An excerpt from the excellent book, "How Democracies Die"

Bill Clinton fired 93 US attorneys at one time.

Elections have consequences.
Changing appointed prosecutors appointed by the previous president replacing them with the new presidents appointed US prosecutors, is common policy and done by every new president, silly one!

Firing CAREER prosecutors who are not appointed by any president and stay from president to president, without good cause, is illegal.
 

For some context, the authors are speaking of the litmus test used to identify authoritarian leaders.

"The final warning sign is a readiness to curtail the civil liberties of rivals and critics. One thing that separates contemporary autocrats from democratic leaders is their intolerance of criticism, and their readiness to use their power to punish those......in the opposition, media, or civil society..........who criticize them."

Justice Dept. Fires Prosecutors Who Worked on Trump Investigations


The acting attorney general on Monday fired more than a dozen prosecutors who worked on the two criminal investigations into Donald J. Trump for the special counsel Jack Smith, saying they could not be trusted to “faithfully implement” the president’s agenda, a Justice Department spokesman said.

Justice Department veterans called the firings an egregious violation of well-established laws meant to preserve the integrity and professionalism of government agencies.

What made it all the more jarring, current and former officials said, was that such a momentous and aggressive step had been initiated by an obscure acting attorney general, James McHenry, operating on behalf of a president with a stated desire for vengeance, and few advisers with the stature or inclination to restrain him.

Greg Brower, who was a U.S. attorney during the George W. Bush administration, said the move was unheard-of.

“This is unprecedented, given the career status of these people, which makes them not subject to dismissal by the president, and the apparent lack of any cause that the department has been able to articulate,” Mr. Brower said. “And so I suspect we will see them exercise their rights to appeal” to the Merit Systems Protection Board, an independent agency that reviews the claims of dismissed civil service workers and can reinstate them.


A word to trump supporters. I know you know this is wrong. The reason I know is if a Dem prez did it you would rightly be calling this an abuse of power. Because it is.

Are you going to keep allowing trump to get away with things like this without speaking up? How far he goes really is up to you. If you collectively make it known you disapprove he will stop. Or you can do nothing and idly watch this orgy of revenge continue.
Nothing happening here is Hitler like or undemocratic. When Trump does something you think he shouldn't do, it has to get past the judges and Senators. So, so far he's not been a dictator at all. He's simply trying to get his agenda implemented.

The only problem I have is will elections be rigged from now on? Because we KNOW Trump isn't above rigging an election. Clearly.
 
MAGA can’t tell the difference between appointed US attorneys and career prosecutors.
I'm beginning to think they can't see the difference between right and wrong.

The Merit Systems Protection Board, an independent agency that reviews the claims of dismissed civil service workers and can reinstate them, will weigh in on the firings.

What if they decide in favor of the career prosecutors and trump fires the members of the MSPB too? At what point do trump supporters say "I can't support this any longer?"

Do they ever get to that point?
 
Changing appointed prosecutors appointed by the previous president replacing them with the new presidents appointed US prosecutors, is common policy and done by every new president, silly one!

Firing CAREER prosecutors who are not appointed by any president and stay from president to president, without good cause, is illegal.
Yup. US Attorneys are political appointments who routinely get replaced. The folks who were fired are not US Attorneys. The firing were an example of retribution.
 
I'm beginning to think they can't see the difference between right and wrong.

The Merit Systems Protection Board, an independent agency that reviews the claims of dismissed civil service workers and can reinstate them, will weigh in on the firings.

What if they decide in favor of the career prosecutors and trump fires the members of the MSPB too? At what point do trump supporters say "I can't support this any longer?"

Do they ever get to that point?
They engage in a mental coping mechanism of substitution. I’m thinking about this more and more.

Substitute the bad thing with something more acceptable.

Trump and MAGA is creating a country where the systems and institutions we depend on, which are really just people who try to adhere to rules, are too afraid to go after Trump and MAGA.
 
Changing appointed prosecutors appointed by the previous president replacing them with the new presidents appointed US prosecutors, is common policy and done by every new president, silly one!

And should stop. If a prosecutor refuses to follow the presidents lead then they can be replaced for actual cause, not because they did their job and followed the directives of the previous president.
 
