'Anti-Zionism Is Anti-Semitic'?

[SAYIT]

Why are we even discussing this stuff? Singling Jews out to be something "other". Separate, different.

Such a great question. Why is there such a thing in the world as a special word for hating one specific group of people? Why did this come about?

The answer can be found in the etymology of the term "anti-Semite." It was coined by a German bigot (Wilhelm Marr) who was in search of a flashy new title for his gang of bigots (The League of Anti-Semites).

Ironically, Marr recognized the baseless bigotry of his ways and published "Testament of an Antisemite" late in life.

Wilhelm Marr - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Mindful]

So now the debate has turned to who is an anti Zionist/Semite/I have friends who are Jews, but........

Bruised sensibilities and all that.

 

[SAYIT]

There is no such thing as a palestinian.

Convenient. I guess they've finally been solved.

According to Zuheir Mohsen - Palestinian leader of the as-Sa'iqa faction of the PLO from 1971 to 1979 - that truth has always been known:

"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."

Interview published in Dutch newspaper, Trouw, 31 March 1977.

 

[Mindful]

It's quite simple really.

When you strip away the emotive and fraudulent rhetoric, it boils down to this.

When we examine our attitude towards Jews, both historically and at present, we realize that it is centered on denying Jews the most fundamental human right, the right without which no other human right is relevant: the right to exist.

It's been that way for centuries. Passed down through the ages.

 

[Mindful]

There is no such thing as a palestinian.

Convenient. I guess they've finally been solved.

According to Zuheir Mohsen - Palestinian leader of the as-Sa'iqa faction of the PLO from 1971 to 1979 - that truth has always been known:

"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."

Interview published in Dutch newspaper, Trouw, 31 March 1977.

Not to forget. During Israel's War of Independence, Jews were ethnically cleansed from Gaza, the West Bank, and East Jerusalem, and in the years that followed, they were ethnically cleansed from the rest of the Arab world.

 

[montelatici]

There is no such thing as a palestinian.

Convenient. I guess they've finally been solved.

According to Zuheir Mohsen - Palestinian leader of the as-Sa'iqa faction of the PLO from 1971 to 1979 - that truth has always been known:

"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."

Interview published in Dutch newspaper, Trouw, 31 March 1977.

Mohsen was a Baathist and of the pro-Syrian wing of the PLO so he promoted pan-Arabism. What does that have to do with the existence of the Palestinian people? The British Colonial Office communicated with the Palestinian people in 1922 when there were no Israelis, just Zionists. The Israelis, Zionists from Europe, are an invented people.

"PALESTINE.

CORRESPONDENCE
WITH THE
PALESTINE ARAB DELEGATION
AND THE
ZIONIST ORGANISATION.

Presented to Parliament by Command of His Majesty.
JUNE, 1922.
LONDON:



No. 1.
The Palestine Arab Delegation to the Secretary of State for the Colonies.


HOTEL CECIL,
London, W.C.,
February 21st, 1922.
Sir,

Whilst the position in Palestine is, as it stands to-day, with the British Government holding authority by an occupying force, and using that authority to impose upon the people against their wishes a great immigration of alien Jews, many of them of a Bolshevik revolutionary type, no constitution which would fall short of giving the People of Palestine full control of their own affairs could be acceptable.

If the British Government would revise their present policy in Palestine, end the Zionist con-dominium, put a stop to all alien immigration and grant the People of Palestine — who by Right and Experience are the best judges of what is good and bad to their country — Executive and Legislative powers, the terms of a constitution could be discussed in a different atmosphere. If to-day the People of Palestine assented to any constitution which fell short of giving them full control of their own affairs they would be in the position of agreeing to an instrument of Government which might, and probably would, be used to smother their national life under a flood of alien immigration............"

UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization/British policy in Palestine: "Churchill White Paper" - UK documentation Cmd. 1700/Non-UN document (excerpts) (1 July 1922)

 

[Roudy]

An interesting article...

I think the title is 'wrong' however...

I just don't buy into the 'zionist' belief that any word said against the Israeli government and policies is 'anti-semitic'...

If I were to make a negative comment about the South African government, for example, that would not make me a racist...

5 Intellectuals Smash the Anti-Zionism Is Anti-Semitic Argument

So what? A bunch of idiots who have made a career out of bashing Israel. I can give you a list of 1000 more reputable intellectuals who believe the opposite. Including Martin Luther King Jr. Who said "when people say anti-Zionism they're talking antisemtism".

You guys intentionally ignore and demonize what Zionsim means.

 

[Roudy]

There is no such thing as a palestinian.

Convenient. I guess they've finally been solved.

According to Zuheir Mohsen - Palestinian leader of the as-Sa'iqa faction of the PLO from 1971 to 1979 - that truth has always been known:

"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."

Interview published in Dutch newspaper, Trouw, 31 March 1977.

Mohsen was a Baathist and of the pro-Syrian wing of the PLO so he promoted pan-Arabism. What does that have to do with the existence of the Palestinian people? The British Colonial Office communicated with the Palestinian people in 1922 when there were no Israelis, just Zionists. The Israelis, Zionists from Europe, are an invented people.

