Zone1 Another question to ponder

[SaxonJackson]

Why did god make a 600 year old man build the ark, instead of just popping one into existence, like he did everything else?
I get its about testing loyalty and obedience and such, or so I have seen explained. But then another question arises.
If god is omniscient, he didnt need to test Noah. He would have already known.

Tests/trials, in my opinion, serve at least two purposes. 1) It allows us to grow in faith and to learn from our experiences and 2) They can serve as an example to others.

As for building the ark or working at any task, God told mankind in the Book of Genesis that we would have to work by the sweat of our brow. This was part of the conditions meted out to mankind as a result of the fall from grace in the Garden of Eden.

 

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Like what dont be afraid be explicit

You have a supposed 135 IQ and you can't figure out how to find out what normalization of deviance means?

 

[Hafar1014]

You have a supposed 135 IQ and you can't figure out how to find out what normalization of deviance means?

I gave you 2 examples now state your own. Dont forget to add context you seem to have problem with that

 

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I gave you 2 examples now state your own. Dont forget to add context you seem to have problem with that

And yet you still can't state what it is. Remarkable.

 

[Hafar1014]

And yet you still can't state what it is. Remarkable.

What is not remarkable is your refusal to offer an opinion and example to prove your point. Afraid? Your statement is an oxymoron

 

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What is not remarkable is your refusal to offer an opinion and example to prove your point. Afraid? Your statement is an oxymoron

I like lording it over you.

 

[Hafar1014]

I like lording it over you.

You still cant prove your point because your afraid Ill tear it to shreds.
You said "normalization of deviance"
There are two contexts cultural and statistical. Thats why I gave you two examples.
Taken as you stated it without context its an oxymoron.
If you make deviance normal its not deviance. Thats the oxymoron.
It seems you dont know what you dont know.

How about this example. Christians took the normalization of Genesis and changed it to deviance. Then built an oppressive abusive religion that took 3000 years to become civilized.

 

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You still cant prove your point because your afraid Ill tear it to shreds.
You said "normalization of deviance"
There are two contexts cultural and statistical. Thats why I gave you two examples.
Taken as you stated it without context its an oxymoron.
If you make deviance normal its not deviance. Thats the oxymoron.
It seems you dont know what you dont know.

How about this example. Christians took the normalization of Genesis and changed it to deviance. Then built an oppressive abusive religion that took 3000 years to become civilized.

I'm not sure if I love it more that you believe normalization isn't a thing or that you don't have a clue what it is. Either way, it's delicious.

And you supposedly have an IQ of 135.

 

[Hafar1014]

I'm not sure if I love it more that you believe normalization isn't a thing or that you don't have a clue what it is. Either way, it's delicious.

And you supposedly have an IQ of 135.

You still cant explain your point which means you dont understand it yourself

 

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You still cant explain your point which means you dont understand it yourself

I couldn't be happier for you to believe that. I'm not insecure like you.

 

[SweetSue92]

lol right?
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This is a child's argument; I wonder if you realize it.

That you can conceive of a fantastical god, one for whom there is no evidence, does not mean that a real God does not exist.

 

[SweetSue92]

Humans created the divine.

If there is no divine, why in the world would we? Why would we not just be like immoral bags of meat, fulfilling whatever our next desire is?

Actually...I think this is why people do not believe in God. They essentially want to operate by their desires....or, as the Bible says, "their god is their stomach"

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

This is a child's argument; I wonder if you realize it.

That you can conceive of a fantastical god, one for whom there is no evidence, does not mean that a real God does not exist.

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And they have a million logical ways to explain away miracles.

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[SweetSue92]

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And they have a million logical ways to explain away miracles.

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As part of ladies book club at church, I am almost through with CS Lewis' "Miracles". It's not a super easy read, but HIGHLY recommend. The basic thesis of the book, for those who have not read it, is that the God who is supernatural, and created the natural, can and does absolutely act upon the natural in supernatural ways.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

As part of ladies book club at church, I am almost through with CS Lewis' "Miracles". It's not a super easy read, but HIGHLY recommend. The basic thesis of the book, for those who have not read it, is that the God who is supernatural, and created the natural, can and does absolutely act upon the natural in supernatural ways.

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I have experienced my own miracle and know at least two others who have had miracles of their own.

Completely unexplainable via the laws of nature, and everyday happenings with people who know God.

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[SweetSue92]

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I have experienced my own miracle and know at least two others who have had miracles of their own.

Completely unexplainable via the laws of nature, and everyday happenings with people who know God.

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One of Lewis' strongest points in the book, imo, is how almost all miracles actually align with nature rather than contradict them. For example: miraculous healings. Most unbelievers would say these are not feasible. Yet we see healing daily: paper cuts, stubbed toes, viruses. When God heals people, He works within the system He created....just faster and more efficiently.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

When God heals people, He works within the system He created....just faster and more efficiently.

I don't agree with this. By the very nature of a miracle, God's intervention comes outside the laws of physics He created for our world. He isn't a prisoner to the universe in which we live. Without God you will never walk on water, neither will you convert water to wine

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

As part of ladies book club at church, I am almost through with CS Lewis' "Miracles". It's not a super easy read, but HIGHLY recommend. The basic thesis of the book, for those who have not read it, is that the God who is supernatural, and created the natural, can and does absolutely act upon the natural in supernatural ways.

If that were true, you wouldn't need a book of fiction from the 1800s to tell you that. Especially in the age of cell phones. You could jusy turn on your tv or hop on social media.

 

[BreezeWood]

I'm not innocent and I don't apologize for it.

I couldn't care less what a piece of shit like yourself believes about anything.

try being more than a senseless spectator ... there is meaning for who is willing.

 

[BreezeWood]

Obedience to God, not to government....or anything/anyone with a worldly agenda.

- all in the heavens are equal, monotheism not meriwether monarchical worship, servitude and denial.