Zone1 Another question to ponder

[Woodznutz]

So God decided to drop stone tablets on a group of illiterate peole in the desert.

Is god maybe... dumb?

Moses recited the law to the Israelites as did the Levites later. Moses was likely fluent in several languages (in spite of having a speaking problem) having grown up among the highest ranks of the Egyptians.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Understand the human brain cant understand God.

And yet here you here, acting as if you understand God and why he did what he did.

Do you maybe just kind of manufacture whatever talking point seems to suit you at the moment, regardless of how often you contradict yourself? Seems so.

I can't account for such bad faith discussion.

 

[Woodznutz]

Its an allegory he never built anything

Allegories aren't that detailed.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Moses recited the law to the Israelites as did the Levites later.

Yes, what an awful plan.

 

[Hafar1014]

And yet here you here, acting as if you understand God and why he did what he did.

Do you maybe just kind of manufacture whatever talking point seems to suit you at the moment, regardless of how often you contradict yourself? Seems so.

I can't account for such bad faith discussion.

You dont understand what I wrote.

 

[Woodznutz]

Yes, what an awful plan.

It sure saved Israel's bacon, for a while at least.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You dont understand what I wrote.

You don't understand what you write.

Else you wouldn't contradict yourself every few minutes.

 

[Hafar1014]

You don't understand what you write.

Else you wouldn't contradict yourself every few minutes.

I reviewed some of yiour responses foul mouthed quite dumb and irrelevant. I assume youre 13 right

 

[GLASNOST]

Why did god make a 600 year old man build the ark, instead of just popping one into existence, like he did everything else?
I get its about testing loyalty and obedience and such, or so I have seen explained. But then another question arises.
If god is omniscient, he didnt need to test Noah. He would have already known.

I understand your frustration but if we can accept the fact that Obi Won Canasta [in death] can exclaim, "Run Luke, run!” then I don’t see why we cannot believe God commanded a 600-year old man to construct an ark.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I reviewed some of yiour responses foul mouthed quite dumb and irrelevant. I assume youre 13 right

Have your tantrum.

Then contradict yourself again by telling us why God does what he does.

You will.

 

[schmidlap]

Why did god make a 600 year old man build the ark, instead of just popping one into existence, like he did everything else?
I get its about testing loyalty and obedience and such, or so I have seen explained. But then another question arises.
If god is omniscient, he didnt need to test Noah. He would have already known.

It's a good story, but none of the gods but one did that.

 

[ding]

Original sin defines humanity as evil. What is the purpose of baptism. What universal sins did Jesus die for? You dont understand youre own beliefs. I argued clearly humanity is not evil. You dont read well. Perhaps just bias.

I'm surprised you haven't gone to prison for being a serial strawman rapist.

 

[ding]

Original sin defines humanity as evil.

The doctrine of Original Sin defines humanity as inherently fallen, corrupted, and inclined toward evil, rather than inherently "evil" in a purely demonic sense. It signifies that human nature is fractured from birth, lacking original righteousness and predisposed to sin, which creates an "aversion to good".

Key points regarding Original Sin and humanity:

• Corrupted Nature, Not Absolute Evil: Humanity is generally understood to be created good, but "fallen," meaning the nature is corrupted rather than totally malicious in every action.
• Inclination (Concupiscence): It represents a deeply rooted tendency or "inclination towards evil" and self-centeredness, making humanity morally debilitated and incapable of achieving goodness without divine grace.
• Inherited Condition: The transgression of Adam is viewed as a inherited state of spiritual sickness or bondage, rather than just an action that is imitated.
• Separation from God: Original sin creates an innate barrier between humanity and God, causing a fundamental misalignment in the human heart.
  

 

[ding]

What is the purpose of baptism.

Baptism is a foundational Christian sacrament or ordinance symbolizing cleansing from sin, death to an old life, and resurrection to a new life in Christ. It serves as an act of obedience to Jesus' command, public identification with His death and resurrection, and initiation into the church community.

