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martybegan

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I did, you just don't want to actually try to read my points.
Not really. You bring up straw men like 70% tax rates.

Don’t forget, the point was that you called Biden a leftists and not a moderate because he wants sane fiscal policy that includes tax increases on the high income earners.

You lost that argument, now you’re making a different one.

Add up between State and local taxes and all others on high earners, and 70% isn't a straw man.

I called him a leftist for other reasons, TAX THE RICH is just one of them.

"sane fiscal policy" LOLOLOLOLOL.

You are a typical prog, you want other people to pay for your shit, and then still bitch about them not paying enough.

Smaller government never comes into your mind because you would be lost without some big mommy telling you what to do, how to live, and how to think.

You are a fucking lemming.
You lost the argument doofus. Higher taxes on the wealthy is a moderate position. Get over it, loser.

Calling policy radical or leftists or Marxist is scare tactics to make up for the fact that you can’t convince people to go along with what you want (or in this case what you’ve been told to want).

No, it's not a moderate position. Stop claiming that. It's a SJW/progressive jealousy position.

It's amazing how Marxists refuse to admit they are Marxists.

I read Marx, so I know what Marxism really is, and there really are no Marxists and never have been any.
He was really talking about Anarchism where there would be no coercive government at all.
He was idealistically assuming that somehow once you got rid of the evil corporate capitalists, that everything would turn into a utopia.
He not only was unrealistic, was unaware there were simpler solutions, such as anti-trust legislation and unions.

There are plenty of Marxists. My cousin is one. AOC is one, any Democratic Socialist is one. SJW types are usually ones.
 

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You didn't answer my question, You also fall for the 2nd logical fallacy, appeal to moderation, assuming the "moderate" viewpoint is always the correct one.
Where did I say the moderate viewpoint is the correct one? Another straw man. I said Biden was a moderate and you didn’t.

You either are too addled to keep track of your own argument or are too dishonest to admit you’re losing.

This is what losing an argument looks like Marty, it’s when you keep changing the basis of the disagreement. You’re a loser.
 

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Biden doesn't talk and doesn't act. he's effectively a rock.
Today he’s a rock. Yesterday he was a Marxist revolutionary, a month ago he was the greatest government grifter in the history of the nation.

Tomorrow he’s probably going to be the Antichrist, at least if the Republican Party continues to uphold Greene as their new intellectual leader.

He's got plenty of Marxists pulling the strings. I doubt he has a clue about half of what is going on in his name.

Also, before you go "no commies in the cabinet", socialism is Marxism as well.

No socialism is NOT at all Marxism.

Socialism is anytime the people decide to do anything cooperatively, like when farmers get together for a coop grain elevator or whole foods store. Public schools, free vaccinations, Social Security, and public roads are socialism.

Marxism is a totally theoretical view from around 1840, that assumed the only way to end the tyranny of the industrial revolution controlling workers, was to only allow collective means of production.
It was abstract, uninformed, and totally theoretical.

There are no similarities between socialism and Marxism except that they both were concerned with the dangers of growing capitalist power.

No, socialism IS Marxism, communism is just an extreme form of it.

cooperative endeavors under free enterprise are not socialism.

Yes, cooperative endeavors are socialism.
We decided as a nation to a cooperative, socialist, Post Office when it could easily have been done privately for profit instead.
That is socialism.
If you think socialism means no private enterprise is allowed and everything is centrally planned, you would be wrong.

Socialism goes back to pre-historic times.
All primitive societies are socialist.
Most primitive societies have large group housing and share the successes of the hunt by any member of the tribe.

And "free enterprise" is the least free in reality, because the greatest profit comes not from building and selling the best products, but from hiring the best mercenaries, taking over, and forcing everyone else into slavery.
Whenever people talk about the advantage of the "free market", I can tell they are just parroting propaganda, because no one should really want a "free market", and instead the term they should be "fair market".

The post office was created before socialism was "invented" by Marx.

Plus the Post office is setup as more of a company than a government agency.

