Are blacks "political chumps" for supporting Democrats

[PainefulTruth]

Martin Luther King was an advocate of Reparations, the quotes I posted were his quotes. I think that the only "ideals" of Martin Luther King that you are familiar with, comes from one paragraph in one speech (I Have a Dream).

It is his seminal work held up by blacks and whites alike. And there's two forms of reparations: compensation for recent wrongs, or for slavery. If he wanted to take the latter route, he'd have to file reparations for everyone alive for all of history's injustices to all races and groups. With that in mind, I assume, MLK wrote, "No amount of gold could provide an adequate compensation for the exploitation and humiliation of the Negro in America down through the centuries…Yet a price can be placed on unpaid wages."

Over the decades since, reparations has come to mean the former, no matter how impossible to achieve. And certainly an argument can be made that the War on Poverty with all the other evermore expensive, but mostly ineffective, programs would fill the square associated with the latter definition.

All that said, did he not mean it when he said, "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

It's almost become a cliche it through over use, but cliches are, as this is, usually founded in Truth. That one sentence damns the character of today's liberal black leaders with their own racism.

 

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Martin Luther King was an advocate of Reparations, the quotes I posted were his quotes. I think that the only "ideals" of Martin Luther King that you are familiar with, comes from one paragraph in one speech (I Have a Dream).

It is his seminal work held up by blacks and whites alike. And there's two forms of reparations: compensation for recent wrongs, or for slavery. If he wanted to take the latter route, he'd have to file reparations for everyone alive for all of history's injustices to all races and groups. With that in mind, I assume, MLK wrote, "No amount of gold could provide an adequate compensation for the exploitation and humiliation of the Negro in America down through the centuries…Yet a price can be placed on unpaid wages."

Over the decades since, reparations has come to mean the former, no matter how impossible to achieve. And certainly an argument can be made that the War on Poverty with all the other evermore expensive, but mostly ineffective, programs would fill the square associated with the latter definition.

All that said, did he not mean it when he said, "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

It's almost become a cliche it through over use, but cliches are, as this is, usually founded in Truth. That one sentence damns the character of today's liberal black leaders with their own racism.

He said JUDGED by their skin nothing else nothing more.

 

[Pheonixops]

Martin Luther King was an advocate of Reparations, the quotes I posted were his quotes. I think that the only "ideals" of Martin Luther King that you are familiar with, comes from one paragraph in one speech (I Have a Dream).

It is his seminal work held up by blacks and whites alike. And there's two forms of reparations: compensation for recent wrongs, or for slavery. If he wanted to take the latter route, he'd have to file reparations for everyone alive for all of history's injustices to all races and groups. With that in mind, I assume, MLK wrote, "No amount of gold could provide an adequate compensation for the exploitation and humiliation of the Negro in America down through the centuries…Yet a price can be placed on unpaid wages."

Over the decades since, reparations has come to mean the former, no matter how impossible to achieve. And certainly an argument can be made that the War on Poverty with all the other evermore expensive, but mostly ineffective, programs would fill the square associated with the latter definition.

All that said, did he not mean it when he said, "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

It's almost become a cliche it through over use, but cliches are, as this is, usually founded in Truth. That one sentence damns the character of today's liberal black leaders with their own racism.

No it wouldn't, he wanted a program in the form of reparations that was SPECIFICALLY for Black people.
"This law should be made to apply for American Negroes. The payment should be in the form of a massive program by the government of special, compensatory measures which could be regarded as a settlement in accordance with the accepted practice of common law. "

 

[PainefulTruth]

He said JUDGED by their skin nothing else nothing more.

No, they should not be judged by the color of their skin, i.e. not pre-judged.

Martin Luther King was an advocate of Reparations, the quotes I posted were his quotes. I think that the only "ideals" of Martin Luther King that you are familiar with, comes from one paragraph in one speech (I Have a Dream).

It is his seminal work held up by blacks and whites alike. And there's two forms of reparations: compensation for recent wrongs, or for slavery. If he wanted to take the latter route, he'd have to file reparations for everyone alive for all of history's injustices to all races and groups. With that in mind, I assume, MLK wrote, "No amount of gold could provide an adequate compensation for the exploitation and humiliation of the Negro in America down through the centuries…Yet a price can be placed on unpaid wages."

