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We have plenty of people not paying, and thus having no skin in the game, and thus being hypocrites when they ask others to pay more.

A 70% tax on anything is punishing success, why work so hard when government is going to take most of the benefits?
Lots of strawmen. People can’t avoid taxes. You’re probably only referring to income tax, which is probably intentionally narrow because if you expand to all taxes, your claim of “people not paying” is stupid. People pay taxes. I don’t know how anyone could avoid them.

Is Biden raising taxes to 70%? No? Then shut up.

And this wasn’t about the wisdom of it, it was to show you that you’re out of touch.

It is easy to avoid paying taxes.
For example, you can create lots of fake corporations and pay out any income you make to them.
Then each one has allowances for their cost of doing business, that collectively can use up all the profit and leave nothing to be taxed.
Another old time method is to put all your relatives on the payroll so that people who normally would not be making an income, paying taxes, or using up their personal exemptions, can be used to whittle down your income to an untaxable amount.

Then what's the point of increasing the taxes when people just avoid them?

That is why I consider a flat tax with only a single flat exemption per person and household.
 

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I did, you just don't want to actually try to read my points.
Not really. You bring up straw men like 70% tax rates.

Don’t forget, the point was that you called Biden a leftists and not a moderate because he wants sane fiscal policy that includes tax increases on the high income earners.

You lost that argument, now you’re making a different one.

Add up between State and local taxes and all others on high earners, and 70% isn't a straw man.

I called him a leftist for other reasons, TAX THE RICH is just one of them.

"sane fiscal policy" LOLOLOLOLOL.

You are a typical prog, you want other people to pay for your shit, and then still bitch about them not paying enough.

Smaller government never comes into your mind because you would be lost without some big mommy telling you what to do, how to live, and how to think.

You are a fucking lemming.
You lost the argument doofus. Higher taxes on the wealthy is a moderate position. Get over it, loser.

Calling policy radical or leftists or Marxist is scare tactics to make up for the fact that you can’t convince people to go along with what you want (or in this case what you’ve been told to want).
 

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I did, you just don't want to actually try to read my points.
Not really. You bring up straw men like 70% tax rates.

Don’t forget, the point was that you called Biden a leftists and not a moderate because he wants sane fiscal policy that includes tax increases on the high income earners.

You lost that argument, now you’re making a different one.

Add up between State and local taxes and all others on high earners, and 70% isn't a straw man.

I called him a leftist for other reasons, TAX THE RICH is just one of them.

"sane fiscal policy" LOLOLOLOLOL.

You are a typical prog, you want other people to pay for your shit, and then still bitch about them not paying enough.

Smaller government never comes into your mind because you would be lost without some big mommy telling you what to do, how to live, and how to think.

You are a fucking lemming.
Name one person in America paying a 70% tax rate.

NYC's ultra-rich face 52% combined top income tax rate, highest in U.S.

52% on just income, add in their property taxes, gains taxes, fees, regulatory fees, etc, sales taxes ans 79% isn't a far cry off.
Oh, so now you’re going to add in all taxes and not just federal income tax.

Considering a person is paying for it, why not count it?

Here's an exercise, add up everything you pay to the government and see what you end up with as a percentage of your income going to it.

Tolls, fees, registrations, licenses, etc.
 

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Biden doesn't talk and doesn't act. he's effectively a rock.
Today he’s a rock. Yesterday he was a Marxist revolutionary, a month ago he was the greatest government grifter in the history of the nation.

Tomorrow he’s probably going to be the Antichrist, at least if the Republican Party continues to uphold Greene as their new intellectual leader.

He's got plenty of Marxists pulling the strings. I doubt he has a clue about half of what is going on in his name.

Also, before you go "no commies in the cabinet", socialism is Marxism as well.

No socialism is NOT at all Marxism.

Socialism is anytime the people decide to do anything cooperatively, like when farmers get together for a coop grain elevator or whole foods store. Public schools, free vaccinations, Social Security, and public roads are socialism.

Marxism is a totally theoretical view from around 1840, that assumed the only way to end the tyranny of the industrial revolution controlling workers, was to only allow collective means of production.
It was abstract, uninformed, and totally theoretical.

There are no similarities between socialism and Marxism except that they both were concerned with the dangers of growing capitalist power.

No, socialism IS Marxism, communism is just an extreme form of it.

cooperative endeavors under free enterprise are not socialism.