Plus you can mail things not using the post office at all.

Primitive societies were authoritarian and brutish, not socialist.

Socialism predates Marx by millions of years. Even primative animals like Meerkats are socialist.
The post office being set up more like a company makes it more socialist, not less.
Socialism never precluded private enterprise like FedEx or UPS.

Primitive societies were NOT at all authoritarian or brutish, and were socialist.
In fact, the "back to the land" appeal of things like Israeli Kibbutzim are based on socialism being more natural and inherent to human nature,
When people read of brutish and authoritarian cultures in history, that is NOT primitives.
That is AFTER agriculture, weapons technology, currency, and lots of modern afflictions, only about 8000 years ago in the Mediterranean area.
Humans have been around at least a million years.

Meerkats are not socialists, they are meerkats.

And most of the Kibbutzes modified their approaches.

Socialism is living cooperatively, collectively, and cooperatively, which is what all primates and Meerkats do.
Kibbutzims. ashrams, and all collective living concepts are not just socialist, but based on inherent aspects of socialism in our DNA. It simply is more successful to share overhead between more individuals.

Socialism is government control over private enterprise, or regulating something so tightly that the control is de facto if not de jure.

No, socialism is what ever the people decide to vote for in a democracy.
It can be just a few social services, it can be strong anti-trust regulations, or it can national healthcare and national oil companies like most countries do.
 

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Biden doesn't talk and doesn't act. he's effectively a rock.
Today he’s a rock. Yesterday he was a Marxist revolutionary, a month ago he was the greatest government grifter in the history of the nation.

Tomorrow he’s probably going to be the Antichrist, at least if the Republican Party continues to uphold Greene as their new intellectual leader.

He's got plenty of Marxists pulling the strings. I doubt he has a clue about half of what is going on in his name.

Also, before you go "no commies in the cabinet", socialism is Marxism as well.

No socialism is NOT at all Marxism.

Socialism is anytime the people decide to do anything cooperatively, like when farmers get together for a coop grain elevator or whole foods store. Public schools, free vaccinations, Social Security, and public roads are socialism.

Marxism is a totally theoretical view from around 1840, that assumed the only way to end the tyranny of the industrial revolution controlling workers, was to only allow collective means of production.
It was abstract, uninformed, and totally theoretical.

There are no similarities between socialism and Marxism except that they both were concerned with the dangers of growing capitalist power.

No, socialism IS Marxism, communism is just an extreme form of it.

cooperative endeavors under free enterprise are not socialism.

Yes, cooperative endeavors are socialism.
We decided as a nation to a cooperative, socialist, Post Office when it could easily have been done privately for profit instead.
That is socialism.
If you think socialism means no private enterprise is allowed and everything is centrally planned, you would be wrong.

Socialism goes back to pre-historic times.
All primitive societies are socialist.
Most primitive societies have large group housing and share the successes of the hunt by any member of the tribe.

And "free enterprise" is the least free in reality, because the greatest profit comes not from building and selling the best products, but from hiring the best mercenaries, taking over, and forcing everyone else into slavery.
Whenever people talk about the advantage of the "free market", I can tell they are just parroting propaganda, because no one should really want a "free market", and instead the term they should be "fair market".

The post office was created before socialism was "invented" by Marx.

Plus the Post office is setup as more of a company than a government agency.

Plus you can mail things not using the post office at all.

Primitive societies were authoritarian and brutish, not socialist.

Socialism predates Marx by millions of years. Even primative animals like Meerkats are socialist.
The post office being set up more like a company makes it more socialist, not less.
Socialism never precluded private enterprise like FedEx or UPS.

Primitive societies were NOT at all authoritarian or brutish, and were socialist.
In fact, the "back to the land" appeal of things like Israeli Kibbutzim are based on socialism being more natural and inherent to human nature,
When people read of brutish and authoritarian cultures in history, that is NOT primitives.
That is AFTER agriculture, weapons technology, currency, and lots of modern afflictions, only about 8000 years ago in the Mediterranean area.
Humans have been around at least a million years.