Over the decades since, reparations has come to mean the former, no matter how impossible to achieve. And certainly an argument can be made that the War on Poverty with all the other evermore expensive, but mostly ineffective, programs would fill the square associated with the latter definition.

All that said, did he not mean it when he said, "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

It's almost become a cliche it through over use, but cliches are, as this is, usually founded in Truth. That one sentence damns the character of today's liberal black leaders with their own racism.

No it wouldn't, he wanted a program in the form of reparations that was SPECIFICALLY for Black people.

"This law should be made to apply for American Negroes. The payment should be in the form of a massive program by the government of special, compensatory measures which could be regarded as a settlement in accordance with the accepted practice of common law. "

Yes, but not going back for generations or even thousands of years. And one other thing, MLK was a great man, but he wasn't perfect, which means everything he said would not have been inerrant. Equal protection under the law is the overriding mandate no matter who's talking. I merely point to him because for the most part he was right. But after his assassination (probably at the behest of Johnson and Hoover), much of what he said was undermined by the Democrats and his own people, particularly his non violent policies. He knew that non-violence works only in a relatively civilized society like the US, not something like Nazi Germany, Red China or the Stalinist USSR. But his successors were more interested in hegemony rather than racial accord.

 

[House]

Anybody that forms their opinions off of soundbites from talking heads are chumps, regardless of color.

That explains the last 4 elections in one sentence.

 

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Yes when he said judged I assume he meant pre and post

 

[Pheonixops]

He said JUDGED by their skin nothing else nothing more.

No, they should not be judged by the color of their skin, i.e. not pre-judged.

It is his seminal work held up by blacks and whites alike. And there's two forms of reparations: compensation for recent wrongs, or for slavery. If he wanted to take the latter route, he'd have to file reparations for everyone alive for all of history's injustices to all races and groups. With that in mind, I assume, MLK wrote, "No amount of gold could provide an adequate compensation for the exploitation and humiliation of the Negro in America down through the centuries…Yet a price can be placed on unpaid wages."

Over the decades since, reparations has come to mean the former, no matter how impossible to achieve. And certainly an argument can be made that the War on Poverty with all the other evermore expensive, but mostly ineffective, programs would fill the square associated with the latter definition.

All that said, did he not mean it when he said, "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

It's almost become a cliche it through over use, but cliches are, as this is, usually founded in Truth. That one sentence damns the character of today's liberal black leaders with their own racism.

No it wouldn't, he wanted a program in the form of reparations that was SPECIFICALLY for Black people.

"This law should be made to apply for American Negroes. The payment should be in the form of a massive program by the government of special, compensatory measures which could be regarded as a settlement in accordance with the accepted practice of common law. "

Yes, but not going back for generations or even thousands of years. And one other thing, MLK was a great man, but he wasn't perfect, which means everything he said would not have been inerrant. Equal protection under the law is the overriding mandate no matter who's talking. I merely point to him because for the most part he was right. But after his assassination (probably at the behest of Johnson and Hoover), much of what he said was undermined by the Democrats and his own people, particularly his non violent policies. He knew that non-violence works only in a relatively civilized society like the US, not something like Nazi Germany, Red China or the Stalinist USSR. But his successors were more interested in hegemony rather than racial accord.

Thanks for your reply. He was certainly talking about going "back for generations" when he stated this; ""A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for him, to equip him to compete on a just and equal basis." and this; "No amount of gold could provide an adequate compensation for the exploitation and humiliation of the Negro in America down through the centuries…Yet a price can be placed on unpaid wages. The ancient common law has always provided a remedy for the appropriation of a the labor of one human being by another. ".

He also said this; "There must be a better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a Democratic Socialism.

King called for "totally restructuring the system" in a way that was not capitalist or "the antithesis of communist.". Does that sound familiar, like say 2008? The conservative/republican "admirers" of MLK Jr. freaked out when Obama said similar things. Oh well..............


How has "much of what he said" been "undermined by the Democrats and his own people"? Please provide examples besides the one paragraph from his ONE speech that conservative/republicans try to use to incorrectly "define" MLK Jr's beliefs.

I would also like some examples of this alleged "hegemony" by his "successors" (whoever you think they are). Which example of "hegemony" are you accusing his succesors of practicing?