Yes, cooperative endeavors are socialism.
We decided as a nation to a cooperative, socialist, Post Office when it could easily have been done privately for profit instead.
That is socialism.
If you think socialism means no private enterprise is allowed and everything is centrally planned, you would be wrong.

Socialism goes back to pre-historic times.
All primitive societies are socialist.
Most primitive societies have large group housing and share the successes of the hunt by any member of the tribe.

And "free enterprise" is the least free in reality, because the greatest profit comes not from building and selling the best products, but from hiring the best mercenaries, taking over, and forcing everyone else into slavery.
Whenever people talk about the advantage of the "free market", I can tell they are just parroting propaganda, because no one should really want a "free market", and instead the term they should be "fair market".

The post office was created before socialism was "invented" by Marx.

Plus the Post office is setup as more of a company than a government agency.

Plus you can mail things not using the post office at all.

Primitive societies were authoritarian and brutish, not socialist.

Socialism predates Marx by millions of years. Even primative animals like Meerkats are socialist.
The post office being set up more like a company makes it more socialist, not less.
Socialism never precluded private enterprise like FedEx or UPS.

Primitive societies were NOT at all authoritarian or brutish, and were socialist.
In fact, the "back to the land" appeal of things like Israeli Kibbutzim are based on socialism being more natural and inherent to human nature,
When people read of brutish and authoritarian cultures in history, that is NOT primitives.
That is AFTER agriculture, weapons technology, currency, and lots of modern afflictions, only about 8000 years ago in the Mediterranean area.
Humans have been around at least a million years.

Meerkats are not socialists, they are meerkats.

And most of the Kibbutzes modified their approaches.
 

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I did, you just don't want to actually try to read my points.
Not really. You bring up straw men like 70% tax rates.

Don’t forget, the point was that you called Biden a leftists and not a moderate because he wants sane fiscal policy that includes tax increases on the high income earners.

You lost that argument, now you’re making a different one.

Add up between State and local taxes and all others on high earners, and 70% isn't a straw man.

I called him a leftist for other reasons, TAX THE RICH is just one of them.

"sane fiscal policy" LOLOLOLOLOL.

You are a typical prog, you want other people to pay for your shit, and then still bitch about them not paying enough.

Smaller government never comes into your mind because you would be lost without some big mommy telling you what to do, how to live, and how to think.

You are a fucking lemming.
Name one person in America paying a 70% tax rate.

NYC's ultra-rich face 52% combined top income tax rate, highest in U.S.

52% on just income, add in their property taxes, gains taxes, fees, regulatory fees, etc, sales taxes ans 79% isn't a far cry off.

I doubt that.
For example, you get to write off property taxes before you figure out your income taxes.
Capital gains is already part of income tax, and instead uses a lower rate. Its a loophole.
Regulatory fees also are all write offs.
Anyone with a corporation is sales tax exempt.
Etc.
The wealthy pay less tax than you think.
Make taxes simpler, gets rid of loopholes, another one of Trump’s failed promises.
 

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I did, you just don't want to actually try to read my points.
Not really. You bring up straw men like 70% tax rates.

Don’t forget, the point was that you called Biden a leftists and not a moderate because he wants sane fiscal policy that includes tax increases on the high income earners.

You lost that argument, now you’re making a different one.

Add up between State and local taxes and all others on high earners, and 70% isn't a straw man.

I called him a leftist for other reasons, TAX THE RICH is just one of them.

"sane fiscal policy" LOLOLOLOLOL.

You are a typical prog, you want other people to pay for your shit, and then still bitch about them not paying enough.

Smaller government never comes into your mind because you would be lost without some big mommy telling you what to do, how to live, and how to think.

You are a fucking lemming.
You lost the argument doofus. Higher taxes on the wealthy is a moderate position. Get over it, loser.

Calling policy radical or leftists or Marxist is scare tactics to make up for the fact that you can’t convince people to go along with what you want (or in this case what you’ve been told to want).

No, it's not a moderate position. Stop claiming that. It's a SJW/progressive jealousy position.

It's amazing how Marxists refuse to admit they are Marxists.
 

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No, it's not a moderate position. Stop claiming that. It's a SJW/progressive jealousy position.
Yeah, when the vast majority of the country agree with something, it’s moderate.

You can’t just live in alternate reality so that you don’t have to acknowledge it.
 

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No, it's not a moderate position. Stop claiming that. It's a SJW/progressive jealousy position.
Yeah, when the vast majority of the country agree with something, it’s moderate.

