Zone1 Another question to ponder

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

What, that God directed Noah to build an arc to specific dimensions to save animals from a great flood instead of just zapping it into existence for him?

Why not then just zap the boat full of animals?

Why not make animals that don't poop?

Why not then just forgo the entire flood altogether in the first place?

What a dull place the world would be if everything was predetermined and there was no actual free will involved to anything.

It isn't meant to be LOGICAL. It is a story. Accept it on faith or not. The Bible is full of stuff that isn't logical or makes rational sense.

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Why not just destroy all the sinful who made it necessary to make the flood in the first place.

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[OhPleaseJustQuit]

I think you would crucify him, if you could.

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Many here who would.

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[Meriweather]

I understand the Crusades and the Inquisition and todays anti semitism all from Christians.
Originsl sin means all of mankind sinned
Hell is the punishment for not beliveing
Jesus is an idol
Satan is the god of hell dualism polytheism
Christianity is obsessed with sin and control.

In other words, you have no understanding at all.

 

[Meriweather]

God stated in Genesis the sin of one cannot be extended to others. What sin has baby comitted?

And what good works? In babies--as adorable as they are--we see human nature at work. The baby knows only what s/he wants and demands that want be met. Slowly, we learn to become aware of--and how to meet--the wants of others.

 

[Meriweather]

I f Jesus came today we would have Christians wearing electric chairs around their necks or a hangman's noose. Now theres a great symbol fir a god of love and peace... George Carlin

Not a chance. Today, we have separation between Church and State. Other than removing someone from their professed religion, there is no punishment for heresy. With freedom of speech, nor is there punishment for disagreeing with government policies.

 

[toobfreak]

Not a chance. Today, we have separation between Church and State. Other than removing someone from their professed religion, there is no punishment for heresy. With freedom of speech, nor is there punishment for disagreeing with government policies.

You just made Giordano Bruno turn over in his grave. He so was born about 400 years too early.

 

[Meriweather]

You just made Giordano Bruno turn over in his grave. He so was born about 400 years too early.

Bruno would have appreciated the Jefferson Bible, which included all moral teachings and excluded all signs and miracles, which Jefferson considered superstitions. Bruno considered Jesus a magician, not a miracle worker.

 

[BreezeWood]

Its not a take thats how the Orthodox rabbis who study the Torah define it. There can be no devil in Jewish thinking. He is the tempter and instigator and was punished first. He is the symbol for guile. A smart ass trouble maker. Satan in Hebrew means a liar false accuser we would call that perjury.

so much for judaism ...

their claims can not be, they, satan are a resident of the heavens therefore immune from sinning no such being as the desert bibles describe ever existed.

- whatever their impasse may have been were the facsimile to have existed their impasse can not have been born of evil.

 

[DennisPTate]

Why did god make a 600 year old man build the ark, instead of just popping one into existence, like he did everything else?
I get its about testing loyalty and obedience and such, or so I have seen explained. But then another question arises.
If god is omniscient, he didnt need to test Noah. He would have already known.

To at least some degree it was to allow everybody to talk and talk and talk and gossip about the crazy guy who is building a huge boat. Everybody laughed but once they would die and move on into the afterlife they would know that Noah had been sent as a message and warning for them.

The ancient Book of Jasher adds the detail that a lot of genetic manipulation was going on at that time and the earth was extremely violent and unjust.

And every man made unto himself a god, and they robbed and plundered every man his neighbor as well as his relative, and they corrupted the earth, and the earth was filled with violence.



18 And their judges and rulers went to the daughters of men and took their wives by force from their husbands according to their choice, and the sons of men in those days took from the cattle of the earth, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and taught the mixture of animals of one species with the other, in order therewith to provoke the Lord; and God saw the whole earth and it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted its ways upon earth, all men and all animals.



19 And the Lord said, I will blot out man that I created from the face of the earth, yea from man to the birds of the air, together with cattle and beasts that are in the field for I repent that I made them.



20 And all men who walked in the ways of the Lord, died in those days, before the Lord brought the evil upon man which he had declared, for this was from the Lord, that they should not see the evil which the Lord spoke of concerning the sons of men.



21 And Noah found grace in the sight of the Lord, and the Lord chose him and his children to raise up seed from them upon the face of the whole earth.

Book of Jasher, Chapter 4 | Internet Sacred Text Archive

Christianity: 1 And all the days that Enoch lived upon earth, were three hundred and sixty-five years.

sacred-texts.com

John J. Davis was shown all about what happens after we move on into the afterlife. Surely some of what he was shown would be relevant to the people who died in the Flood of Noah?

www.johnjdavisnde.com/

 

[Hafar1014]

In other words, you have no understanding at all.

Denial isnt a valid response its a surrender

 

[TNHarley]

Nope. Objective truth.

No, you don't.

But I have. It was you that couldn't answer my answers. All you did was hit the funny button. You're a joke.

Youre a tool.

 

[Hafar1014]

so much for judaism ...

their claims can not be, they, satan are a resident of the heavens therefore immune from sinning no such being as the desert bibles describe ever existed.

- whatever their impasse may have been were the facsimile to have existed their impasse can not have been born of evil.

