Ria_Longhorn
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rylah, a brother can never be a friend . . . but a friend can be a brother.
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Well, the way things are going in this nation, it looks as if in the coming decades, many Jewish Americans will be forced to emigrate to Israel.
The future of this nation is very grim, indeed.
Don't lose hope.
And please don't take it cynically,
but G-d does guard the friends of Israel.
The choice is Yours folks, Jews will end up in Israel anyway.
The choice is Yours, nationally, either to assist and hold true to friendship,
or G-d forbid turn against us...which I sincerely don't wish for my American friends.
Don't loose hope, Your country is unique, and founded in great values and merit,
You're in faith crisis, and You couldn't wish for a more archetypal friend to solve that in the most meaningful, sincere and constructive way.
We might have much disagreements personally, but I believe in Your good and wish You all well,
really, even if I answer harshly to some american a....holes, You still have a friend, maybe small in numbers, but not just another friend... G-d will reward Your nation greatly for supporting mine,
and G-d forbid we end on opposite side - it won't be our first, but I don't wish that to America.
You've got a Xerox in the WH, just try to hold the line, and You will be rewarded accordingly.
Don't lose hope.
I do not understand your "Xerox" reference, but thanks for the good wishes.
Maybe I'm referring the wrong Western version of the name,
king Koresh A"H (Xerox), who was actually the secret son of queen Esther A"H,
decreed the Jews were allowed to return to Judea and start building the Temple.
Prophet Yeshayah A"H referred to him as G-d's protege, literally "Xerox His anointed".
I think You know whom I'm referring to.
If you are referring to whom I think you are, he would no doubt be very much flattered by your praise.
Exactly, good said - sharing the wisdom (among the other things). Saying wisdom you obviously meant sharing Jewish teachings and philosophy.care of that, our job is to try and fix the world in a constructive manner for the sake of all humanity - think king Shlomah A"H - peace, cooperation, sharing respect and wisdom
But how this sharing corresponds with a prominent now idea of gathering Jews in Israel as much as possible? Yes, I understand that Israel and Jerusalem are a vital part for Jews, and I am not going to question this or diminish the significance of Israel's existence.
But, who will remain in the outside world to promote your views and the word of God? Won't it be that the Jews will live in their enclosed world there with little cooperation with other people (I mean intellectual and philosophical cooperation).
The Jews communities have a reputation of closed communities. They are not too eager to invite strangers. And gathering 'all' Jews in one place will lead to even more 'closing'. I think that trend should be opposite - you should be opening to the world (of course with development of Israel).
I know that proselytizing is not greeted among the Jews. And I dont call on you to do that, especially in a form that some Christian denominations do. No, it is absurd. But you definitely should be 'moving' onward while the trend now is moving inward.
Can you elaborate what you mean in that?thing will be required
is a reform of social framework to fit each nation's character.
Can you elaborate what you mean in that?thing will be required
is a reform of social framework to fit each nation's character.
Yes, strong independent Israel is a vital part. That is beyond the question.
How can it be done in practice? Of course, modern technologies should be used - social networks, YouTube, internet sites etc. But that is not enough, I think. You should work 'in the field' - 'educational' centers, literature and so on.
You know what? My home is virtually next door to the Jewish Center of the town. And I often pass by it. And I can't remember any instance when I would see some invitation to come and learn about Torah or holidays or something similar. I should add that I have lived in this place 3 years, so I can't say what was before it.
Referring to a biological brother as "friend" downgrades the relationship; a brother is a brother -- you'd do anything for him, which is why when one refers to one's best friend as "brother", it is the ultimate term one can employ to show the high esteem you hold that friend in.rylah, a brother can never be a friend . . . but a friend can be a brother.
Can You please elaborate?
I'd frame it as of being a guarantor for each other, a friend or a brother.
You mean that there are three stages of Judaism development and now we are entering (or already are) the third stage? The stage of 'international' Judaism?Can you elaborate what you mean in that?thing will be required
is a reform of social framework to fit each nation's character.
Yes, strong independent Israel is a vital part. That is beyond the question.
How can it be done in practice? Of course, modern technologies should be used - social networks, YouTube, internet sites etc. But that is not enough, I think. You should work 'in the field' - 'educational' centers, literature and so on.
You know what? My home is virtually next door to the Jewish Center of the town. And I often pass by it. And I can't remember any instance when I would see some invitation to come and learn about Torah or holidays or something similar. I should add that I have lived in this place 3 years, so I can't say what was before it.
