American patients first: Trump orders drugmakers to match lowest global prices

Sure it does. Do you think the President should have the power to dictate prices? I don't. And I think it's a mistake to let him get away with it. Regardless of how well it polls.
Maybe I was unclear earlier about this. Whether it is a “mistake” or not might be irrelevant. I wonder if a Court will permit it.
 
It's about time.



On Monday, President Trump signed an executive order aimed at slashing prescription drug prices by requiring pharmaceutical companies to offer Americans the lowest prices they charge anywhere in the world.

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The executive order instructs the Secretary of Health and Human Services to allow Americans to purchase drugs directly from manufacturers at "Most-Favored-Nation" prices, bypassing costly middlemen.

If pharmaceutical companies refuse, the order directs HHS to impose rules mandating most-favored-nation pricing and to use "other aggressive measures" to end anticompetitive practices.
/---/ How will the libtards attack Trump for this, or will they just ignore it as if it never happened?
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Sure it does. Do you think the President should have the power to dictate prices? I don't. And I think it's a mistake to let him get away with it. Regardless of how well it polls.
/---/You're too young to remember Gerald Ford's WIN (Whip Inflation Now) that regulated prices and wages. And didn't FDR put price controls on goods and services?
 
It's not price control to want Americans to have the same that others in the world have. We should not be solely responsible to pay for the R&D costs. Prices in those other countries will go up now that we are not subsidizing them and prices will go down here.
 
It's not price control to want Americans to have the same that others in the world have.
Heh... no, it's still price control. You may think you have a good reason for it. Socialists always do.
 
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/---/You're too young to remember Gerald Ford's WIN (Whip Inflation Now) that regulated prices and wages. And didn't FDR put price controls on goods and services?
I remember the Ford fiasco. One of his worst blunders. Trump is just as dumb.
 
Maybe I was unclear earlier about this. Whether it is a “mistake” or not might be irrelevant. I wonder if a Court will permit it.
You still are unclear. Do support the proposed policy or not?
 
Maybe I was unclear earlier about this. Whether it is a “mistake” or not might be irrelevant. I wonder if a Court will permit it.

/---/ How will the libtards attack Trump for this, or will they just ignore it as if it never happened?
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He does as this only pertains to Medicare and Medicaid.

It's not price control to want Americans to have the same that others in the world have. We should not be solely responsible to pay for the R&D costs. Prices in those other countries will go up now that we are not subsidizing them and prices will go down here.


EDUCATION TIME, then decide your position in this matter-----------> a drug company spends BILLIONS to bring a drug to market, when averaged over the drugs it succeeds in bringing to the market. But here is the rub with that-------->Americans pay 85% of that cost to get it there; to the market, in the 1st place.

Why is that?

SIMPLE------------->Name your favorite/least favorite drug company........makes zero difference which one you choose...........at the end of today releases a drug that cures 80% of cancers! How MUCH is that drug worth my friends? Billions? Trillions? They can charge 2000.00 per dose, or more......easy, correct? Yeah, in the United States they can, most everywhere else after 3 months or so, not so much!

Why not? What is the difference?

Because China/Russia/and everyone else is going to buy a few doses, and REVERSE engineer it! The billions have already been spent on the R and D, all they have to is pull the product apart, and find out what is in it, and at what levels. And sooooo, they may sell their doses at 35 bucks, making 250% profit...........and sell it to whatever country who refuses to pay the freight.

And so, pick a country with National Healthcare funded by the government. Government is going to want to pay 2000 per dose, or 35 bucks? Hmmmmmmm, 2000, or 35, 2000 or 35, 2000 or 35. How many of you picked 2000, lol.

Now mind you, the ORIGINAL DRUG company can also sell at 35 bucks making a 250% profit between the cost to produce, and the cost for sale; BUT...............it would take decades to get back their original BILLIONS investment to bring that drug to market, possibly a century, and patents on drugs do not last that long.

THEREFORE, the 2 tier charge system. The USA has all these PROTECTIONS, so YOU are the finance arm of BIG PHARMA, and most of the rest of the world are recipients of your FORCED kindness. The other jurisdictions cut deals to exclusively use our pharma products, (probably produced in China by the way) but at much lower cost to guarantee exclusivity in that region. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, our government can NOT allow you to import the same drugs from Canada, or anywhere else.....for if they do, most all Americans would do it, and put the pharma industry back into an uncomfortable position.

SO WHAT IS THE OUTCOME OF THIS EO IF UPHELD-------------> You WILL get lower drug prices by an exponential amount. BUT, you will get far fewer, new, cutting edge drugs. The more the illness is streamlined to fewer people, the less they will be inclined to search for a cure; as without millions needing the remedy, there is no way they can recoup the R and D costs.