You may have a phobia with sand

 

[TNHarley]

You can't tell me that the Chinese flood story is not connected to the Biblical one

It most certainly is.



Again, you would have to do some study on prehistoric archeology and ancient myths around the world to be able to understand what I am talking about to get the big picture.



There are common themes in the myths of ancient cultures around the world. For example, they speak of "beings" that come from above who gave mankind knowledge about mathematics and architecture and astronomy, etc. The Bible refers to them as the Nephilim, and Sumerians refer to them as the Anunnaki, and the Aztecs refer to them as the Quinametzin, etc. Then a global catastrophe occurred that they all refer to as the "Great Deluge" that destroyed almost all of them.

And if you study prehistoric archeology, what you will find is that prehistoric people were building things that modern day humans would have a very hard time replicating due to the complexity of the architecture and the massive blocks that they used. Then around 9,000 to 12,000 years ago, cataclysm stopped it all across the globe, as archeology is slowly discovering them around the world where they all stopped at about the same time and simply vanished.

Take the pyramids, for example. My guess is that they are far older than what is thought. I think most agree that the Sphynx if far older than the pyramids, with the head later modified from its ancient origins. But the interesting thing is, Egyptians tried to build later pyramids that are simply inferior to the Great pyramids that we are all familiar with, as if such ancient technology was lost to them. And you see this around the globe in places like South America as you see prehistoric constructions built with such technological precision, it defies explanation, as later constructions look like crap compared to them.

It simply makes no sense. In fact, many think that aliens came down to try and explain away the notion that prehistoric man was more sophisticated than mankind that came later. Take the temples of the Greek and Roman gods, for example. If you study them, you will find that the foundations of these constructions to not match the rest of the construction, with the foundation being built with massive blocks with highly technical precision. My guess is that people came across the foundations of these constructions, not knowing where they came from, and attributed it to "the gods" because it must have been built by superior intellects, so they build upon them and gave these "gods" a name as they used their temples to worship them.

But it is not just the myths that parallel themselves around the world, such as the giants and floods and beings that came from above, it is the prehistoric constructions themselves that parallel each other. For example, there are pyramids build all across the glove, with perhaps the most built in China of all places.

They simply share too many similarities to logically dismiss the notion that they are all tied together in some form or fashion.

The chinese myth is nothing like the biblical one. And lets call it the Mesopotamian one, since its the original.
The chinese myth is about perseverance and intelligence. Problem solving etc. Its not about wrath and the destruction of the entire planet because god is a psychopath.

 

[TNHarley]

It was an object lesson, FAFO.

What lesson? Everyone died

 

[TNHarley]

I don't know this. Neither do you. He may have the ability, but I don't know that He is that intimately involved in the lives of the unsaved

The bible says that. Have you ever read it?

 

[TNHarley]

The test wasn't for Noah, but the people.

My question is, why would he test people, when he already knows what will happen?

 

[TNHarley]

Sure He knew. The test was more for Noah and us than for God.

Test for who? Test for what? Why would something omniscient need to test anything? That makes 0 sense.

 

[Meriweather]

Denial isnt a valid response its a surrender

In other words I shouldn't shrug off your denial of true Christian dogma and accept your surrender each time you make up/invent your own dishonest descriptions? As you will not listen and learn, will only wallow in your own ignorance, perhaps accepting your surrender is the best course of action for me.

 

[Hafar1014]

My question is, why would he test people, when he already knows what will happen?

In other words I shouldn't shrug off your denial of true Christian dogma and accept your surrender each time you make up/invent your own dishonest descriptions? As you will not listen and learn, will only wallow in your own ignorance, perhaps accepting your surrender is the best course of action for me.

The only true Christian dogma is the New Testament. The Old Testament is Jewish dogma. Youll notice I have no criticism of the NT.

 

[Meriweather]

Test for who? Test for what? Why would something omniscient need to test anything? That makes 0 sense.

Recall questions about the number 600. In Judaism, the number 6 is associated with mankind, which occurred on the sixth day of God's creation...the creation of man. This was/is not a matter of God blinked, and this creation was complete. God was--and still is--shaping his creation to meet its perfection/completeness.

The flood is a setting for the Jewish account of what had been happening in the world, in their society. They weren't living up to expectations, and accepting lower standards of behavior and morals. Look at the story again. What did mankind (or the author of the story) see as their greatest fault? There was one man who was righteous. What was this right way that the rest of society was ignoring. Noah remained quiet. He did not speak. In other words, he was not gossiping with and about his neighbors. He didn't curse. Note Noah's silence throughout the story until...he cursed his grandson, Canaan....

The story of Noah presents two extremes to its listeners. Noah was a man of few words, so few he didn't even bother to warn the people of the disaster that would be coming upon them. Unlike Abraham, he failed to influence the people. And, this righteous man, when pushed beyond his limit (due to his own fault) by his grandson, spoke not words of reconciliation, but a curse, bring about the problem of gossip and cursing that had been their downfall before the flood.

It helps to remember that in Biblical times, people saw words as having actual power, a power that was often being misused. The point of this story is to consider whether your lack of words is the problem...or are the words you do speak the problem. A problem, that in this case continued, causing future battles between Israelites and Canaanites. The theme of this story: Watch your words--the ones you should speak but don't; the ones you do speak, but should not.