"Full Definition of HEGEMONY
1
: preponderant influence or authority over others : domination <battled for hegemony in Asia>
2
: the social, cultural, ideological, or economic influence exerted by a dominant group
— heg·e·mon·ic adjective
See hegemony defined for English-language learners »
Examples of HEGEMONY

They discussed the national government's hegemony over their tribal community.
<European intellectuals have long debated the consequences of the hegemony of American popular culture around the world.>"

 

[PainefulTruth]

He also said this; "There must be a better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a Democratic Socialism.

King called for "totally restructuring the system" in a way that was not capitalist or "the antithesis of communist.". Does that sound familiar, like say 2008? The conservative/republican "admirers" of MLK Jr. freaked out when Obama said similar things. Oh well..............

What can I say, if he said that in a context that backed it up, he's totally wrong.

How has "much of what he said" been "undermined by the Democrats and his own people"? Please provide examples besides the one paragraph from his ONE speech that conservative/republicans try to use to incorrectly "define" MLK Jr's beliefs.

How does it incorrectly define his beliefs? I know his pursuit of color-blindness throws a monkey wrench in any socialist programs he may or may not have wanted. If he did, they contradict that policy for him as much as for his successors. If you succeed in undermining that "paragraph" you undermine his whole agenda, and the possibility of any racial harmony in his name or authority. You can't have it both ways. Do you really want to be judged by the color of your skin?

I would also like some examples of this alleged "hegemony" by his "successors" (whoever you think they are). Which example of "hegemony" are you accusing his succesors of practicing?

"Full Definition of HEGEMONY
1
: preponderant influence or authority over others

: the social, cultural, ideological, or economic influence exerted by a dominant group

Jackson and Sharpton were among the first to herd black support toward the Democrats, in spite of the fact they knew Johnson for the racist he always was, and that he was almost certainly behind MLK's assassination who was killed just 4 days after Johnson announced his intention not to seek reelection--Johnson, whose only purpose in life from the time he was a child, was the lust for and exercise of power, and whose hatred for King and the Kennedys was well known.

The body language in this photo needs no interpretation:

 

[Pheonixops]

He also said this; "There must be a better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a Democratic Socialism.

King called for "totally restructuring the system" in a way that was not capitalist or "the antithesis of communist.". Does that sound familiar, like say 2008? The conservative/republican "admirers" of MLK Jr. freaked out when Obama said similar things. Oh well..............

What can I say, if he said that in a context that backed it up, he's totally wrong.

How has "much of what he said" been "undermined by the Democrats and his own people"? Please provide examples besides the one paragraph from his ONE speech that conservative/republicans try to use to incorrectly "define" MLK Jr's beliefs.

How does it incorrectly define his beliefs? I know his pursuit of color-blindness throws a monkey wrench in any socialist programs he may or may not have wanted. If he did, they contradict that policy for him as much as for his successors. If you succeed in undermining that "paragraph" you undermine his whole agenda, and the possibility of any racial harmony in his name or authority. You can't have it both ways. Do you really want to be judged by the color of your skin?

I would also like some examples of this alleged "hegemony" by his "successors" (whoever you think they are). Which example of "hegemony" are you accusing his succesors of practicing?

"Full Definition of HEGEMONY
1
: preponderant influence or authority over others

: the social, cultural, ideological, or economic influence exerted by a dominant group

Jackson and Sharpton were among the first to herd black support toward the Democrats, in spite of the fact they knew Johnson for the racist he always was, and that he was almost certainly behind MLK's assassination who was killed just 4 days after Johnson announced his intention not to seek reelection--Johnson, whose only purpose in life from the time he was a child, was the lust for and exercise of power, and whose hatred for King and the Kennedys was well known.

The body language in this photo needs no interpretation:

Then you probably disagree with most of his agenda.

The way I think it's "incorrect" is that some people try to use that to parse his message and manipulate it to fit their agenda, especially when they are referring to Affirmative Action; one of the core things that Martin Luther King Jr. advocated. That's the joke of it all.

Al Sharpton was 9 years old when LBJ became President, I doubt if he did any "herding" any of "the Blacks" towards LBJ. I think that your use of "herding" seems like you don't think that Black people can think for themselves. How many Black people does Jackson have in his organization? What percent of the Black population does that number represent? There are plenty of good reasons that Black people don't vote for republicans and conservatives.

