Zone1 Another question to ponder

[SweetSue92]

You following God is a desire.

Do you think God is real, but you don't want to follow Him?

 

[SweetSue92]

Thats a very silly statement. Atheism does not require any evidence.

Not believing that rainbow unicorns make ice cream in the 6th dimension does not require evidence. This lack of belief results from the abject lack of evidence.

You have to somehow explain the very presence of, and beginning of, the universe. We know that happened because here we are, thinking about (even more mind-blowing). That's not at all like whatever you spewed out about unicorns.

 

[TNHarley]

There is zero evidence for atheism as well and both are chosen beliefs

Zero evidence for atheism? What?

 

[TNHarley]

This is just an ignorant thing to say. Jesus Christ is a historical figure. The fact that there are 40,000 fakes does not mean one isn't real. Children's jewelry stores sell 40,000 fake jewels. Doesn't mean real diamonds aren't mined.

That went over your head. Or you just refuse to understand.

 

[TNHarley]

Do you think God is real, but you don't want to follow Him?

No i dont think he is real. I dont doubt a supreme creator but I believe if there is one, he wouldn't be a genocidal, jealous psychopath.
Even if he showed himself to me right now, I wouldn't follow him.

 

[SweetSue92]

That went over your head. Or you just refuse to understand.

Is there any historical evidence for the FSM?

Does the existence of 39K fakes prove that one is not real?

Hello....is that over your head?

 

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I bring up legitimate questions and you just cant handle it. Thats why all you do is copy and paste and gaslight me.

You aren't bringing up legitimate questions. You are the king of gaslighting. I'm here to gaslight the gaslighters. You're upset because I'm ruining your fun.

 

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...he wouldn't be a genocidal, jealous psychopath.

This is gaslighting, dipshit. Do you need for me to explain it to you?

 

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You must be woman because a man would rise to the challange but you just keep on babbling nonsense.

That's not going to work on me. I'm not insecure like you are. And turn on your spellchecker.

 

[hadit]

Why did god make a 600 year old man build the ark, instead of just popping one into existence, like he did everything else?
I get its about testing loyalty and obedience and such, or so I have seen explained. But then another question arises.
If god is omniscient, he didnt need to test Noah. He would have already known.

It wasn't a test. It took over 100 years to build, time during which the people were warned what would happen.

 

[Hafar1014]

Zero evidence for atheism? What?

Go ahead and prove there is no God. You can use a null hypothesis or a negative correlation with a coefficient under 35. Put up or shut up

 

[Hafar1014]

This is just an ignorant thing to say. Jesus Christ is a historical figure. The fact that there are 40,000 fakes does not mean one isn't real. Children's jewelry stores sell 40,000 fake jewels. Doesn't mean real diamonds aren't mined.

Jesus is an idol no one knows if he ever existed

 

[Meriweather]

Excuse you...the question in the thread title is not meaningless and is based on true premises lifted right from Bible accounts.

God "popped" everything into existence? Hardly.

 

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Jesus is an idol no one knows if he ever existed

Virtually all scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus of Nazareth was a real historical person who lived in the first century in Roman-occupied Palestine. While details of his life are debated, there is near-universal consensus that he was a Jewish preacher baptized by John the Baptist and crucified under Pontius Pilate.

Key Evidence for the Historical Jesus:

• Non-Christian Sources: Early Roman and Jewish historians, such as Flavius Josephus and Tacitus, mention Jesus, which confirms his existence outside of Christian writings.
• Early Pauline Letters: The Apostle Paul’s letters, written within 25 years of Jesus's death, provide some of the earliest references.
• Biblical Accounts:
  The Gospels are treated by scholars as ancient biographical sources that, while having a religious focus, align with the known geography and culture of 1st-century Palestine.

Scholarly Consensus:

• Denying the existence of Jesus is largely considered a fringe theory by historians.
• The discussion focuses on the historical Jesus (the human) vs. the Christ of faith (the divine figure).
• While some argue the biblical account is not historically accurate in all details, this does not mean the person did not exist, as explained in this YouTube video.

Although there is no direct archaeological evidence, the historical documentation from the era provides strong, independent, and early confirmation of his life.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

In the religious context thats correct but we do sometimes harm others. Some religions like Catholicism want people to feel in a constant state of sin in order to control them. Then they go to confession and a priest who is having sex with a 6 year old absolves you if your sins.

Eek, true

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

God "popped" everything into existence? Hardly.

So God was not the "first mover"?

You don't get to have it both ways.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You have to somehow explain the very presence of, and beginning of, the universe.

No I don't. Just as a 6 year old who doesnt believe unicorns make ice cream in the 6th dimension doesnt "have" to explain where ice cream comes from, in order to rationally reject a belief in unicorns in the 6th dimension.

So that's wrong.

I am perfectly fine saying, "I don't know. "

 

[Meriweather]

So God was not the "first mover"?

You don't get to have it both ways.

Both ways? I thought you said God "popped" everything into existence. What's the "other way"?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Both ways? I thought you said God "popped" everything into existence. What's the "other way"?

God isn't the first mover is the other way.

Two choices.

 

[Meriweather]

God isn't the first mover is the other way.

Two choices.

Do you believe God is the first mover? If so, how long did that first move take? Did it "pop" into existence?