Zone1 Another question to ponder

[Meriweather]

The only true Christian dogma is the New Testament. The Old Testament is Jewish dogma. Youll notice I have no criticism of the NT.

The problem are your lies/inventions about Christianity. Are we perfect? No. We are still working on that. As are Jews following their religion despite lies about it.

 

[BreezeWood]

There can be no devil in Jewish thinking. He is the tempter and instigator and was punished first. He is the symbol for guile. A smart ass trouble maker. Satan in Hebrew means a liar false accuser ...

- whatever their impasse may have been were the facsimile to have existed their impasse can not have been born of evil.

You may have a phobia with sand

although your initial statement if from the heavens is tangentially correct what is the basis for the litany of defects you claim as though your religion actually has an explanation for what that individuals motivations actually were referred to as satan.

if the recent affiliation of judaism and despotic christianity in the heavenly sense is what may have occurred at that time satan may in fact have been crucified the same as jesus.

true, all three biblical religions have the same prologue written in their document and are equally culpable for their errors which seemingly can be correlated to their similar environment - the desert.

if iceland is for sale why not consider moving there - cant be any worse than where judaism is now.

 

[Woodznutz]

Recall questions about the number 600. In Judaism, the number 6 is associated with mankind, which occurred on the sixth day of God's creation...the creation of man. This was/is not a matter of God blinked, and this creation was complete. God was--and still is--shaping his creation to meet its perfection/completeness.

The flood is a setting for the Jewish account of what had been happening in the world, in their society. They weren't living up to expectations, and accepting lower standards of behavior and morals. Look at the story again. What did mankind (or the author of the story) see as their greatest fault? There was one man who was righteous. What was this right way that the rest of society was ignoring. Noah remained quiet. He did not speak. In other words, he was not gossiping with and about his neighbors. He didn't curse. Note Noah's silence throughout the story until...he cursed his grandson, Canaan....

The story of Noah presents two extremes to its listeners. Noah was a man of few words, so few he didn't even bother to warn the people of the disaster that would be coming upon them. Unlike Abraham, he failed to influence the people. And, this righteous man, when pushed beyond his limit (due to his own fault) by his grandson, spoke not words of reconciliation, but a curse, bring about the problem of gossip and cursing that had been their downfall before the flood.

It helps to remember that in Biblical times, people saw words as having actual power, a power that was often being misused. The point of this story is to consider whether your lack of words is the problem...or are the words you do speak the problem. A problem, that in this case continued, causing future battles between Israelites and Canaanites. The theme of this story: Watch your words--the ones you should speak but don't; the ones you do speak, but should not.

Actually Noah did preach. 2Peter 2:5.

 

[Meriweather]

Actually Noah did preach. 2Peter 2:5.

The author of the Great Flood was not the author of 2 Peter 2:5. Two different stories making different points. The story of the Great Flood tells us Noah remained silent about the coming disaster. There is no argument over Noah's righteousness.

 

[SweetSue92]

Test for who? Test for what? Why would something omniscient need to test anything? That makes 0 sense.

Why do teachers give tests in school?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Why did god make a 600 year old man build the ark, instead of just popping one into existence, like he did everything else?
I get its about testing loyalty and obedience and such, or so I have seen explained. But then another question arises.
If god is omniscient, he didnt need to test Noah. He would have already known.

Why did god murder every baby on the planet?

We need a better god to come along and destroy the evil Bible god.

 

[TNHarley]

Why do teachers give tests in school?

Why would something omniscient need to test anything?

 

[Mr Natural]

Why would something omniscient need to test anything?

It’s a mystery.

Just accept and move on.

 

[SweetSue92]

Why would something omniscient need to test anything?

You didn't answer my question, so I will answer it for you.

A teacher tests to monitor and record student learning, yes. But the test itself DRIVES learning. If you know you're being tested, you pay attention in class and study.

Same for God. Sure, He knows the outcome.....but we still need the discipline (not punishment, but the teaching)

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You didn't answer my question, so I will answer it for you.

A teacher tests to monitor and record student learning, yes. But the test itself DRIVES learning. If you know you're being tested, you pay attention in class and study.

Same for God. Sure, He knows the outcome.....but we still need the discipline (not punishment, but the teaching)

Gross.

Take a step back and look how gross your god is.

 

[Hafar1014]

Why would something omniscient need to test anything?

Because we are created to be free and autonomous so we can do anything right or wrong. We arent bees or ants. When God freed us in Genesis by giving us moral knowledge he didnt know what to expect

 

[JustAnotherNut]

My question is, why would he test people, when he already knows what will happen?

Nobody really knows why God does what He does, but to my way of thinking is like a parent with a child or children. We as parents sometimes test our kids, knowing full well what their response will probably be, but also hoping they will choose differently. There is that 'free will' and all.

Why do we test them in the first place?? Similar to tests in school.....to measure their level of understanding.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

When God freed us in Genesis by giving us moral knowledge he didnt know what to expect

Strange, gjven he designed the software and the hardware.

What an incompetent God.

 

[Hafar1014]

Nobody really knows why God does what He does, but to my way of thinking is like a parent with a child or children. We as parents sometimes test our kids, knowing full well what their response will probably be, but also hoping they will choose differently. There is that 'free will' and all.

Why do we test them in the first place?? Similar to tests in school.....to measure their level of understanding.

When God gave Adam moral knowledge he couldnt know what he would do. In some respects God is not aware of everything. Its a mind trap to say god knows everything because when nature is in a state of chaos anything can happen.

 

[YoursTruly]

Why did god make a 600 year old man build the ark, instead of just popping one into existence, like he did everything else?
I get its about testing loyalty and obedience and such, or so I have seen explained. But then another question arises.
If god is omniscient, he didnt need to test Noah. He would have already known.

Have you ever seen the series "Chernobyl?"

There's a scene where the head of the KGB meets with Legasov, and he ask him how his doctors appointment went.

Legasov: You don't know?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

When God gave Adam moral knowledge he couldnt know what he would do. In some respects God is not aware of everything. Its a mind trap to say god knows everything because when nature is in a state of chaos anything can happen.

So God decided to drop stone tablets on a group of illiterate peole in the desert.

Is god maybe... dumb?

 

[Hafar1014]

So God decided to drop stone tablets on a group of illiterate peole in the desert.

Is god maybe... dumb?

Understand the human brain cant understand God. Thats why Christianity dumbed god down to an idol named Jesus. This creates paradoxes. The Bible is an allegory its not literal. It has to be understood that way.

 

[Woodznutz]

The author of the Great Flood was not the author of 2 Peter 2:5. Two different stories making different points. The story of the Great Flood tells us Noah remained silent about the coming disaster. There is no argument over Noah's righteousness.

Exactly. As far as the people were concerned Noah was just building a large three-story warehouse. But at the same time, he was preaching "righteousness", not a warning of what was coming.

 

[TNHarley]

Because we are created to be free and autonomous so we can do anything right or wrong. We arent bees or ants. When God freed us in Genesis by giving us moral knowledge he didnt know what to expect

So he isnt omniscient. Not much of a "god" lol

 

[Hafar1014]

Exactly. As far as the people were concerned Noah was just building a large three-story warehouse. But at the same time, he was preaching "righteousness", not a warning of what was coming.

Its an allegory he never built anything