Yes, a picture can speak a thousand words, but these words and actions below speak more than that picture you posted:

"Our enemies may occasionally seize the day of change, but it is the banner of our revolution they take. And our own future is linked to this process of swift and turbulent change in many lands in the world. But nothing in any country touches us more profoundly, and nothing is more freighted with meaning for our own destiny than the revolution of the Negro American.

In far too many ways American Negroes have been another nation: deprived of freedom, crippled by hatred, the doors of opportunity closed to hope.

In our time change has come to this Nation, too. The American Negro, acting with impressive restraint, has peacefully protested and marched, entered the courtrooms and the seats of government, demanding a justice that has long been denied. The voice of the Negro was the call to action. But it is a tribute to America that, once aroused, the courts and the Congress, the President and most of the people, have been the allies of progress.

LEGAL PROTECTION FOR HUMAN RIGHTS

Thus we have seen the high court of the country declare that discrimination based on race was repugnant to the Constitution, and therefore void. We have seen in 1957, and 1960, and again in 1964, the first civil rights legislation in this Nation in almost an entire century."

"As majority leader of the United States Senate, I helped to guide two of these bills through the Senate. And, as your President, I was proud to sign the third. And now very soon we will have the fourth--a new law guaranteeing every American the right to vote.

No act of my entire administration will give me greater satisfaction than the day when my signature makes this bill, too, the law of this land."

"But freedom is not enough. You do not wipe away the scars of centuries by saying: Now you are free to go where you want, and do as you desire, and choose the leaders you please.

You do not take a person who, for years, has been hobbled by chains and liberate him, bring him up to the starting line of a race and then say, "you are free to compete with all the others," and still justly believe that you have been completely fair.

Thus it is not enough just to open the gates of opportunity. All our citizens must have the ability to walk through those gates."

"This graduating class at Howard University is witness to the indomitable determination of the Negro American to win his way in American life."
President Lyndon B. Johnson's Commencement Address at Howard University: "To Fulfill These Rights" June 4, 1965

Just like that one paragraph from the "I Have a Dream" speech that conservative republicans use to try to knock Affirmative Action, you used that picture in the same manner.

 

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Painful doesnt even understand how his portrayal of blacks is offensive

 

[LeftofLeft]

Blacks need to hold Democrats accountable.....what are the results?

 

[Pheonixops]

Blacks need to hold Democrats accountable.....what are the results?

What should "the Blacks" hold Democrats accountable for, and why should "the Blacks" hold Democratsaccountable for it?

 

[PainefulTruth]

"This graduating class at Howard University is witness to the indomitable determination of the Negro American to win his way in American life."

Do you actually think he meant that? I've already posted "the next 200 years" quote. I doubt putting it up again will do any good. I could go on, way, way on. He was the most corrupt politician we've ever had in national office, period, including Obama--so far. He was psychotic, what we call today bi-polar, if we're to be generous.

In 1969, Sharpton was appointed by Jesse Jackson as youth director of Operation Breadbasket. What do you think he'd been doing up til then, or after that, beholdin' to Jackson.

The term affirmative action wasn't even used until after he was killed. And he wasn't for reverse discrimination or quotas, merely equal opportunity. I was for those programs back then, but the idea that they would go on for 50 years with no end in sight would have been appalling. Like there's no such thing as bad liberal programs, they just need more money.

 

[Pheonixops]

"This graduating class at Howard University is witness to the indomitable determination of the Negro American to win his way in American life."

Do you actually think he meant that? I've already posted "the next 200 years" quote. I doubt putting it up again will do any good. I could go on, way, way on. He was the most corrupt politician we've ever had in national office, period, including Obama--so far. He was psychotic, what we call today bi-polar, if we're to be generous.

In 1969, Sharpton was appointed by Jesse Jackson as youth director of Operation Breadbasket. What do you think he'd been doing up til then, or after that, beholdin' to Jackson.

The term affirmative action wasn't even used until after he was killed. And he wasn't for reverse discrimination or quotas, merely equal opportunity. I was for those programs back then, but the idea that they would go on for 50 years with no end in sight would have been appalling. Like there's no such thing as bad liberal programs, they just need more money.

