American patients first: Trump orders drugmakers to match lowest global prices

[The Sage of Main Street]

Lobbying is something that needs to be talked about in D.C. and to us the people.

Representative government is for sales reps

 

[HikerGuy83]

On Monday, President Trump signed an executive order aimed at slashing prescription drug prices by requiring pharmaceutical companies to offer Americans the lowest prices they charge anywhere in the world.

Can you please show me where in the Constitution he has the power to do this ?

If pharmaceutical companies refuse, the order directs HHS to impose rules mandating most-favored-nation pricing and to use "other aggressive measures" to end anticompetitive practices.

If he can show anticompetative prices, then he should have them in court under anti-trust laws.

 

[Edgetho]

Can you please show me where in the Constitution he has the power to do this ?

Article II of the Constitution. I bet if you got a lawyer and sued, you could get most of your money back for that phony degree

If he can show anticompetative prices, then he should have them in court under anti-trust laws.

That's the plan. But it takes time. Unlike your preferred style of government (totalitarianism) Republics move very slowly. It's to make sure we get it right.

 

[CowboyTed]

You operate as programmed.

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This is MAGA... They haven't a clue what conservative beliefs....

They are a cult....

They are basically clueless...

BTW, there is no ******* way Trump is doing this... The Pharama lobby is huge and he better chance getting that plane...

Biden tried this too, I do wish Trump the best on this one but I don't hold any hope...

 

[CowboyTed]

Idiot. Trump's EO is ANTI-Price Control.

No wonder you're a dim

But he just announced price controls on drug manufactures....

Do you not get it....

 

[rightwinger]

I congratulate Trump on this one.
Should have been done decades ago.

No reason Americans should have to cross into Canada or Mexico to get drugs at less than half the price

 

[CowboyTed]

I congratulate Trump on this one.
Should have been done decades ago.

No reason Americans should have to cross into Canada or Mexico to get drugs at more than half the price

Agree with you...

Biden was trying to do this as well. It doesn't matter how it gets done....

Trump still tries to push the narrative that US is paying for other countries.. Sorry but that is bullshit, other countries just negotiate... There is a law to stop Medicare and Medicaid doing that, US taxpayers bought in a law which stops them making a deal for US taxpayers...
Democrats would be behind this one... GOP is more against this in Congress and the Senate... But don't care, if Trump can get it

 

[dblack]

Agree with you...

Biden was trying to do this as well. It doesn't matter how it gets done....

Trump still tries to push the narrative that US is paying for other countries.. Sorry but that is bullshit, other countries just negotiate... There is a law to stop Medicare and Medicaid doing that, US taxpayers bought in a law which stops them making a deal for US taxpayers...
Democrats would be behind this one... GOP is more against this in Congress and the Senate... But don't care, if Trump can get it

This is exactly what I've been saying for years. Trump is more onboard with progressives than they want to admit. Than MAGA wants to admit. The only real problem Dems have with his EO is that they didn't initiate it.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Article II of the Constitution. I bet if you got a lawyer and sued, you could get most of your money back for that phony degree


That's the plan. But it takes time. Unlike your preferred style of government (totalitarianism) Republics move very slowly. It's to make sure we get it right.

And I'll bet that if you kept any context, you'd know I am more conservative than you are.

Your claim of article II is total crap and it's people like you that have concentrated all that power in D.C.

Thank you for your efforts. Now, please find a cliff and do us all a favor.

You didn't get it right....not even close.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Trump is more onboard with progressives than they want to admit.

Oh, we know it. But he's still a better bet than the other side.

Especially when it comes to the SCOTUS. Please don't tell me you'd rather see 3 more Kagens on there as opposed to the all-stars he put there in his first term.

 

[HikerGuy83]

I bet if you got a lawyer and sued, you could get most of your money back for that phony degree

And I'll bet that you were dropped on your head several times as a child.

 

[MayorQuimby]

My take:

Trump's move to force drug companies to keep prices at certain levels is technically against what the Right believe in. It doesn't matter whether the end result is good for the people or not, the fact stands that he is doing what he (probably) says he's against. Then again, this doesn't surprise me, because very few politicians do or say anything out of genuine belief/conviction. Trump is doing this to make himself more popular with people, that's all. He goes against what the Right/Republicans believe in, because he does not have any political convictions whatsoever. Behind closed doors, and in his heart of hearts, he doesn't give a shit about whether this is price control, whether price control is socialism, whether socialism is good, whether it's morally justifiable to force private companies to charge certain prices for their proprietary products....etc. He doesn't care about any of that stuff. He did this purely to win people's hearts and then later on, maybe their votes. Trust me, he doesn't give a shit.