You can’t just live in alternate reality so that you don’t have to acknowledge it.

logical fallacy, just because a majority agree with something doesn't make it "moderate".

A majority of Alabaman's want to ban abortion, does that make them moderates?
 

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I did, you just don't want to actually try to read my points.
Not really. You bring up straw men like 70% tax rates.

Don’t forget, the point was that you called Biden a leftists and not a moderate because he wants sane fiscal policy that includes tax increases on the high income earners.

You lost that argument, now you’re making a different one.

Add up between State and local taxes and all others on high earners, and 70% isn't a straw man.

I called him a leftist for other reasons, TAX THE RICH is just one of them.

"sane fiscal policy" LOLOLOLOLOL.

You are a typical prog, you want other people to pay for your shit, and then still bitch about them not paying enough.

Smaller government never comes into your mind because you would be lost without some big mommy telling you what to do, how to live, and how to think.

You are a fucking lemming.
Name one person in America paying a 70% tax rate.

NYC's ultra-rich face 52% combined top income tax rate, highest in U.S.

52% on just income, add in their property taxes, gains taxes, fees, regulatory fees, etc, sales taxes ans 79% isn't a far cry off.
Oh, so now you’re going to add in all taxes and not just federal income tax.

Considering a person is paying for it, why not count it?

Here's an exercise, add up everything you pay to the government and see what you end up with as a percentage of your income going to it.

Tolls, fees, registrations, licenses, etc.

Most of those are optional payments for services you decide to get.
That is like saying you should not have to pay so much for food, rent, clothing, cars, fuel, etc.
 

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I did, you just don't want to actually try to read my points.
Not really. You bring up straw men like 70% tax rates.

Don’t forget, the point was that you called Biden a leftists and not a moderate because he wants sane fiscal policy that includes tax increases on the high income earners.

You lost that argument, now you’re making a different one.

Add up between State and local taxes and all others on high earners, and 70% isn't a straw man.

I called him a leftist for other reasons, TAX THE RICH is just one of them.

"sane fiscal policy" LOLOLOLOLOL.

You are a typical prog, you want other people to pay for your shit, and then still bitch about them not paying enough.

Smaller government never comes into your mind because you would be lost without some big mommy telling you what to do, how to live, and how to think.

You are a fucking lemming.
Name one person in America paying a 70% tax rate.

NYC's ultra-rich face 52% combined top income tax rate, highest in U.S.

52% on just income, add in their property taxes, gains taxes, fees, regulatory fees, etc, sales taxes ans 79% isn't a far cry off.
Oh, so now you’re going to add in all taxes and not just federal income tax.

Considering a person is paying for it, why not count it?

Here's an exercise, add up everything you pay to the government and see what you end up with as a percentage of your income going to it.

Tolls, fees, registrations, licenses, etc.

Most of those are optional payments for services you decide to get.
That is like saying you should not have to pay so much for food, rent, clothing, cars, fuel, etc.

Still money going to the government IN ADDITION to the taxes being paid.

And guess what? my taxes pay for plenty of things I don't "use". I haven't had a fire in my apartment yet, but my taxes pay for fire protection.
 

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No, it's not a moderate position. Stop claiming that. It's a SJW/progressive jealousy position.
Yeah, when the vast majority of the country agree with something, it’s moderate.

You can’t just live in alternate reality so that you don’t have to acknowledge it.

logical fallacy, just because a majority agree with something doesn't make it "moderate".

A majority of Alabaman's want to ban abortion, does that make them moderates?

The vast majority, Marty. A moderate in Alabama may well be someone who wants to ban abortion except in special cases. A moderate in fiscal policy wants to raise corporate taxes from 21% to
28% when it used to be 35% a few years ago and was higher than that in the 80s

That’s moderate.

You have terrible BDS.
 

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Because he is a creep who hasn't any real clue. He's makig it up as he goes. No mask, no "vax", he can shove it.
Fauci is far more data based than any of you goofballs.
 

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Biden doesn't talk and doesn't act. he's effectively a rock.
Today he’s a rock. Yesterday he was a Marxist revolutionary, a month ago he was the greatest government grifter in the history of the nation.

Tomorrow he’s probably going to be the Antichrist, at least if the Republican Party continues to uphold Greene as their new intellectual leader.

He's got plenty of Marxists pulling the strings. I doubt he has a clue about half of what is going on in his name.