If he (LBJ) didn't mean it, his actions reflected it. Where's the citation from that "200 years quote", one person? Please do go "on,way,way, on" with more.

LOL, in 1969 Sharpton was 15 years old, Operation Bread Basket was started by MLK Jr. (SCLC).

Maybe you misread the context and time frame I was referring to Affirmative Action. Simply stated; conservatives and republicans today use MLK Jr's phrase from the "I Have a Dream" speech to go against Affirmative Action, a concept MLK Jr. was definitely a proponent of. You are incorrect; MLK Jr. was definitely in favor of racial hiring quotas. "“If a city has a 30% Negro population, then it is logical to assume that Negroes should have at least 30% of the jobs in any particular company, and jobs in all categories rather than only in menial areas.” King was more than just talk in this regard. Working through his Operation Breadbasket, King threatened boycotts of businesses that did not hire blacks in proportion to their population."


Regarding LBJ, here's why I really think that "200 years" quote is akin to what you guys do with MLK's one quote:
"Johnson was greatly supported by the Democratic Party and as President, he was responsible for designing the "Great Society" legislation that included laws that upheld civil rights, public broadcasting, Medicare, Medicaid, environmental protection, aid to education, aid to the arts, urban and rural development, and his "War on Poverty." "

"Civil rights bills signed by Johnson banned racial discrimination in public facilities, interstate commerce, the workplace, and housing, and a powerful voting rights act guaranteed full voting rights for citizens of all races."

"In conjunction with the Civil Rights Movement, Johnson overcame southern resistance and convinced the Democratic-Controlled Congress to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which outlawed most forms of racial segregation."

"Johnson took the initiative in finishing what Kennedy started and broke a filibuster by Southern Democrats in March 1964; as a result, this pushed the bill for passage in the Senate"

"In 1965, he achieved passage of a second civil rights bill, the Voting Rights Act, which outlawed discrimination in voting, thus allowing millions of southern blacks to vote for the first time."

"After the murder of civil rights worker Viola Liuzzo, Johnson went on television to announce the arrest of four Ku Klux Klansmen implicated in her death. He angrily denounced the Klan as a "hooded society of bigots," and warned them to "return to a decent society before it's too late." Johnson was the first President to arrest and prosecute members of the Klan since Ulysses S. Grant about 93 years earlier"

"In 1967, Johnson nominated civil rights attorney Thurgood Marshall to be the first African American Associate Justice of the Supreme Court. To head the new Department of Housing and Urban Development, Johnson appointed Robert C. Weaver—the first African-American cabinet secretary in any U.S. presidential administration."

"In 1968 Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1968, which provided for equal housing opportunities regardless of race, creed, or national origin."

"On April 5, Johnson wrote a letter to the United States House of Representatives urging passage of the Fair Housing Act"

"Johnson signed the Immigration Act of 1965,[72] which substantially changed U.S. immigration policy toward non-Europeans.[73] According to OECD, "While European-born immigrants accounted for nearly 60% of the total foreign-born population in 1970, they accounted for only 15% in 2000."


Now, what were the conservative republicans who allegedly "love" and "care" for "the Blacks" doing when the above was happening? What were the likes of the modern conservative movement doing when the above was happening, did they support it or OPPOSE it?

"Reagan did not support federal initiatives to provide blacks with civil rights.[34] He opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964[35] and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson"

"He (Reagan) also said (while campaigning in Georgia) that Confederate President Jefferson Davis was "a hero of mine."[40] However, Reagan was offended that some accused him of racism.[40] In 1980 Reagan said the Voting Rights Act was "humiliating to the South,""

"At first Reagan opposed the Martin Luther King holiday, and signed it only after an overwhelming veto-proof majority (338 to 90 in the House of Representatives and 78 to 22 in the Senate) voted in favor of it.[47] Congress overrode Reagan's veto of the Civil Rights Restoration Act of 1988."

"Early in his political career Reagan opposed every major piece of civil rights legislation adopted by Congress, including the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and the Fair Housing Act of 1968."

 

[PainefulTruth]

If he (LBJ) didn't mean it, his actions reflected it. Where's the citation from that "200 years quote", one person? Please do go "on,way,way, on" with more.

LOL, in 1969 Sharpton was 15 years old, Operation Bread Basket was started by MLK Jr. (SCLC).