 

[OldFlame]

/-----/ Then how the hell do the pharma companies reach their only customers, the prescribing doctors? How do the doctors learn about new drugs and new uses for the existing drugs? Smoke signals? Carrier Pigeons?

All of these doctors work for huge medical conglomerates who should have a division that researches new medicines, and which are most effective to pass on to their medical staff in training. It's not that complicated.

 

[Edgetho]

My take:

Trump's move to force drug companies to keep prices at certain levels is technically against what the Right believe in. It doesn't matter whether the end result is good for the people or not, the fact stands that he is doing what he (probably) says he's against. Then again, this doesn't surprise me, because very few politicians do or say anything out of genuine belief/conviction. Trump is doing this to make himself more popular with people, that's all. He goes against what the Right/Republicans believe in, because he does not have any political convictions whatsoever. Behind closed doors, and in his heart of hearts, he doesn't give a shit about whether this is price control, whether price control is socialism, whether socialism is good, whether it's morally justifiable to force private companies to charge certain prices for their proprietary products....etc. He doesn't care about any of that stuff. He did this purely to win people's hearts and then later on, maybe their votes. Trust me, he doesn't give a shit.

So you're here to tell us what we believe? Wonderful. You're so smart.

Trump did this because the Deep State, aka; the corrupt Judiciary blocked him last time around.

All any of you know is what the DISGUSTING FILTH tells you. And they are lying pathological propagandist scum. I've said this time and again -- Trump could personally find a Cure For Cancer and dimocrap scum would be against it. That's how diseased you people are. Sick. Depraved. And most of all -- Stupid and Weak-Minded.

AI gathered from internet search --

1. Disclosure of Drug Prices in TV Ads:

• The Trump administration attempted to implement a rule requiring drug companies to disclose list prices of drugs in their television advertisements.
• This rule was intended to increase transparency and pressure drug companies to lower prices.
• However, a federal judge blocked the rule in 2019, ruling that the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) lacked the authority to mandate such disclosures in advertising.
• This ruling was a setback for the Trump administration's efforts to regulate drug pricing.

2. "Most Favored Nation" Pricing Model:

• The Trump administration also pursued a policy known as the "Most Favored Nation" model, which aimed to tie Medicare drug prices to the lowest prices paid in other developed countries.
• This policy was intended to lower drug prices for Medicare beneficiaries.
• However, this initiative also faced legal challenges and was ultimately halted by a federal judge.
• The judge ruled that the administration had failed to follow proper procedures, specifically not providing the public with an opportunity to comment on the proposed rule.

3. General Court Challenges to Drug Pricing Rules:

• Overall, the pharmaceutical industry actively resisted many of the Trump administration's attempts to lower drug prices.
• Drug companies and their lobbying groups frequently filed lawsuits challenging these initiatives.
• These legal challenges often centered on claims that the administration was exceeding its authority or violating due process.

In summary: While the Trump administration publicly advocated for lower drug prices and pursued various initiatives aimed at achieving this goal, some of these efforts were blocked or hampered by successful court challenges from the pharmaceutical industry.

 

[MayorQuimby]

So you're here to tell us what we believe? Wonderful. You're so smart.

Trump did this because the Deep State, aka; the corrupt Judiciary blocked him last time around.

All any of you know is what the DISGUSTING FILTH tells you. And they are pathological propagandist lying scum I've said this time and again -- Trump could personally find a Cure For Cancer and dimocrap scum would be against it. That's how diseased you people are. Sick. Depraved. And most of all -- Stupid and Weak-Minded.

AI gathered from internet search --

1. Disclosure of Drug Prices in TV Ads:

• The Trump administration attempted to implement a rule requiring drug companies to disclose list prices of drugs in their television advertisements.
• This rule was intended to increase transparency and pressure drug companies to lower prices.
• However, a federal judge blocked the rule in 2019, ruling that the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) lacked the authority to mandate such disclosures in advertising.
• This ruling was a setback for the Trump administration's efforts to regulate drug pricing.