Nothing happening here is Hitler like or undemocratic. When Trump does something you think he shouldn't do, it has to get past the judges and Senators. So, so far he's not been a dictator at all. He's simply trying to get his agenda implemented.
Firing the 17 IG's was illegal. Firing career prosecutors violates civil servant guidelines.

Part of his agenda is setting himself up for unchecked power by removing, silencing, or intimidating those who would normally provide a check. Like Congress. Hegseth's confirmation being a prime example. Joni Ernst was not allowed to vote her conscience. She was coerced in to submission.
 
Yup. US Attorneys are political appointments who routinely get replaced. The folks who were fired are not US Attorneys. The firing were an example of retribution.
And to keep every other prosecutor scared to speak up, or legally do their jobs.

If they support the constitution and the rule of law, beware! They must pledge allegiance to King Trump, and not the Constitution of the United States.
 
And should stop. If a prosecutor refuses to follow the presidents lead then they can be replaced for actual cause, not because they did their job and followed the directives of the previous president.
So what did they do, to not follow the president's lead P? Nothing.
 
They engage in a mental coping mechanism of substitution. I’m thinking about this more and more.

Substitute the bad thing with something more acceptable.

Trump and MAGA is creating a country where the systems and institutions we depend on, which are really just people who try to adhere to rules, are too afraid to go after Trump and MAGA.
Obviously the entire POT is cowed by fear of trump turning the base on them. Dems are in fear of being targeted in various ways by the power of the now corrupted government.

This is what authoritarian governance looks like and the shift towards it is happening in real time RIGHT NOW. Out in the open.
 
After Oct 7th large swaths of college campuses in the U,S, large cities in the U.S and Europe had thousands of people rallying in support of the terrorist attack.

You want to know how democracies die? When you have a generation and/or new citizens who come from places that dont share your values or believe in democracy.
 
Firing the 17 IG's was illegal. Firing career prosecutors violates civil servant guidelines.

Part of his agenda is setting himself up for unchecked power by removing, silencing, or intimidating those who would normally provide a check. Like Congress. Hegseth's confirmation being a prime example. Joni Ernst was not allowed to vote her conscience. She was coerced in to submission.
Nothing he does is illegal. The Senate and House would have to charge him. He broke a norm. Giving them 30 days and a good reason. Any reason he gives, they'll accept.

And it's obvious. He's going to do away with political watch dog groups. At least ones who are paid by the government to do it. Why would you pay someone to make sure YOU don't break any laws?

And maybe he'll sick them on Democrats doing wrong. They can watch Democrats. Just don't watch him.

Elections matter. If you want a Senate and House that will hold him accountable, vote. But I think way to many people like this agenda.
 
Changing appointed prosecutors appointed by the previous president replacing them with the new presidents appointed US prosecutors, is common policy and done by every new president, silly one!

Firing CAREER prosecutors who are not appointed by any president and stay from president to president, without good cause, is illegal.

No
 
After Oct 7th large swaths of college campuses in the U,S, large cities in the U.S and Europe had thousands of people rallying in support of the terrorist attack.

You want to know how democracies die? When you have a generation and/or new citizens who come from places that dont share your values or believe in democracy.
The protests didn't begin until after Israel retaliated in response to the barbaric attack by Hamas with war crimes against people in Gaza.
 
The protests didn't begin until after Israel retaliated in response to the barbaric attack by Hamas with war crimes against people in Gaza.
B.S, the rallies started on Oct 9th and Israel didn't even respond until two weeks later.

Try that line on someone else please.
 
Obviously the entire POT is cowed by fear of trump turning the base on them. Dems are in fear of being targeted in various ways by the power of the now corrupted government.

This is what authoritarian governance looks like and the shift towards it is happening in real time RIGHT NOW. Out in the open.
:aargh::aargh::aargh::aargh::aargh::aargh::aargh::aargh::aargh::aargh::aargh::aargh:
 
Nothing he does is illegal. The Senate and House would have to charge him.
The law, passed in 2022, requiring a 30 day notice being given to Congress explaining in detail the rationale for firing a IG was broken.

What House or Senate Repub is going to be brave enough to do anything about it? No one.
 

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