Meerkats are not socialists, they are meerkats.

And most of the Kibbutzes modified their approaches.

Socialism is living cooperatively, collectively, and cooperatively, which is what all primates and Meerkats do.
Kibbutzims. ashrams, and all collective living concepts are not just socialist, but based on inherent aspects of socialism in our DNA. It simply is more successful to share overhead between more individuals.
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No, its not. Socialism is the people (community) owning the means of production. It has a meaning. Capitalism is a system where people are 'living cooperatively, collectively, and cooperatively' as is any other social or economic system as that would be what such systems are by definition.
 

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You didn't answer my question, You also fall for the 2nd logical fallacy, appeal to moderation, assuming the "moderate" viewpoint is always the correct one.
Where did I say the moderate viewpoint is the correct one? Another straw man. I said Biden was a moderate and you didn’t.

You either are too addled to keep track of your own argument or are too dishonest to admit you’re losing.

This is what losing an argument looks like Marty, it’s when you keep changing the basis of the disagreement. You’re a loser.

You keep harping that raising taxes on the wealthy is "moderate", and "popular". My god you do something and then deny you did it.

Your entire political viewpoint is based on lies, and you accuse me of being a loser?

Fucking comical.
 

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This dude is all over the map
How so? It’s not as if Fauci was recently telling people it was okay to do so.

Because he is a creep who hasn't any real clue. He's makig it up as he goes. No mask, no "vax", he can shove it.

Not really.
I don't like Trump, but he has science on his side in the "no mask" and accelerate herd immunity argument.
The only reason I don't blame Fauci more is that he had little data to work with, so is was unaware of how many asymptomatic we have, (inherently immune).

We're a year in and he is still wrong.
 

martybegan

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Biden doesn't talk and doesn't act. he's effectively a rock.
Today he’s a rock. Yesterday he was a Marxist revolutionary, a month ago he was the greatest government grifter in the history of the nation.

Tomorrow he’s probably going to be the Antichrist, at least if the Republican Party continues to uphold Greene as their new intellectual leader.

He's got plenty of Marxists pulling the strings. I doubt he has a clue about half of what is going on in his name.

Also, before you go "no commies in the cabinet", socialism is Marxism as well.

No socialism is NOT at all Marxism.

Socialism is anytime the people decide to do anything cooperatively, like when farmers get together for a coop grain elevator or whole foods store. Public schools, free vaccinations, Social Security, and public roads are socialism.

Marxism is a totally theoretical view from around 1840, that assumed the only way to end the tyranny of the industrial revolution controlling workers, was to only allow collective means of production.
It was abstract, uninformed, and totally theoretical.

There are no similarities between socialism and Marxism except that they both were concerned with the dangers of growing capitalist power.

No, socialism IS Marxism, communism is just an extreme form of it.

cooperative endeavors under free enterprise are not socialism.

Yes, cooperative endeavors are socialism.
We decided as a nation to a cooperative, socialist, Post Office when it could easily have been done privately for profit instead.
That is socialism.
If you think socialism means no private enterprise is allowed and everything is centrally planned, you would be wrong.

Socialism goes back to pre-historic times.
All primitive societies are socialist.
Most primitive societies have large group housing and share the successes of the hunt by any member of the tribe.

And "free enterprise" is the least free in reality, because the greatest profit comes not from building and selling the best products, but from hiring the best mercenaries, taking over, and forcing everyone else into slavery.
Whenever people talk about the advantage of the "free market", I can tell they are just parroting propaganda, because no one should really want a "free market", and instead the term they should be "fair market".

The post office was created before socialism was "invented" by Marx.

Plus the Post office is setup as more of a company than a government agency.

Plus you can mail things not using the post office at all.

Primitive societies were authoritarian and brutish, not socialist.

Socialism predates Marx by millions of years. Even primative animals like Meerkats are socialist.
The post office being set up more like a company makes it more socialist, not less.
Socialism never precluded private enterprise like FedEx or UPS.