"PALESTINE.

CORRESPONDENCE
WITH THE
PALESTINE ARAB DELEGATION
AND THE
ZIONIST ORGANISATION.

Presented to Parliament by Command of His Majesty.
JUNE, 1922.
LONDON:



No. 1.
The Palestine Arab Delegation to the Secretary of State for the Colonies.


HOTEL CECIL,
London, W.C.,
February 21st, 1922.
Sir,

Whilst the position in Palestine is, as it stands to-day, with the British Government holding authority by an occupying force, and using that authority to impose upon the people against their wishes a great immigration of alien Jews, many of them of a Bolshevik revolutionary type, no constitution which would fall short of giving the People of Palestine full control of their own affairs could be acceptable.

If the British Government would revise their present policy in Palestine, end the Zionist con-dominium, put a stop to all alien immigration and grant the People of Palestine — who by Right and Experience are the best judges of what is good and bad to their country — Executive and Legislative powers, the terms of a constitution could be discussed in a different atmosphere. If to-day the People of Palestine assented to any constitution which fell short of giving them full control of their own affairs they would be in the position of agreeing to an instrument of Government which might, and probably would, be used to smother their national life under a flood of alien immigration............"

UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization/British policy in Palestine: "Churchill White Paper" - UK documentation Cmd. 1700/Non-UN document (excerpts) (1 July 1922)

Oh my, this is about the ten thousandth time he's posted that document, no?

Again, the same document states that Palestinian well actually Arab sovereignty over the land is a "relatively new thing".

 

[Roudy]

An interesting article...

I think the title is 'wrong' however...

I just don't buy into the 'zionist' belief that any word said against the Israeli government and policies is 'anti-semitic'...

If I were to make a negative comment about the South African government, for example, that would not make me a racist...

5 Intellectuals Smash the Anti-Zionism Is Anti-Semitic Argument

Anti-Israeli government is not the same as anti-Semitism. Two different things. It's like saying if you are against the US government, you hate all Americans.

"Anti Israel govt" is not anti Zionism, you ignoramus.

 

[Mindful]

In May 1948, the Jordanian Arab Legion kicked out all of the approximately 2000 Jews who lived in the Old City of Jerusalem. Then it turned the Jewish Quarter into rubble. Gatestone's Fred Maroun asks a simple question: what is the Arabs' real grievance against Jews? Here's the politically incorrect, yet historically accurate, answer:

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7953/arabs-jews

 

[Roudy]

Of course it is, Zionism is the basic belief in native rights. That indigenous people shouldn't be forcefully removed from their native homeland.

Anti Zionist is clearly anti Israeli and anti Judaic, since todays Israeli's are the same native people that countless Arab Muslim pogroms attempted to eradicate from the Judaic homeland.

Your racism is once again glaringly apparent

Oh the stupid flag troll returns...

Of course it is IF you are a blind zionut...

Correct the indigenous people should not be forced to leave their land by Europeans, common sense, unfortunately something you are lacking!

Criticizing Israel is NOT anti-zionist, is NOT anti-semitic...

I'm not a racist, and racism has NOTHING to do with Jews you schuck...

Jeez, open your eyes, smell the coffee and see if you can try and hold a sensible debate...

Oh, and you might want to check out this link... Is a 'good'(?) video, the guy is slightly 'confused' but makes some good points... Go on, give it a go, try and educate yourself!

The difference between anti-Zionism and criticism of Israel

Who said criticizing Israel is being anti Semetic? AntiZionism on the other hand is indeed being antisemetic. Antizionism is being existence the existence of a Jewish state in Israel, the religious, spiritual, and cultural homeland of the Jews.

 

[Mindful]

An interesting article...

I think the title is 'wrong' however...

I just don't buy into the 'zionist' belief that any word said against the Israeli government and policies is 'anti-semitic'...

If I were to make a negative comment about the South African government, for example, that would not make me a racist...

5 Intellectuals Smash the Anti-Zionism Is Anti-Semitic Argument

Anti-Israeli government is not the same as anti-Semitism. Two different things. It's like saying if you are against the US government, you hate all Americans.

"Anti Israel govt" is not anti Zionism, you ignoramus.

The thing is, I've never heard any criticism of Israel, other than related to the Palestinians. Not in the way other "normal" countries are criticised.

It's an abnormal obsession, the justifications meandering into the land of myths.

 

[Mindful]

Of course it is, Zionism is the basic belief in native rights. That indigenous people shouldn't be forcefully removed from their native homeland.

Anti Zionist is clearly anti Israeli and anti Judaic, since todays Israeli's are the same native people that countless Arab Muslim pogroms attempted to eradicate from the Judaic homeland.

Your racism is once again glaringly apparent

Oh the stupid flag troll returns...

Of course it is IF you are a blind zionut...

Correct the indigenous people should not be forced to leave their land by Europeans, common sense, unfortunately something you are lacking!

