Zone1 Another question to ponder

[Hafar1014]

What is abstract about God?

The God of Genesis is abstract. God does not have name face or personality. The words used to describe God are nit names. Adonai and Elohim.
Adonai often indirectly written as Jehovah describes Gods love of humanity.
Elohim describes Gods omnipotence
God is describes as burning bush.

In comparison Jesus has name face and personality to Jews he is an idol or a personification simplified for people to understand

 

[Meriweather]

The belief that all humans are evil is how Christians impose their primitive beliefs on people.

The only Christian denomination that teaches humans are evil (total depravity) is Calvinism (whose beginning were the mid 1500s), and Confucianism (not a Christian religion, but whose teachings began in the early 200s BCE.

In today's population, 0.09 percent practice Confucianism. Less than 1 percent follow Calvinism, or less than 3 percent of the total Christian population.

When it comes to Christianity, I am trying to figure out whether you are constantly lying or are you totally ignorant? Whether it is deliberate invented fabrications or deliberate ignorance, this puzzles me. What is your end game?

 

[Meriweather]

No he isnt we are on our own.

Are you saying that you don't believe God personally touches your life?

 

[Hafar1014]

The only Christian denomination that teaches humans are evil (total depravity) is Calvinism (whose beginning were the mid 1500s), and Confucianism (not a Christian religion, but whose teachings began in the early 200s BCE.

In today's population, 0.09 percent practice Confucianism. Less than 1 percent follow Calvinism, or less than 3 percent of the total Christian population.

When it comes to Christianity, I am trying to figure out whether you are constantly lying or are you totally ignorant? Whether it is deliberate invented fabrications or deliberate ignorance, this puzzles me. What is your end game?

Belief in Hell and original sin is the belief that humans are born evil and must be cleansed by baptism. What does Jesus died for our sins mean? There is no original sin hell or devil n Genesis. It is stated that the act of one cant be extended to humanity as whole. Basic Christian dogma is in total conflict with Genesis. It seems that you dont understand Christianity.

 

[Meriweather]

The God of Genesis is abstract. God does not have name face or personality. The words used to describe God are nit names. Adonai and Elohim.
Adonai often indirectly written as Jehovah describes Gods love of humanity.
Elohim describes Gods omnipotence
God is describes as burning bush.

In comparison Jesus has name face and personality to Jews he is an idol or a personification simplified for people to understand

Then the common belief that all grasp, is God loves us. We also share the belief that God is all powerful.

It appears there is no question that God can come to us taking on the form of a burning bush, but Jews have trouble with the concept that God can come to us by taking on the form of humanity.

 

[Hafar1014]

Are you saying that you don't believe God personally touches your life?

No Im saying that God doesnt want humans to be as ants or bees. We are autonomous and independent in a world of chaos and we must create our own "paradise."
We are born with inherent qualities. The unlimited ability to love, basic moral values, the need for meaning, empathy, which no their animal has. Well some animals can love.
God doesnt manage us he empowers us to manage ourselves and yes we will make mistakes. Life isnt fair make it fair

 

[ding]

No google is your god now. Humans arent evil. Some are like the early Christians who killed in the name of Jesus. Humanity is inherently good. The belief that all humans are evil is how Christians impose their primitive beliefs on people. Thats evil

No one said humans are evil except you. You’re an idiot. Keep your hateful bigoted lies to yourself.

 

[Hafar1014]

No one said humans are evil except you. You’re an idiot. Keep your hateful bigoted lies to yourself.

Original sin defines humanity as evil. What is the purpose of baptism. What universal sins did Jesus die for? You dont understand youre own beliefs. I argued clearly humanity is not evil. You dont read well. Perhaps just bias.

 

[Hafar1014]

Then the common belief that all grasp, is God loves us. We also share the belief that God is all powerful.

It appears there is no question that God can come to us taking on the form of a burning bush, but Jews have trouble with the concept that God can come to us by taking on the form of humanity.

Of course thats because you created an idol. Its an interesting thought that God would take on human form and walk quietly among us observing but not interfering. He would look like this George Burns in Oh God

 

[Woodznutz]

Then Christians came and changed the meaning of all of it to create their new religions fir the great unwashed who couldn't understand the abstract god of the Jews and created an idol called Jesus hell and devil to threaten people into obedience.

