Angry over mentally ill people able to get guns? Guess who you can thank for it.

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It used to be that a citizen could petition a court to have someone committed to a mental institution, and the court could grant such committment if enough valid evidence was presented.

This changed in the 1960s and 70s.

In 1967 two Democrats and a Republican in California's state legislature came up with the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act, designed to end INVOLUNTARY commitments of mentallly ill, alcoholic, etc. people into large mental institutions. The LPS Act was hailed by liberals all over the country as putting an end to eeevil government practices of dictating to helpless victims where they would go and what treatments they would get whether they liked it or not. It was overwhelmingly passed by California's Assembly and Senate, and finally signed by Governor Ronald Reagan in 1967. Similar laws were quickly passed all over the country, advocated mostly by liberal groups and do-gooders.

The liberal ACLU kept pushing this agenda to get these patients out of mental institutions, and finally resulted in 1975 (coincidentally Reagans' last year as Governor) in the U.S. Supreme Court handing down a decision in O'Connor vs. Donaldson (422 US 563). This Court decision announced a new Constitutional right: The mentally ill could not be forced to stay in such institutions if they were not an actual threat to others. This opened the floodgates and let huge numbers of patients, in various degrees of helplessness, out of the institutions.

When it was discovered that these laws and court decisions had the effect of putting many people who could not, in fact, take care of themselves out on the street, the liberals did a fast 180, hastily forgot about their long, enthusiastic nationwide advocacy and support of the agenda, and invented a completely new accusation: That it was Ronald Reagan alone who had "kicked all those poor people out of their nice, safe hospitals and made them homeless".

From Wikipedia:

The Lanterman–Petris–Short (LPS) Act (Cal. Welf & Inst. Code, sec. 5000 et seq.) concerns the involuntary civil commitment to a mental health institution in the State of California. The act set the precedent for modern mental health commitment procedures in the United States. It was co-authored by California State Assemblyman Frank Lanterman (R) and California State Senators Nicholas C. Petris (D) and Alan Short (D), and signed into law in 1967 by Governor Ronald Reagan. The Act went into full effect on July 1, 1972. It cited seven articles of intent:

•To end the inappropriate, indefinite, and involuntary commitment of mentally disordered persons, people with developmental disabilities, and persons impaired by chronic alcoholism, and to eliminate legal disabilities;

•To provide prompt evaluation and treatment of persons with serious mental disorders or impaired by chronic alcoholism;

•To guarantee and protect public safety;

•To safeguard individual rights through judicial review;

•To provide individualized treatment, supervision, and placement services by a conservatorship program for gravely disabled persons;

•To encourage the full use of all existing agencies, professional personnel and public funds to accomplish these objectives and to prevent duplication of services and unnecessary expenditures;

•To protect mentally disordered persons and developmentally disabled persons from criminal acts.

The Act in effect ended all hospital commitments by the judiciary system, except in the case of criminal sentencing, e.g., convicted sexual offenders, and those who were "gravely disabled", defined as unable to obtain food, clothing, or housing [Conservatorship of Susan T., 8 Cal. 4th 1005 (1994)]. It did not, however, impede the right of voluntary commitments. It expanded the evaluative power of psychiatrists and created provisions and criteria for holds.
 
Where is the part where they give them the guns?
 
Excerpts from Sandy Hook shooter treated at Yale | Yale Daily News :

On Dec. 27, the Connecticut State Police released its final report on the investigation into the Dec. 14, 2012 shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School that left 26 students and school staff dead. The report contained the names of Kathleen Koenig YSN ’88 and Robert King, both staff at the Child Study Center, who began to treat Lanza in 2006. Together, King and Koenig sought to devise a course of treatment that combined behavioral-based therapy and a prescription for Celexa, a common anti-depressant.

However, Lanza’s mother, Nancy Lanza, objected to the program — particularly the use of medication to treat her son — and discontinued her son’s treatment after only four visits to the center.

Koenig’s attempts and Nancy Lanza’s subsequent refusals bring to the forefront the difficulty mental health officials often face when working with uncooperative patients. Unless patients demonstrate that they pose a clear danger to themselves or others, professionals cannot compel treatment.

In the case of Adam Lanza, who was living with his family and for whom there was no obvious cause to be brought to the hospital emergency room for psychiatric illness, no mechanism in place in Connecticut would have forced him to undergo treatment, according to Harold Schwartz, psychiatrist-in-chief at Hartford Hospital and a member of Gov. Dannel Malloy’s Sandy Hook Commission.


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As the bolded parts show, and the accounts from the OP above, thanks to shortsighted do-gooders and the ACLU, there are no laws that could have committed Adam Lanza to a mental institution for treatment, until AFTER he had killed or threatened people.

The families of the children killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut, are bitterly clinging to the idea that that's too late.
 
Wow. TWO desperate, functionally illiterate liberals in one forum, both trying to persuade normal people that "able to get guns" somehow equates to "they gave them the guns".

Maybe the need for involuntary commitment to mental institutions is more immediate than I thought.