Also, before you go "no commies in the cabinet", socialism is Marxism as well.

No socialism is NOT at all Marxism.

Socialism is anytime the people decide to do anything cooperatively, like when farmers get together for a coop grain elevator or whole foods store. Public schools, free vaccinations, Social Security, and public roads are socialism.

Marxism is a totally theoretical view from around 1840, that assumed the only way to end the tyranny of the industrial revolution controlling workers, was to only allow collective means of production.
It was abstract, uninformed, and totally theoretical.

There are no similarities between socialism and Marxism except that they both were concerned with the dangers of growing capitalist power.

No, socialism IS Marxism, communism is just an extreme form of it.

cooperative endeavors under free enterprise are not socialism.

Yes, cooperative endeavors are socialism.
We decided as a nation to a cooperative, socialist, Post Office when it could easily have been done privately for profit instead.
That is socialism.
If you think socialism means no private enterprise is allowed and everything is centrally planned, you would be wrong.

Socialism goes back to pre-historic times.
All primitive societies are socialist.
Most primitive societies have large group housing and share the successes of the hunt by any member of the tribe.

And "free enterprise" is the least free in reality, because the greatest profit comes not from building and selling the best products, but from hiring the best mercenaries, taking over, and forcing everyone else into slavery.
Whenever people talk about the advantage of the "free market", I can tell they are just parroting propaganda, because no one should really want a "free market", and instead the term they should be "fair market".

The post office was created before socialism was "invented" by Marx.

Plus the Post office is setup as more of a company than a government agency.

Plus you can mail things not using the post office at all.

Primitive societies were authoritarian and brutish, not socialist.

Socialism predates Marx by millions of years. Even primative animals like Meerkats are socialist.
The post office being set up more like a company makes it more socialist, not less.
Socialism never precluded private enterprise like FedEx or UPS.

Primitive societies were NOT at all authoritarian or brutish, and were socialist.
In fact, the "back to the land" appeal of things like Israeli Kibbutzim are based on socialism being more natural and inherent to human nature,
When people read of brutish and authoritarian cultures in history, that is NOT primitives.
That is AFTER agriculture, weapons technology, currency, and lots of modern afflictions, only about 8000 years ago in the Mediterranean area.
Humans have been around at least a million years.

Meerkats are not socialists, they are meerkats.

And most of the Kibbutzes modified their approaches.

Socialism is living cooperatively, collectively, and cooperatively, which is what all primates and Meerkats do.
Kibbutzims. ashrams, and all collective living concepts are not just socialist, but based on inherent aspects of socialism in our DNA. It simply is more successful to share overhead between more individuals.
 

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I did, you just don't want to actually try to read my points.
Not really. You bring up straw men like 70% tax rates.

Don’t forget, the point was that you called Biden a leftists and not a moderate because he wants sane fiscal policy that includes tax increases on the high income earners.

You lost that argument, now you’re making a different one.

Add up between State and local taxes and all others on high earners, and 70% isn't a straw man.

I called him a leftist for other reasons, TAX THE RICH is just one of them.

"sane fiscal policy" LOLOLOLOLOL.

You are a typical prog, you want other people to pay for your shit, and then still bitch about them not paying enough.

Smaller government never comes into your mind because you would be lost without some big mommy telling you what to do, how to live, and how to think.

You are a fucking lemming.
You lost the argument doofus. Higher taxes on the wealthy is a moderate position. Get over it, loser.

Calling policy radical or leftists or Marxist is scare tactics to make up for the fact that you can’t convince people to go along with what you want (or in this case what you’ve been told to want).

No, it's not a moderate position. Stop claiming that. It's a SJW/progressive jealousy position.

It's amazing how Marxists refuse to admit they are Marxists.

I read Marx, so I know what Marxism really is, and there really are no Marxists and never have been any.
He was really talking about Anarchism where there would be no coercive government at all.
He was idealistically assuming that somehow once you got rid of the evil corporate capitalists, that everything would turn into a utopia.
He not only was unrealistic, was unaware there were simpler solutions, such as anti-trust legislation and unions.
 

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No, it's not a moderate position. Stop claiming that. It's a SJW/progressive jealousy position.
Yeah, when the vast majority of the country agree with something, it’s moderate.

You can’t just live in alternate reality so that you don’t have to acknowledge it.
The vast majority supports taxing the vast minority so they can be given free shit.