Not that a prodigy can't become corrupt, but check the references to Al Sharpton in his Wiki article.

The 200 years quote (of which there are a lot more and a lot of his history as congressman, senator, VP and President that were and remain swept under the rug-- though they're gradually coming to the light of day over the last 10-20 years) is from Inside the White House, p. 33, by Ronald Kessler, a liberal journalist who wrote for the Washington Post and Wall Street Journal. The source is Robert MacMillan, a steward on Air Force One. Kessler also wrote In the President's Secret Service, which has a lot more and is based largely on Secret Service Sources.

Regarding LBJ, here's why I really think that "200 years" quote is akin to what you guys do with MLK's one quote:
"Johnson was greatly supported by the Democratic Party and as President, he was responsible for designing the "Great Society" legislation that included laws that upheld civil rights, public broadcasting, Medicare, Medicaid, environmental protection, aid to education, aid to the arts, urban and rural development, and his "War on Poverty." "

Those are all socialist, government programs that only have an emotional connection to civil rights. And if you think different, or that Johnson wasn't still a rabid racist, you need to look deeper. It's everywhere.

"Civil rights bills signed by Johnson banned racial discrimination in public facilities, interstate commerce, the workplace, and housing, and a powerful voting rights act guaranteed full voting rights for citizens of all races."

The Civil Rights Act had greater Republican support and than Democrat support in Congress:

The (final) Senate version:[19]

Democratic Party: 46&#8211;21 (69&#8211;31%)
Republican Party: 27&#8211;6 (82&#8211;18%)

The (final) Senate version, voted on by the House:[19]

Democratic Party: 153&#8211;91 (63&#8211;37%)
Republican Party: 136&#8211;35 (80&#8211;20%)

Notable opponents, Barry Goldwater (R), J. William Fullbright (D) (mentor to Bill Clinton), and Al Gore Sr. (D). BTW, Ronald Reagan was a Democrat until 1963, and his transition, policy-wise, wasn't as sudden would be desired.

"In conjunction with the Civil Rights Movement, Johnson overcame southern resistance and convinced the Democratic-Controlled Congress to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which outlawed most forms of racial segregation."

Google Johnson's meeting with George Wallace in 1965 where the "n" word flowed like water. It was all part of his 200 year plan.

"Johnson took the initiative in finishing what Kennedy started and broke a filibuster by Southern Democrats in March 1964; as a result, this pushed the bill for passage in the Senate"

True, though he obstructed it as much as possible while he was VP. It's notable that the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts were passed before his (re-)election. While he didn't start his Great Society and War on Poverty until afterward.

"After the murder of civil rights worker Viola Liuzzo, Johnson went on television to announce the arrest of four Ku Klux Klansmen implicated in her death. He angrily denounced the Klan as a "hooded society of bigots," and warned them to "return to a decent society before it's too late." Johnson was the first President to arrest and prosecute members of the Klan since Ulysses S. Grant about 93 years earlier"

That was the DOJ under Robert Kennedy. BTW, JFK said to Bobby, "Can you think of anything more deplorable than (Johnson) trying to run the United States".

"In 1967, Johnson nominated civil rights attorney Thurgood Marshall to be the first African American Associate Justice of the Supreme Court. ."

Yes, and again with Republican support. Then there was the disgusting travesty of the way they turned the confirmation of Clarance Thomas into a sham.

"On April 5, Johnson wrote a letter to the United States House of Representatives urging passage of the Fair Housing Act"

And we see where "fair" housing ended up in 2007. "Fair" is the most misused, PC term by liberals.

And, about you sig comment, "Early liberals also laid the groundwork for the separation of church and state."

I was a small activist for desegregation at the U. of GA. in 1962, who with a few other whites befriended the first black male to live on campus in the dorm. We were then liberals under the old, non-socialist, definition, though I was very economically ignorant. We were for equal rights for all and for absolute separation of church and state. I am still committed to both of those "liberal" ideals. But the war, and Johnson's corruption (of which we had no knowledge at the time) derailed both of those goals. I even supported Johnson and some of his programs, and it can be argued that they were needed at the time--but not after 50 years.

 

[rdean]

You wish it was Democrats controlling blacks.
But we all know blacks are an important part of the coalition that makes up the Democratic Party. This is why the GOP, a party that is 90% white can't attract blacks to their party. And you can bet that 100% of those whites voted against Obama.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

He said JUDGED by their skin nothing else nothing more.