There's a national education day in the US,
initiated by the Rebbe.
That's the stage, character of Yeshurun,
essentially a universalist leftist vision, in its corrected version.
Whom You have there is essentially Ya'akov, a religious diaspora mode shteitel.
Ya'akov- Israel- Yeshurun.
Referring to a biological brother as "friend" downgrades the relationship; a brother is a brother -- you'd do anything for him, which is why when one refers to one's best friend as "brother", it is the ultimate term one can employ to show the high esteem you hold that friend in.rylah, a brother can never be a friend . . . but a friend can be a brother.
Can You please elaborate?
I'd frame it as of being a guarantor for each other, a friend or a brother.
You mean that there are three stages of Judaism development and now we are entering (or already are) the third stage? The stage of 'international' Judaism?Can you elaborate what you mean in that?thing will be required
is a reform of social framework to fit each nation's character.
Yes, strong independent Israel is a vital part. That is beyond the question.
How can it be done in practice? Of course, modern technologies should be used - social networks, YouTube, internet sites etc. But that is not enough, I think. You should work 'in the field' - 'educational' centers, literature and so on.
You know what? My home is virtually next door to the Jewish Center of the town. And I often pass by it. And I can't remember any instance when I would see some invitation to come and learn about Torah or holidays or something similar. I should add that I have lived in this place 3 years, so I can't say what was before it.
There's a national education day in the US,
initiated by the Rebbe.
That's the stage, character of Yeshurun,
essentially a universalist leftist vision, in its corrected version.
Whom You have there is essentially Ya'akov, a religious diaspora mode shteitel.
Ya'akov- Israel- Yeshurun.
Conspiracy theories is the last thing you should worry about. They have always been and will always be.You mean that there are three stages of Judaism development and now we are entering (or already are) the third stage? The stage of 'international' Judaism?Can you elaborate what you mean in that?thing will be required
is a reform of social framework to fit each nation's character.
Yes, strong independent Israel is a vital part. That is beyond the question.
How can it be done in practice? Of course, modern technologies should be used - social networks, YouTube, internet sites etc. But that is not enough, I think. You should work 'in the field' - 'educational' centers, literature and so on.
You know what? My home is virtually next door to the Jewish Center of the town. And I often pass by it. And I can't remember any instance when I would see some invitation to come and learn about Torah or holidays or something similar. I should add that I have lived in this place 3 years, so I can't say what was before it.
There's a national education day in the US,
initiated by the Rebbe.
That's the stage, character of Yeshurun,
essentially a universalist leftist vision, in its corrected version.
Whom You have there is essentially Ya'akov, a religious diaspora mode shteitel.
Ya'akov- Israel- Yeshurun.
Hhh, yes, the expression of the universal character.
I just laughed at how it sounds out loud in this manner...conspiracy nuts go
Conspiracy theories is the last thing you should worry about. They have always been and will always be.You mean that there are three stages of Judaism development and now we are entering (or already are) the third stage? The stage of 'international' Judaism?Can you elaborate what you mean in that?thing will be required
is a reform of social framework to fit each nation's character.
Yes, strong independent Israel is a vital part. That is beyond the question.
How can it be done in practice? Of course, modern technologies should be used - social networks, YouTube, internet sites etc. But that is not enough, I think. You should work 'in the field' - 'educational' centers, literature and so on.
You know what? My home is virtually next door to the Jewish Center of the town. And I often pass by it. And I can't remember any instance when I would see some invitation to come and learn about Torah or holidays or something similar. I should add that I have lived in this place 3 years, so I can't say what was before it.
There's a national education day in the US,
initiated by the Rebbe.
That's the stage, character of Yeshurun,
essentially a universalist leftist vision, in its corrected version.
Whom You have there is essentially Ya'akov, a religious diaspora mode shteitel.
Ya'akov- Israel- Yeshurun.
Hhh, yes, the expression of the universal character.
I just laughed at how it sounds out loud in this manner...conspiracy nuts go
Jews don't want to lose their bloodline. As a goy that's had several princess girlfriends..I understand.Exactly, good said - sharing the wisdom (among the other things). Saying wisdom you obviously meant sharing Jewish teachings and philosophy.care of that, our job is to try and fix the world in a constructive manner for the sake of all humanity - think king Shlomah A"H - peace, cooperation, sharing respect and wisdom
But how this sharing corresponds with a prominent now idea of gathering Jews in Israel as much as possible? Yes, I understand that Israel and Jerusalem are a vital part for Jews, and I am not going to question this or diminish the significance of Israel's existence.