Im shocked! shocked I tells ya!
 

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No, it's not a moderate position. Stop claiming that. It's a SJW/progressive jealousy position.
Yeah, when the vast majority of the country agree with something, it’s moderate.

You can’t just live in alternate reality so that you don’t have to acknowledge it.

logical fallacy, just because a majority agree with something doesn't make it "moderate".

A majority of Alabaman's want to ban abortion, does that make them moderates?

The vast majority, Marty. A moderate in Alabama may well be someone who wants to ban abortion except in special cases. A moderate in fiscal policy wants to raise corporate taxes from 21% to
28% when it used to be 35% a few years ago and was higher than that in the 80s

That’s moderate.

You have terrible BDS.

You didn't answer my question, You also fall for the 2nd logical fallacy, appeal to moderation, assuming the "moderate" viewpoint is always the correct one.
 

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Biden doesn't talk and doesn't act. he's effectively a rock.
Today he’s a rock. Yesterday he was a Marxist revolutionary, a month ago he was the greatest government grifter in the history of the nation.

Tomorrow he’s probably going to be the Antichrist, at least if the Republican Party continues to uphold Greene as their new intellectual leader.

He's got plenty of Marxists pulling the strings. I doubt he has a clue about half of what is going on in his name.

Also, before you go "no commies in the cabinet", socialism is Marxism as well.

No socialism is NOT at all Marxism.

Socialism is anytime the people decide to do anything cooperatively, like when farmers get together for a coop grain elevator or whole foods store. Public schools, free vaccinations, Social Security, and public roads are socialism.

Marxism is a totally theoretical view from around 1840, that assumed the only way to end the tyranny of the industrial revolution controlling workers, was to only allow collective means of production.
It was abstract, uninformed, and totally theoretical.

There are no similarities between socialism and Marxism except that they both were concerned with the dangers of growing capitalist power.

No, socialism IS Marxism, communism is just an extreme form of it.

cooperative endeavors under free enterprise are not socialism.

Yes, cooperative endeavors are socialism.
We decided as a nation to a cooperative, socialist, Post Office when it could easily have been done privately for profit instead.
That is socialism.
If you think socialism means no private enterprise is allowed and everything is centrally planned, you would be wrong.

Socialism goes back to pre-historic times.
All primitive societies are socialist.
Most primitive societies have large group housing and share the successes of the hunt by any member of the tribe.

And "free enterprise" is the least free in reality, because the greatest profit comes not from building and selling the best products, but from hiring the best mercenaries, taking over, and forcing everyone else into slavery.
Whenever people talk about the advantage of the "free market", I can tell they are just parroting propaganda, because no one should really want a "free market", and instead the term they should be "fair market".

The post office was created before socialism was "invented" by Marx.

Plus the Post office is setup as more of a company than a government agency.

Plus you can mail things not using the post office at all.

Primitive societies were authoritarian and brutish, not socialist.

Socialism predates Marx by millions of years. Even primative animals like Meerkats are socialist.
The post office being set up more like a company makes it more socialist, not less.
Socialism never precluded private enterprise like FedEx or UPS.

Primitive societies were NOT at all authoritarian or brutish, and were socialist.
In fact, the "back to the land" appeal of things like Israeli Kibbutzim are based on socialism being more natural and inherent to human nature,
When people read of brutish and authoritarian cultures in history, that is NOT primitives.
That is AFTER agriculture, weapons technology, currency, and lots of modern afflictions, only about 8000 years ago in the Mediterranean area.
Humans have been around at least a million years.

Meerkats are not socialists, they are meerkats.

And most of the Kibbutzes modified their approaches.

Socialism is living cooperatively, collectively, and cooperatively, which is what all primates and Meerkats do.
Kibbutzims. ashrams, and all collective living concepts are not just socialist, but based on inherent aspects of socialism in our DNA. It simply is more successful to share overhead between more individuals.

Socialism is government control over private enterprise, or regulating something so tightly that the control is de facto if not de jure.
 

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This dude is all over the map
How so? It’s not as if Fauci was recently telling people it was okay to do so.

Because he is a creep who hasn't any real clue. He's makig it up as he goes. No mask, no "vax", he can shove it.

Not really.
I don't like Trump, but he has science on his side in the "no mask" and accelerate herd immunity argument.
The only reason I don't blame Fauci more is that he had little data to work with, so is was unaware of how many asymptomatic we have, (inherently immune).
 

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