Primitive societies were NOT at all authoritarian or brutish, and were socialist.
In fact, the "back to the land" appeal of things like Israeli Kibbutzim are based on socialism being more natural and inherent to human nature,
When people read of brutish and authoritarian cultures in history, that is NOT primitives.
That is AFTER agriculture, weapons technology, currency, and lots of modern afflictions, only about 8000 years ago in the Mediterranean area.
Humans have been around at least a million years.

Meerkats are not socialists, they are meerkats.

And most of the Kibbutzes modified their approaches.

Socialism is living cooperatively, collectively, and cooperatively, which is what all primates and Meerkats do.
Kibbutzims. ashrams, and all collective living concepts are not just socialist, but based on inherent aspects of socialism in our DNA. It simply is more successful to share overhead between more individuals.

Socialism is government control over private enterprise, or regulating something so tightly that the control is de facto if not de jure.

No, socialism is what ever the people decide to vote for in a democracy.
It can be just a few social services, it can be strong anti-trust regulations, or it can national healthcare and national oil companies like most countries do.

No, it isn't. It's amazing how socialists can't admit what socialism is.

Socialism is people who don't own anything thinking they know better on how to run things than the people who actually own it.

Either they decide to take it in actuality, or use government to take it without actually taking.
 

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You didn't answer my question, You also fall for the 2nd logical fallacy, appeal to moderation, assuming the "moderate" viewpoint is always the correct one.
Where did I say the moderate viewpoint is the correct one? Another straw man. I said Biden was a moderate and you didn’t.

You either are too addled to keep track of your own argument or are too dishonest to admit you’re losing.

This is what losing an argument looks like Marty, it’s when you keep changing the basis of the disagreement. You’re a loser.

You keep harping that raising taxes on the wealthy is "moderate", and "popular". My god you do something and then deny you did it.

Your entire political viewpoint is based on lies, and you accuse me of being a loser?

Fucking comical.
I said it was moderate and popular. I said nothing about assuming it was correct. You are switching your accusation back and forth because you’re a loser.

You haven’t presented an argument, because you don’t have one. You do a horseshit job of thinking for yourself.
 

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Socialism is people who don't own anything thinking they know better on how to run things than the people who actually own it.
Like a bunch of assholes telling Twitter how they should be run?
 

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You didn't answer my question, You also fall for the 2nd logical fallacy, appeal to moderation, assuming the "moderate" viewpoint is always the correct one.
Where did I say the moderate viewpoint is the correct one? Another straw man. I said Biden was a moderate and you didn’t.

You either are too addled to keep track of your own argument or are too dishonest to admit you’re losing.

This is what losing an argument looks like Marty, it’s when you keep changing the basis of the disagreement. You’re a loser.
Biden isn’t a moderate. He is a radical leftist.
 

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You didn't answer my question, You also fall for the 2nd logical fallacy, appeal to moderation, assuming the "moderate" viewpoint is always the correct one.
Where did I say the moderate viewpoint is the correct one? Another straw man. I said Biden was a moderate and you didn’t.

You either are too addled to keep track of your own argument or are too dishonest to admit you’re losing.

This is what losing an argument looks like Marty, it’s when you keep changing the basis of the disagreement. You’re a loser.

You keep harping that raising taxes on the wealthy is "moderate", and "popular". My god you do something and then deny you did it.

Your entire political viewpoint is based on lies, and you accuse me of being a loser?

Fucking comical.
I said it was moderate and popular. I said nothing about assuming it was correct. You are switching your accusation back and forth because you’re a loser.

You haven’t presented an argument, because you don’t have one. You do a horseshit job of thinking for yourself.

by appealing to it's moderate status, you ARE assuming it is correct.

All you present is "other people have more than me so I want the government to take their shit"

It's pathetic.

You probably haven't worked a real day in your fucking pathetic life.
 
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I did, you just don't want to actually try to read my points.
Not really. You bring up straw men like 70% tax rates.