Neither side of this debate is wrong; there is no correct answer between the two. Either choice is bad......bad for Americans, or bad for the world. Hopefully, some middle ground can be found, but then again, how the USA would stop knock offs from being produced is beyond me. As of now, they are unable to stop even fentanyl from being produced. This is a quandary that most people didn't even know existed, so have no clue how to solve it including most of us, because the reality is much more convoluted and complex than we ever knew.
 
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EDUCATION TIME, then decide your position in this matter-----------> a drug company spends BILLIONS to bring a drug to market, when averaged over the drugs it succeeds in bringing to the market. But here is the rub with that-------->Americans pay 85% of that cost to get it there; to the market, in the 1st place.

Why is that?

SIMPLE------------->Name your favorite/least favorite drug company........makes zero difference which one you choose...........at the end of today releases a drug that cures 80% of cancers! How MUCH is that drug worth my friends? Billions? Trillions? They can charge 2000.00 per dose, or more......easy, correct? Yeah, in the United States they can, most everywhere else after 3 months or so, not so much!

Why not? What is the difference?

Because China/Russia/and everyone else is going to buy a few doses, and REVERSE engineer it! The billions have already been spent on the R and D, all they have to is pull the product apart, and find out what is in it, and at what levels. And sooooo, they may sell their doses at 35 bucks, making 250% profit...........and sell it to whatever country who refuses to pay the freight.

And so, pick a country with National Healthcare funded by the government. Government is going to want to pay 2000 per dose, or 35 bucks? Hmmmmmmm, 2000, or 35, 2000 or 35, 2000 or 35. How many of you picked 2000, lol.

Now mind you, the ORIGINAL DRUG company can also sell at 35 bucks making a 250% profit between the cost to produce, and the cost for sale; BUT...............it would take decades to get back their original BILLIONS investment to bring that drug to market, possibly a century, and patents on drugs do not last that long.

THEREFORE, the 2 tier charge system. The USA has all these PROTECTIONS, so YOU are the finance arm of BIG PHARMA, and most of the rest of the world are recipients of your FORCED kindness. The other jurisdictions cut deals to exclusively use our pharma products, (probably produced in China by the way) but at much lower cost to guarantee exclusivity in that region. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, our government can NOT allow you to import the same drugs from Canada, or anywhere else.....for if they do, most all Americans would do it, and put the pharma industry back into an uncomfortable position.

SO WHAT IS THE OUTCOME OF THIS EO IF UPHELD-------------> You WILL get lower drug prices by an exponential amount. BUT, you will get far fewer, new, cutting edge drugs. The more the illness is streamlined to fewer people, the less they will be inclined to search for a cure; as without millions needing the remedy, there is no way they can recoup the R and D costs.

Neither side of this debate is wrong; there is no correct answer between the two. Either choice is bad......bad for Americans, or bad for the world. Hopefully, some middle ground can be found, but then again, how the USA would stop knock offs from being produced is beyond me. As of now, they are unable to stop even fentanyl from being produced. This is a quandary that most people didn't even know existed, so have no clue how to solve it including most of us, because the reality is much more convoluted and complex than we ever knew.
/----/ "EDUCATION TIME, then decide your position in this matter-----------> a drug company spends BILLIONS to bring a drug to market, ...."
Education time? I've posted many times I was a pharmaceutical rep for a major drug company for 8 years.
 
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/----/ "EDUCATION TIME, then decide your position in this matter-----------> a drug company spends BILLIONS to bring a drug to market, ...."
Education time? I've posted many times I was a pharmaceutical rep for a major drug company for 8 years.
why do they spend whatever they spend on advertising?....the commercials are pretty stupid....
 
why do they spend whatever they spend on advertising?....the commercials are pretty stupid....
/----/ Good questions. When I was a rep, we could see and talk to a doctor for about 5 minutes. If you ever read the package insert material in a prescription, you'd understand the extensive information on each drug. I only had three Rxs so it was a challenge to cover each effectively.
The next option is magazine advertising, but even then there was no guarantee the doctor would read it.
The pharma companies started using TV ads because it reached the patients who would then "ask the doctor if Malomars are right for me." This pushes the doc to actually read the material.
As far as the dumb ads, I agree, but each industry has its own style of advertising. I spent a decade as a copywriter and designer in NY ad agencies.
Doctors are peculiar individuals, and you have to cater to their tastes.
Banks have their own style of ads, which are dull and conservative.
Car ads are another one. Caddy Lincoln Mercedes ads are starkly different from Kia and Toyota.
Hope that ansers your question.
 
The fed gov doesnt have the authority to do that, though.
Its price fixing. Its what Kamala wanted to do and people freaked out.
It's different when they do it.
 

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