Criticizing Israel is NOT anti-zionist, is NOT anti-semitic...

I'm not a racist, and racism has NOTHING to do with Jews you schuck...

Jeez, open your eyes, smell the coffee and see if you can try and hold a sensible debate...

Oh, and you might want to check out this link... Is a 'good'(?) video, the guy is slightly 'confused' but makes some good points... Go on, give it a go, try and educate yourself!

The difference between anti-Zionism and criticism of Israel

Who said criticizing Israel is being anti Semetic? AntiZionism on the other hand is indeed being antisemetic. Antizionism is being existence the existence of a Jewish state in Israel, the religious, spiritual, and cultural homeland of the Jews.

Half of them wouldn't even know the first thing about Israel to be able to criticise it.

 

[Roudy]

Zionism is no more and no less than the will of the Jewish people for a national self-determination.

Yeah? Like the Catholic people have the Vatican?

Yeah, like Saudi Arabia and dozens of Arab / Muslim nations who call themselves Islamic, most of which were carved out of the fallen Ottoman Empire.

 

[Roudy]

An interesting article...

I think the title is 'wrong' however...

I just don't buy into the 'zionist' belief that any word said against the Israeli government and policies is 'anti-semitic'...

If I were to make a negative comment about the South African government, for example, that would not make me a racist...

5 Intellectuals Smash the Anti-Zionism Is Anti-Semitic Argument

Guy looks like a divooneh insane.

 

[Roudy]

There is no such thing as a palestinian.

Convenient. I guess they've finally been solved.

According to Zuheir Mohsen - Palestinian leader of the as-Sa'iqa faction of the PLO from 1971 to 1979 - that truth has always been known:

"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."

Interview published in Dutch newspaper, Trouw, 31 March 1977.

Mohsen was a Baathist and of the pro-Syrian wing of the PLO so he promoted pan-Arabism. What does that have to do with the existence of the Palestinian people? The British Colonial Office communicated with the Palestinian people in 1922 when there were no Israelis, just Zionists. The Israelis, Zionists from Europe, are an invented people.

"PALESTINE.

CORRESPONDENCE
WITH THE
PALESTINE ARAB DELEGATION
AND THE
ZIONIST ORGANISATION.

Presented to Parliament by Command of His Majesty.
JUNE, 1922.
LONDON:



No. 1.
The Palestine Arab Delegation to the Secretary of State for the Colonies.


HOTEL CECIL,
London, W.C.,
February 21st, 1922.
Sir,

Whilst the position in Palestine is, as it stands to-day, with the British Government holding authority by an occupying force, and using that authority to impose upon the people against their wishes a great immigration of alien Jews, many of them of a Bolshevik revolutionary type, no constitution which would fall short of giving the People of Palestine full control of their own affairs could be acceptable.

If the British Government would revise their present policy in Palestine, end the Zionist con-dominium, put a stop to all alien immigration and grant the People of Palestine — who by Right and Experience are the best judges of what is good and bad to their country — Executive and Legislative powers, the terms of a constitution could be discussed in a different atmosphere. If to-day the People of Palestine assented to any constitution which fell short of giving them full control of their own affairs they would be in the position of agreeing to an instrument of Government which might, and probably would, be used to smother their national life under a flood of alien immigration............"

UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization/British policy in Palestine: "Churchill White Paper" - UK documentation Cmd. 1700/Non-UN document (excerpts) (1 July 1922)

Once again, the same document that says "a Palestinian sovereignty is relatively new and no basis in history". But post it another 10,000 times if you wish.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

anti-Zionism is the belief that Jews do not deserve the same right to self-determination as any other people.

Has anybody ever noticed how Subhumanity never argues that all the myriad Arab countries should no longer be Arab? No, of course he doesn't, and the reason for this, besides his obvious stupidity and dishonesty, is that he has singled out Jews as the one people in the world upon which he focuses all his frustrations over the fact he doesn't amount to anything in this world.

 

[Coyote]

Let's try to discuss the topic please - is Anti-Zionism Anti-Semitism?

Ethnic cleansing and Palestinian history can be discussed in other threads.

 

[Roudy]

An interesting article...

I think the title is 'wrong' however...

I just don't buy into the 'zionist' belief that any word said against the Israeli government and policies is 'anti-semitic'...

If I were to make a negative comment about the South African government, for example, that would not make me a racist...

5 Intellectuals Smash the Anti-Zionism Is Anti-Semitic Argument

Anti-Israeli government is not the same as anti-Semitism. Two different things. It's like saying if you are against the US government, you hate all Americans.

"Anti Israel govt" is not anti Zionism, you ignoramus.

The thing is, I've never heard any criticism of Israel, other than related to the Palestinians. Not in the way other "normal" countries are criticised.

It's an abnormal obsession, the justifications meandering into the land of myths.

They intentionally lie and deceive, "anti Zionism" is not "criticism of Israel". It is being against the existence of a Jewish state named Israel.

 

[montelatici]

MOD EDIT - please review post #98