2. "Most Favored Nation" Pricing Model:

• The Trump administration also pursued a policy known as the "Most Favored Nation" model, which aimed to tie Medicare drug prices to the lowest prices paid in other developed countries.
• This policy was intended to lower drug prices for Medicare beneficiaries.
• However, this initiative also faced legal challenges and was ultimately halted by a federal judge.
• The judge ruled that the administration had failed to follow proper procedures, specifically not providing the public with an opportunity to comment on the proposed rule.

3. General Court Challenges to Drug Pricing Rules:

• Overall, the pharmaceutical industry actively resisted many of the Trump administration's attempts to lower drug prices.
• Drug companies and their lobbying groups frequently filed lawsuits challenging these initiatives.
• These legal challenges often centered on claims that the administration was exceeding its authority or violating due process.

In summary: While the Trump administration publicly advocated for lower drug prices and pursued various initiatives aimed at achieving this goal, some of these efforts were blocked or hampered by successful court challenges from the pharmaceutical industry.

Take it easy buckaroo. I hate Democrats, too, and probably more than you do. But that does not mean I like Trump or that now I think Trump is genuinely for the people. He says he is fighting the Deep State, but that's only because that's what people want. He does not care, furthermore, he is part of the Deep State. His daughter is married to a J*w and his grandchildren are J*wish.

I would still applaud Trump and cheer him on, because his actions are doing Americans good. But that does not mean he is now a good guy to me. No. He is just another politician, he is no different from the rest of them.

 

[MayorQuimby]

/—-/ My first clue was you using detail people. We stopped using that term in 1980.

I am not sure why this means anything. Maybe the term "detail people" is outdated, but the spirit still lives on. Nowadays they are called drug reps (short for representatives) and as far as I know they are still around.

 

[Cellblock2429]

I am not sure why this means anything. Maybe the term "detail people" is outdated, but the spirit still lives on. Nowadays they are called drug reps (short for representatives) and as far as I know they are still around.

/----/ Drug Reps from the 1980s, Pharaceutical Reps from the 1990s, and Pharma Reps today. THe profession transitioned from 90% male-dominated to almost all young, hot female reps today. Why? Because they can get to see the doctor while the male reps sit in the lobby.
It's a terrible job nowadays. The reps carry iPads, and phones so their managers can track them during the day. Micromanagement that didn't exist in my day. Unless my manager was working with me, I had the day to myself without being pestered.
My daughter graduated with a biology degree, and recruiters at her school tried to hire her. She knew how bad it was and turned them down.

 

[MayorQuimby]

/----/ Drug Reps from the 1980s, Pharaceutical Reps from the 1990s, and Pharma Reps today. THe profession transitioned from 90% male-dominated to almost all young, hot female reps today. Why? Because they can get to see the doctor while the male reps sit in the lobby.
It's a terrible job nowadays. The reps carry iPads, and phones so their managers can track them during the day. Micromanagement that didn't exist in my day. Unless my manager was working with me, I had the day to myself without being pestered.
My daughter graduated with a biology degree, and recruiters at her school tried to hire her. She knew how bad it was and turned them down.

Thanks for the anecdote but I fail to see how it had anything to do with the conversation at hand.

 

[imawhosure]

My take:

Trump's move to force drug companies to keep prices at certain levels is technically against what the Right believe in. It doesn't matter whether the end result is good for the people or not, the fact stands that he is doing what he (probably) says he's against. Then again, this doesn't surprise me, because very few politicians do or say anything out of genuine belief/conviction. Trump is doing this to make himself more popular with people, that's all. He goes against what the Right/Republicans believe in, because he does not have any political convictions whatsoever. Behind closed doors, and in his heart of hearts, he doesn't give a shit about whether this is price control, whether price control is socialism, whether socialism is good, whether it's morally justifiable to force private companies to charge certain prices for their proprietary products....etc. He doesn't care about any of that stuff. He did this purely to win people's hearts and then later on, maybe their votes. Trust me, he doesn't give a shit.

I would agree with you, except for 1 reality------------>if the drug companies drop their MONOPOLY on forcing the United States to buy at the prices they say. Let Americans buy from outside the MONOPOLY that congress and lobbyists have set up, to PROTECT the profits of big Pharma.

 

[MayorQuimby]

I would agree with you, except for 1 reality------------>if the drug companies drop their MONOPOLY on forcing the United States to buy at the prices they say. Let Americans buy from outside the MONOPOLY that congress and lobbyists have set up, to PROTECT the profits of big Pharma.

This isn't about the drug companies or whether it was a good move. My post is more about Trump being some run of the mill, fake politician just like the rest. He doesn't truly care.