The good news is, neither of these two desperate liberals has actually killed anybody, yet. Or even threatened anybody that I know of. :cuckoo:
 
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Wow. TWO desperate, funtionally illiterate liberals in one forum, both trying to persuade normal people that "able to get guns" somehow equates to "they gave them the guns".

Maybe the need for involuntary commitment to mental institutions is more immediate than I thought.

The good news is, neither of these two desperate liberals has actually killed anybody, yet. Or even threatened anybody that I know of. :cuckoo:

You have yet to provide any linkage

We are still waiting
 
Wow. TWO desperate, funtionally illiterate liberals in one forum, both trying to persuade normal people that "able to get guns" somehow equates to "they gave them the guns".

Maybe the need for involuntary commitment to mental institutions is more immediate than I thought.

The good news is, neither of these two desperate liberals has actually killed anybody, yet. Or even threatened anybody that I know of.

You have yet to provide any linkage

We are still waiting

Does anyone have any idea what this person is talking about? :cuckoo:
 
Now we've had another mass shooting by a mentally ill person in Santa Barbara.

And everybody is going through the same arguments, justifications, and outrage, all over again, just like clockwork.
 
Now we've had another mass shooting by a mentally ill person in Santa Barbara.

And everybody is going through the same arguments, justifications, and outrage, all over again, just like clockwork.

You still have not provided a link on who is giving them guns..Hint: it ain't Liberals
 
Without reading the OP, and only going straight to the answer of the thread title, I'm going to say Jerry Brown's father Pat Brown.

Was I right ?
 
Where is the part where they give them the guns?

The NRA takes care of that.

Conservatives whine because the mentally ill are not locked up......but then can't wait to give them a gun

Looks like the leftist fanatics are engaged in the same circle-jerk yet again: Telling lies about conservatives, then solemnly agreeing with each other than of course the lies are true, around and around.

Do you suppose they will ever come up with either the truth, or a solution to the problem?

Available evidence indicates against it.
 
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It used to be that a citizen could petition a court to have someone committed to a mental institution, and the court could grant such committment if enough valid evidence was presented.

This changed in the 1960s and 70s.

In 1967 two Democrats and a Republican in California's state legislature came up with the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act, designed to end INVOLUNTARY commitments of mentallly ill, alcoholic, etc. people into large mental institutions. The LPS Act was hailed by liberals all over the country as putting an end to eeevil government practices of dictating to helpless victims where they would go and what treatments they would get whether they liked it or not. It was overwhelmingly passed by California's Assembly and Senate, and finally signed by Governor Ronald Reagan in 1967. Similar laws were quickly passed all over the country, advocated mostly by liberal groups and do-gooders.

The liberal ACLU kept pushing this agenda to get these patients out of mental institutions, and finally resulted in 1975 (coincidentally Reagans' last year as Governor) in the U.S. Supreme Court handing down a decision in O'Connor vs. Donaldson (422 US 563). This Court decision announced a new Constitutional right: The mentally ill could not be forced to stay in such institutions if they were not an actual threat to others. This opened the floodgates and let huge numbers of patients, in various degrees of helplessness, out of the institutions.

When it was discovered that these laws and court decisions had the effect of putting many people who could not, in fact, take care of themselves out on the street, the liberals did a fast 180, hastily forgot about their long, enthusiastic nationwide advocacy and support of the agenda, and invented a completely new accusation: That it was Ronald Reagan alone who had "kicked all those poor people out of their nice, safe hospitals and made them homeless".

From Wikipedia:

The Lanterman–Petris–Short (LPS) Act (Cal. Welf & Inst. Code, sec. 5000 et seq.) concerns the involuntary civil commitment to a mental health institution in the State of California. The act set the precedent for modern mental health commitment procedures in the United States. It was co-authored by California State Assemblyman Frank Lanterman (R) and California State Senators Nicholas C. Petris (D) and Alan Short (D), and signed into law in 1967 by Governor Ronald Reagan. The Act went into full effect on July 1, 1972. It cited seven articles of intent:

•To end the inappropriate, indefinite, and involuntary commitment of mentally disordered persons, people with developmental disabilities, and persons impaired by chronic alcoholism, and to eliminate legal disabilities;

•To provide prompt evaluation and treatment of persons with serious mental disorders or impaired by chronic alcoholism;

•To guarantee and protect public safety;

•To safeguard individual rights through judicial review;

•To provide individualized treatment, supervision, and placement services by a conservatorship program for gravely disabled persons;

•To encourage the full use of all existing agencies, professional personnel and public funds to accomplish these objectives and to prevent duplication of services and unnecessary expenditures;

•To protect mentally disordered persons and developmentally disabled persons from criminal acts.

The Act in effect ended all hospital commitments by the judiciary system, except in the case of criminal sentencing, e.g., convicted sexual offenders, and those who were "gravely disabled", defined as unable to obtain food, clothing, or housing [Conservatorship of Susan T., 8 Cal. 4th 1005 (1994)]. It did not, however, impede the right of voluntary commitments. It expanded the evaluative power of psychiatrists and created provisions and criteria for holds.
 

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