"For God called the foolish of the world to confound the mighty." Guess who the "mighty" were when that was written.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Its an interesting thought that God would take on human form and walk quietly among us observing but not interfering. He would look like this George Burns in Oh God

Hardly.
Satan sits on a throne over the earth. Christ came as an AMBASSADOR of the coming Kingdom of God.
His time (to take back the world) is not yet -- but soon

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Read the context. WHO was He talking to?
He was speaking to Jeremiah who he may have been intimately involved in raising up for the work He intended him to do. We don't KNOW that that applies to the 100 billion humans who have lived and died

My personal belief is that God is INTIMATELY INVOLVED in the lives of those He has called and chosen -- on a level He is not with the rest of the world.
Jesus said as much when talking to the Father about not losing ANY the Father placed under His care

He was speaking to Yeremiah Directly.

And, since He us The Creator of All Things, & Knows "The Creation" in every way, from the Beginning to the End,... He Does Know Our "Thoughts", as shown below.

"We don't KNOW that that applies to the 100 billion humans who have lived and died"

I Believe that YAHWEH does "Know" every individuals thoughts Carl:

Isa_55:8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, and your ways are not my ways,” says Yahweh.
Isa_55:9 “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Php_4:7 And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your thoughts in Christ Jesus.

 

[Meriweather]

Belief in Hell and original sin is the belief that humans are born evil and must be cleansed by baptism.

That may be Calvinist belief, but it is not the belief of over 97% of all other Christian denominations. In Catholic/Orthodox and many other Christian denominations, baptism tells of the path we are taking: Rather than following the ways of the world, we will follow the ways of the Kingdom of God. As best we can, we will avoid worldly temptations to follow the holy ways of God.

No one is born evil. We are born with a human nature with the propensity of wanting to do things "My way" instead of learning to do things God's way, to become obedient to the ways of God.

What does Jesus died for our sins mean? There is no original sin hell or devil n Genesis.

Then you believe that at all times every human who ever lived was obedient to the ways of God, that there is only Godly nature, no human nature. Christians believe we start with human nature and strive to learn to follow the nature of God.

Jesus' life was an illustration for us, that it is possible for humans to be obedient to the will, the ways of God--even if it means your death. Death cannot triumph over life, we will be resurrected into new life. Jesus' entire life was devoted to teaching sins are forgiven, the only sin offering needed is obedience. Just as disobedience was introduced in the Garden, and effected mankind; one man's obedience and perfect sacrifice (his own life) is also be for all of mankind. It has had great effect on mine and many others

It is stated that the act of one cant be extended to humanity as whole. Basic Christian dogma is in total conflict with Genesis.

Basic Christian dogma is rooted and centered on/with Genesis.

It seems that you dont understand Christianity.

I certainly don't understand your version of it. Your version of Christianity is so far off in left field, we are not even in the same ballpark.

 

[Meriweather]

No Im saying that God doesnt want humans to be as ants or bees. We are autonomous and independent in a world of chaos and we must create our own "paradise."
We are born with inherent qualities. The unlimited ability to love, basic moral values, the need for meaning, empathy, which no their animal has. Well some animals can love.
God doesnt manage us he empowers us to manage ourselves and yes we will make mistakes. Life isnt fair make it fair

This is like telling Christians the sky is blue. Duh. Hafar, you are not on point.

 

[Woodznutz]

Belief in Hell and original sin is the belief that humans are born evil and must be cleansed by baptism. What does Jesus died for our sins mean? There is no original sin hell or devil n Genesis. It is stated that the act of one cant be extended to humanity as whole. Basic Christian dogma is in total conflict with Genesis. It seems that you dont understand Christianity.

The devil 'appeared' as the serpent in Genesis. The sin of Adam and Eve was a reenactment of the rebellion of the angels, with the same result, the loss of Eden and an impending death sentence.

 

[Meriweather]

Of course thats because you created an idol. Its an interesting thought that God would take on human form and walk quietly among us observing but not interfering. He would look like this George Burns in Oh God
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Again, you are off point. When it comes to George Burns, have you no understanding of satire?

 

[Woodznutz]

Of course thats because you created an idol. Its an interesting thought that God would take on human form and walk quietly among us observing but not interfering. He would look like this George Burns in Oh God
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I think God is taller.

 

[Hafar1014]

I think God is taller.

Hes undercover

 

[Hafar1014]

Again, you are off point. When it comes to George Burns, have you no understanding of satire?

George is wonderful metaphor for God. Who would you have the Rock

 

[Woodznutz]

Belief in Hell and original sin is the belief that humans are born evil and must be cleansed by baptism. What does Jesus died for our sins mean? There is no original sin hell or devil n Genesis. It is stated that the act of one cant be extended to humanity as whole. Basic Christian dogma is in total conflict with Genesis. It seems that you dont understand Christianity.

We don't need to inherit "original sin" to be sinners. We do that all by ourselves.