Don’t forget, the point was that you called Biden a leftists and not a moderate because he wants sane fiscal policy that includes tax increases on the high income earners.

You lost that argument, now you’re making a different one.

Add up between State and local taxes and all others on high earners, and 70% isn't a straw man.

I called him a leftist for other reasons, TAX THE RICH is just one of them.

"sane fiscal policy" LOLOLOLOLOL.

You are a typical prog, you want other people to pay for your shit, and then still bitch about them not paying enough.

Smaller government never comes into your mind because you would be lost without some big mommy telling you what to do, how to live, and how to think.

You are a fucking lemming.
You lost the argument doofus. Higher taxes on the wealthy is a moderate position. Get over it, loser.

Calling policy radical or leftists or Marxist is scare tactics to make up for the fact that you can’t convince people to go along with what you want (or in this case what you’ve been told to want).
Taxing for redistribution isnt moderate. Its authoritarian.
I get that you federal supremacists cant understand that, though. So its ok. :itsok:
 
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Socialism is people who don't own anything thinking they know better on how to run things than the people who actually own it.
Like a bunch of assholes telling Twitter how they should be run?

Telling them to follow their own supposed "goals" for the platform.

Why is Trump still banned? What part of the TOS did he violate?
 

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I did, you just don't want to actually try to read my points.
Not really. You bring up straw men like 70% tax rates.

Don’t forget, the point was that you called Biden a leftists and not a moderate because he wants sane fiscal policy that includes tax increases on the high income earners.

You lost that argument, now you’re making a different one.

Add up between State and local taxes and all others on high earners, and 70% isn't a straw man.

I called him a leftist for other reasons, TAX THE RICH is just one of them.

"sane fiscal policy" LOLOLOLOLOL.

You are a typical prog, you want other people to pay for your shit, and then still bitch about them not paying enough.

Smaller government never comes into your mind because you would be lost without some big mommy telling you what to do, how to live, and how to think.

You are a fucking lemming.
You lost the argument doofus. Higher taxes on the wealthy is a moderate position. Get over it, loser.

Calling policy radical or leftists or Marxist is scare tactics to make up for the fact that you can’t convince people to go along with what you want (or in this case what you’ve been told to want).
Taxing for redistribution isnt moderate. Its authoriatrian.
I understand that you federal supremacists cant understand that, though. So its ok. :itsok:

He's probably a basement dwelling loser who hasn't had to do real work his entire life.

Every viewpoint spoon fed to him by some socialist professor from his Lesbian basketweaving class back in college.
 

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Taxing for redistribution isnt moderate. Its authoriatrian.
I understand that you federal supremacists cant understand that, though. So its ok. :itsok:
It’s moderate in this country. Keeps this country successful, especially since we’ve been doing it for generations.
 

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Thanks for admitting you have no way to refute my facts, Troll.
That’s your opinion, one which you failed to substantiate with any actual argument.

Nothing to refute, just worthless throwaway comment from a worthless throwaway poster.
 

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You didn't answer my question, You also fall for the 2nd logical fallacy, appeal to moderation, assuming the "moderate" viewpoint is always the correct one.
Where did I say the moderate viewpoint is the correct one? Another straw man. I said Biden was a moderate and you didn’t.

You either are too addled to keep track of your own argument or are too dishonest to admit you’re losing.

This is what losing an argument looks like Marty, it’s when you keep changing the basis of the disagreement. You’re a loser.
When do you plan on adopting a moderate viewpoint?
 
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Taxing for redistribution isnt moderate. Its authoriatrian.
I understand that you federal supremacists cant understand that, though. So its ok. :itsok:
It’s moderate in this country. Keeps this country successful, especially since we’ve been doing it for generations.
It isnt moderate.
If we had a constitutional govt, they wouldnt feel the need for such high levels of theft.
Robbing me of the fruits of my labor, to send to some fucking terrorists in the ME, or bailing out corporate failures.
 

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