But, who will remain in the outside world to promote your views and the word of God? Won't it be that the Jews will live in their enclosed world there with little cooperation with other people (I mean intellectual and philosophical cooperation).
The Jews communities have a reputation of closed communities. They are not too eager to invite strangers. And gathering 'all' Jews in one place will lead to even more 'closing'. I think that trend should be opposite - you should be opening to the world (of course with development of Israel).
I know that proselytizing is not greeted among the Jews. And I dont call on you to do that, especially in a form that some Christian denominations do. No, it is absurd. But you definitely should be 'moving' onward while the trend now is moving inward.
Exactly, good said - sharing the wisdom (among the other things). Saying wisdom you obviously meant sharing Jewish teachings and philosophy.care of that, our job is to try and fix the world in a constructive manner for the sake of all humanity - think king Shlomah A"H - peace, cooperation, sharing respect and wisdom
But how this sharing corresponds with a prominent now idea of gathering Jews in Israel as much as possible? Yes, I understand that Israel and Jerusalem are a vital part for Jews, and I am not going to question this or diminish the significance of Israel's existence.
But, who will remain in the outside world to promote your views and the word of God? Won't it be that the Jews will live in their enclosed world there with little cooperation with other people (I mean intellectual and philosophical cooperation).
The Jews communities have a reputation of closed communities. They are not too eager to invite strangers. And gathering 'all' Jews in one place will lead to even more 'closing'. I think that trend should be opposite - you should be opening to the world (of course with development of Israel).
I know that proselytizing is not greeted among the Jews. And I dont call on you to do that, especially in a form that some Christian denominations do. No, it is absurd. But you definitely should be 'moving' onward while the trend now is moving inward.
Interesting question.
Philosophically there might be a seeming contradiction, namely because philosophy was a response to end of prophecy, but practically it makes all the sense.
We have to separate the vision of a corrected world of "filled the earth with knowledge of G-d"(Yishayahu 11:9) and the practical ways to get there, or at least what involves our human work in the world as it is.
When earth is filled with G-d's knowledge, we are talking about practically same material reality,
paired with the abnormality of a healthy human society, the abnormality of peace, total clarity in G-d's presence, no influence of evil inclination, and every child is a prophet.
The practical questions will be totally different - how to serve G-d, live in His presence.
But the wisdom it's all there...'in the air'...the only thing will be required
is a reform of social framework to fit each nation's character.
But we're not quiet there yet right?
Practically, so that this 'opening up' makes sense,
we need a majority in the land of Israel, it's beyond the corner.
And that's exactly what doesn't make sense to Seth Rogan,
because he wants a universalist vision without having the core base.
A totally legit cause, only confused in twisted terms of foreign fashions.
But there're steps, almost natural physics - Ya'akov, Yisrael and then Yeshurun.
Otherwise our purpose would be fulfilled with just being a wandering Ya'akov
merely sharing wisdom among the nations, but that's not the purpose.
And that's why he has an identity crisis...do check his new movie.
In our modern terms - this will be the job of foreign ministry.
Even if we take the framework of emissaries, they don't need their families there, or stay there,
they will hurry back home where they are not limited in the commandments they can merit fulfill.
And look around what technology allows, it's purpose is essentially that.
To bring Jews on the 'wings of eagles' - when was that prophecy said?
Jews don't want to lose their bloodline. As a goy that's had several princess girlfriends..I understand.Exactly, good said - sharing the wisdom (among the other things). Saying wisdom you obviously meant sharing Jewish teachings and philosophy.care of that, our job is to try and fix the world in a constructive manner for the sake of all humanity - think king Shlomah A"H - peace, cooperation, sharing respect and wisdom
But how this sharing corresponds with a prominent now idea of gathering Jews in Israel as much as possible? Yes, I understand that Israel and Jerusalem are a vital part for Jews, and I am not going to question this or diminish the significance of Israel's existence.
But, who will remain in the outside world to promote your views and the word of God? Won't it be that the Jews will live in their enclosed world there with little cooperation with other people (I mean intellectual and philosophical cooperation).
The Jews communities have a reputation of closed communities. They are not too eager to invite strangers. And gathering 'all' Jews in one place will lead to even more 'closing'. I think that trend should be opposite - you should be opening to the world (of course with development of Israel).