No, they should not be judged by the color of their skin, i.e. not pre-judged.

It is his seminal work held up by blacks and whites alike. And there's two forms of reparations: compensation for recent wrongs, or for slavery. If he wanted to take the latter route, he'd have to file reparations for everyone alive for all of history's injustices to all races and groups. With that in mind, I assume, MLK wrote, "No amount of gold could provide an adequate compensation for the exploitation and humiliation of the Negro in America down through the centuries&#8230;Yet a price can be placed on unpaid wages."

Over the decades since, reparations has come to mean the former, no matter how impossible to achieve. And certainly an argument can be made that the War on Poverty with all the other evermore expensive, but mostly ineffective, programs would fill the square associated with the latter definition.

All that said, did he not mean it when he said, "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

It's almost become a cliche it through over use, but cliches are, as this is, usually founded in Truth. That one sentence damns the character of today's liberal black leaders with their own racism.

No it wouldn't, he wanted a program in the form of reparations that was SPECIFICALLY for Black people.

"This law should be made to apply for American Negroes. The payment should be in the form of a massive program by the government of special, compensatory measures which could be regarded as a settlement in accordance with the accepted practice of common law. "

Yes, but not going back for generations or even thousands of years. And one other thing, MLK was a great man, but he wasn't perfect, which means everything he said would not have been inerrant. Equal protection under the law is the overriding mandate no matter who's talking. I merely point to him because for the most part he was right. But after his assassination (probably at the behest of Johnson and Hoover), much of what he said was undermined by the Democrats and his own people, particularly his non violent policies. He knew that non-violence works only in a relatively civilized society like the US, not something like Nazi Germany, Red China or the Stalinist USSR. But his successors were more interested in hegemony rather than racial accord.

It's fairly obvious that LBJ assassinated both MLK and Malcolm X, neither of whom were a big fan of LBJ or Democrats

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You wish it was Democrats controlling blacks.
But we all know blacks are an important part of the coalition that makes up the Democratic Party. This is why the GOP, a party that is 90% white can't attract blacks to their party. And you can bet that 100% of those whites voted against Obama.

Go play with your new Lego set, the grown ups are having a conversation

 

[Pheonixops]

If he (LBJ) didn't mean it, his actions reflected it. Where's the citation from that "200 years quote", one person? Please do go "on,way,way, on" with more.

LOL, in 1969 Sharpton was 15 years old, Operation Bread Basket was started by MLK Jr. (SCLC).

Not that a prodigy can't become corrupt, but check the references to Al Sharpton in his Wiki article.

The 200 years quote (of which there are a lot more and a lot of his history as congressman, senator, VP and President that were and remain swept under the rug-- though they're gradually coming to the light of day over the last 10-20 years) is from Inside the White House, p. 33, by Ronald Kessler, a liberal journalist who wrote for the Washington Post and Wall Street Journal. The source is Robert MacMillan, a steward on Air Force One. Kessler also wrote In the President's Secret Service, which has a lot more and is based largely on Secret Service Sources.

Regarding LBJ, here's why I really think that "200 years" quote is akin to what you guys do with MLK's one quote:
"Johnson was greatly supported by the Democratic Party and as President, he was responsible for designing the "Great Society" legislation that included laws that upheld civil rights, public broadcasting, Medicare, Medicaid, environmental protection, aid to education, aid to the arts, urban and rural development, and his "War on Poverty." "

Those are all socialist, government programs that only have an emotional connection to civil rights. And if you think different, or that Johnson wasn't still a rabid racist, you need to look deeper. It's everywhere.


The Civil Rights Act had greater Republican support and than Democrat support in Congress:

The (final) Senate version:[19]

Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The (final) Senate version, voted on by the House:[19]

Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)

Notable opponents, Barry Goldwater (R), J. William Fullbright (D) (mentor to Bill Clinton), and Al Gore Sr. (D). BTW, Ronald Reagan was a Democrat until 1963, and his transition, policy-wise, wasn't as sudden would be desired.



Google Johnson's meeting with George Wallace in 1965 where the "n" word flowed like water. It was all part of his 200 year plan.