Key Purposes and Significance of Baptism

• Forgiveness of Sins: Baptism symbolizes the washing away of sins, including original sin.
• Union with Christ: It marks a spiritual union with Jesus, representing a believer's death to sin and resurrection to a new life.
• Public Testimony/Confession:
  It is an outward, public declaration of an inward faith and commitment to follow Jesus.
  • Initiation into the Church: Baptism acts as the formal entry into the body of Christ, the church.
  • Obedience to Command: Christians are baptized in obedience to the command of Jesus.
  • Reception of the Holy Spirit: It is associated with receiving the Holy Spirit, who empowers and strengthens the believer.
    

Usage Examples in Christian Tradition

• Believer’s Baptism (Baptist/Evangelical): An individual who has made a personal confession of faith is baptized (usually by immersion) to testify to their salvation.
• Infant Baptism (Catholic/Presbyterian/Methodist): Infants are baptized to signify their inclusion in the covenant community (church) and to wash away original sin.
• Rites of Initiation (RCIA): Adult converts undergo baptism as part of their entry into the Catholic faith.
  

Synonyms and Related Concepts

• Sacrament of Initiation: Common in Catholic, Orthodox, and some Protestant traditions.
• Ordinance: Often used in Baptist/Evangelical contexts, emphasizing it as a command (ordinance) rather than a sacrament that imparts grace.
• Cleansing/Washing: Referring to the symbolic purification from sin.
• Christening: Often used interchangeably with infant baptism.
• Initiation/Incorporation: Emphasizes becoming part of the church community.
  

Diverse Perspectives

• Reformed/Presbyterian: Viewed as a sign and seal of the covenant of grace, replacing Old Testament circumcision.
• Catholic: Viewed as necessary for salvation, cleansing from original sin and personal sins, and imparting sanctifying grace.
• Baptist: Viewed as a symbolic act that follows conversion and is not strictly necessary for salvation but essential for obedience.

 

[ding]

What universal sins did Jesus die for?

According to Christian theology, Jesus died for the sins of the entire world, covering all sins—past, present, and future. His sacrifice was intended as a, full atonement for, humanity's disobedience, transgressions, and moral failures, offering forgiveness to all who believe.

Key Aspects of Sins Jesus Died For:

• All Sins: This includes all types of sin, from moral failings to profound injustices and transgressions.
• Past, Present, and Future: The sacrifice is considered a single, final act (Hebrews 10:10) that covers every sin committed by humanity.
• Original Sin and Personal Sin:It addresses both the inherent sinful nature inherited from Adam and personal, voluntary sins
  .
  • Specific Sins: Biblical interpretations include, but are not limited to, idolatry, murder, adultery, theft, and lying.
    

Key Concepts of His Sacrifice:

• Substitution: Jesus, being sinless himself, took upon himself the punishment and condemnation that humanity deserved.
• Atonement: His death served as the final sacrifice, fulfilling Old Testament foreshadowing like the Passover and the Day of Atonement.
• Reconciliation: The death was designed to remove the barrier between humanity and God caused by sin, offering reconciliation.
  

While some interpretations emphasize that the offer of salvation is universal, others stress that it is applied to those who accept it through faith.

 

[ding]

You dont understand youre own beliefs.

That's ironic coming from someone who pretends to be Jewish.

I argued clearly humanity is not evil. You dont read well. Perhaps just bias.

Bias drips from your every post. My bias is that you are a hateful bigot.

 

[ding]

Youre a tool.

I certainly shred your gaslighting attempts, that's for sure.

 

[BreezeWood]

It signifies that human nature is fractured from birth, lacking original righteousness and predisposed to sin, which creates an "aversion to good".

christianity in a nut shell ... always pretending their innocence - bing.

 

[ding]

christianity in a nut shell ... always pretending their innocence - bing.

That would be you. I'm not innocent and I don't apologize for it.

 

[BreezeWood]

That would be you. I'm not innocent and I don't apologize for it.

for whom the bell tolls ...

the second part surly is christianity at its finest.

- not all are sinners.