I know that proselytizing is not greeted among the Jews. And I dont call on you to do that, especially in a form that some Christian denominations do. No, it is absurd. But you definitely should be 'moving' onward while the trend now is moving inward.
Actually I knew way before that when my sister's music teacher was in an all-Jewish building.
Also, I think that there should be a basis around which will be build a 'universal' Judaism. There should be a 'scripture' for Noahides based on Torah and Jewish knowledge. A single book where all main principles will be gathered - commandments, laws, prayers, some philosophical principles and so on. In other words, a book which explains who is a Noahide and what you should do.Conspiracy theories is the last thing you should worry about. They have always been and will always be.You mean that there are three stages of Judaism development and now we are entering (or already are) the third stage? The stage of 'international' Judaism?Can you elaborate what you mean in that?thing will be required
is a reform of social framework to fit each nation's character.
Yes, strong independent Israel is a vital part. That is beyond the question.
How can it be done in practice? Of course, modern technologies should be used - social networks, YouTube, internet sites etc. But that is not enough, I think. You should work 'in the field' - 'educational' centers, literature and so on.
You know what? My home is virtually next door to the Jewish Center of the town. And I often pass by it. And I can't remember any instance when I would see some invitation to come and learn about Torah or holidays or something similar. I should add that I have lived in this place 3 years, so I can't say what was before it.
There's a national education day in the US,
initiated by the Rebbe.
That's the stage, character of Yeshurun,
essentially a universalist leftist vision, in its corrected version.
Whom You have there is essentially Ya'akov, a religious diaspora mode shteitel.
Ya'akov- Israel- Yeshurun.
Hhh, yes, the expression of the universal character.
I just laughed at how it sounds out loud in this manner...conspiracy nuts go
Wait till they see PM Netanyahu's signature and that of Rabbinical authorities,
among the new Noahide prayer book opening letters of agreements.
But that's what all the Lefitsts actually yearn for, the holistic universal vision of Tikkun 'Olam,
only they usually miss the point in their confused, detached from heritage, uncorrected ways.
I myself still find it a bit difficult to digest,
but how exciting is that!
Also, I think that there should be a basis around which will be build a 'universal' Judaism. There should be a 'scripture' for Noahides based on Torah and Jewish knowledge. A single book where all main principles will be gathered - commandments, laws, prayers, some philosophical principles and so on. In other words, a book which explains who is a Noahide and what you should do.Conspiracy theories is the last thing you should worry about. They have always been and will always be.You mean that there are three stages of Judaism development and now we are entering (or already are) the third stage? The stage of 'international' Judaism?Can you elaborate what you mean in that?thing will be required
is a reform of social framework to fit each nation's character.
Yes, strong independent Israel is a vital part. That is beyond the question.
How can it be done in practice? Of course, modern technologies should be used - social networks, YouTube, internet sites etc. But that is not enough, I think. You should work 'in the field' - 'educational' centers, literature and so on.
You know what? My home is virtually next door to the Jewish Center of the town. And I often pass by it. And I can't remember any instance when I would see some invitation to come and learn about Torah or holidays or something similar. I should add that I have lived in this place 3 years, so I can't say what was before it.
There's a national education day in the US,
initiated by the Rebbe.
That's the stage, character of Yeshurun,
essentially a universalist leftist vision, in its corrected version.
Whom You have there is essentially Ya'akov, a religious diaspora mode shteitel.
Ya'akov- Israel- Yeshurun.
Hhh, yes, the expression of the universal character.
I just laughed at how it sounds out loud in this manner...conspiracy nuts go
Wait till they see PM Netanyahu's signature and that of Rabbinical authorities,
among the new Noahide prayer book opening letters of agreements.
But that's what all the Lefitsts actually yearn for, the holistic universal vision of Tikkun 'Olam,
only they usually miss the point in their confused, detached from heritage, uncorrected ways.
I myself still find it a bit difficult to digest,
but how exciting is that!
Yes, there are the Noahide laws but they are the roots that should give a rise to a big tree with a strong stem and a wide crown.
I have one more question. You wrote about the stage of Judaism. And if I understand correctly, you placed so called ultra-Orthodoxes to the first stage. You consider their ideas to be outdated? Do I get it right?
Half of Ashkenazi orthodoxy and common folk are in diaspora,
facing a real existential crisis.
That’s true.
I feel like taking a spaceship, like in ”Interstellar”, and looking for a wormhole.