True, though he obstructed it as much as possible while he was VP. It's notable that the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts were passed before his (re-)election. While he didn't start his Great Society and War on Poverty until afterward.



That was the DOJ under Robert Kennedy. BTW, JFK said to Bobby, "Can you think of anything more deplorable than (Johnson) trying to run the United States".

"In 1967, Johnson nominated civil rights attorney Thurgood Marshall to be the first African American Associate Justice of the Supreme Court. ."

Yes, and again with Republican support. Then there was the disgusting travesty of the way they turned the confirmation of Clarance Thomas into a sham.

"On April 5, Johnson wrote a letter to the United States House of Representatives urging passage of the Fair Housing Act"

And we see where "fair" housing ended up in 2007. "Fair" is the most misused, PC term by liberals.

And, about you sig comment, "Early liberals also laid the groundwork for the separation of church and state."

I was a small activist for desegregation at the U. of GA. in 1962, who with a few other whites befriended the first black male to live on campus in the dorm. We were then liberals under the old, non-socialist, definition, though I was very economically ignorant. We were for equal rights for all and for absolute separation of church and state. I am still committed to both of those "liberal" ideals. But the war, and Johnson's corruption (of which we had no knowledge at the time) derailed both of those goals. I even supported Johnson and some of his programs, and it can be argued that they were needed at the time--but not after 50 years.

That's where I got the information on Sharpton from, once again he was only 14 or 15 when he was appointed as the youth director for MLK's Operation Bread Basket.

Voting rights and desegregation are socialist programs?

Those votes were primarily correspondent by region (North vs South) many of those republicans would be referred to as "establishment" or RINOS today.

Those "notable opponents" to the Civil Rights legislation were CONSERVATIVES regardless of party. Reagan was a fan of Goldwater and sided with him regarding Civil Rights legislation. When he was President he sided against it as well. There's no getting around that, as well as Reagan being the "patron saint" of modern republicans and conservatives. Plain and simple.

"In the days following the assassination, Lyndon B. Johnson made an address to Congress: "No memorial oration or eulogy could more eloquently honor President Kennedy's memory than the earliest possible passage of the Civil Rights Bill for which he fought so long.""

"Johnson took the initiative in finishing what Kennedy started and broke a filibuster by Southern Democrats in March 1964; as a result, this pushed the bill for passage in the Senate.[63] Johnson signed the revised and stronger bill into law on July 2, 1964.[63] Legend has it that, as he put down his pen, Johnson told an aide,Johnson told an aide, "We have lost the South for a generation", anticipating a coming backlash from Southern whites against Johnson's Democratic Party. Moreover, Richard Nixon politically counterattacked with the Southern Strategy where it would "secure" votes for the Republican Party by grabbing the advocates of segregation as well as most of the Southern Democrats."

LOL, you can't blame what happened in 2007 for something that passed almost 40 years before that! What about the Fair Housing Act of 1968 are you blaming the 2007 crisis for?

 

[PainefulTruth]

That's where I got the information on Sharpton from, once again he was only 14 or 15 when he was appointed as the youth director for MLK's Operation Bread Basket.

By Jesse Jackson, after MLK's murder. If 15 is too young, why was he appointed? All the more reason to wonder.

Voting rights and desegregation are socialist programs?

Jesus, howdid you get that from what I've written? Just the opposite.

Those votes were primarily correspondent by region (North vs South) many of those republicans would be referred to as "establishment" or RINOS today.

And the Democrats were Dixicrats. What's your point.

"In the days following the assassination, Lyndon B. Johnson made an address to Congress: "No memorial oration or eulogy could more eloquently honor President Kennedy's memory than the earliest possible passage of the Civil Rights Bill for which he fought so long.""

Are you new to the tow-faced politics of the corrupt?

LOL, you can't blame what happened in 2007 for something that passed almost 40 years before that! What about the Fair Housing Act of 1968 are you blaming the 2007 crisis for?

It was initiated by Johnson, picked up by Carter's "Community Reinvestment Act" (early PC for wealth redistribution) , and brought to its crushing climax under Clinton's "Federal Housing Enterprises Financial Safety and Soundness Act" (God!). But don't believe me. If you're really interested in the Truth, read Reckless Endangerment (2011) by Morgenson & Rosner, two NY Times (yes, that's NY TIMES!) reporters.