American Jewry, It's time to come home

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I hope and pray that each and every one of you believes that we all here love you so much.

To my friends all over the world, and specifically in America,

There is a wonderful teaching from Rebbe Nahman of Breslov. It’s found right in between the first and second parts of Likutei Moharan, titled “Ehad Haya Avraham.”

In this powerful teaching, Rebbe Nahman explores the character of Avraham Avinu (Abraham our Patriarch). What made Avraham Avinu Avraham Avinu? It was when he understood what it means to love someone.

Avraham Avinu became Avraham Avinu when he realized that he really loved people. He loved his generation and he loved the world – enough to not care what they would think of him. He realized that if he loved someone, but was really more concerned about what they thought of him, then he couldn’t really love them.

Loving someone for real means loving them regardless of what they think of me. If I truly love them and sincerely care for them, that comes before anything.

What does this have to do with right now?

Many people have already had the privilege of hearing the words “Lech lecha.” They have packed up their bags and moved to Eretz Yisrael. Sadly enough, quite often they believed in using the “guilt card” toward family members and friends who were still living back in the States. I have never met anyone who has moved to Eretz Yisrael because of guilt. Nor should they.

I hope and pray that each and every one of you believes that we all here love you so much.
It’s time to come home. Not because of any Zionist motive, or any other motive. It’s just time to come home.

Perhaps the current riots will end in the next few days. Maybe they won’t, but maybe they will. The mere fact that this is actually happening right now, however, should be enough to make us stop and say to the Master of the universe: “Thank you so much for this gift called America – it’s been an amazing gift!” It has given so much to humanity and truly has been so incredible to the Jewish people as well.

And yet, what is taking place right now in the States forces us to do some deep introspection and adopt the concept of hayecha kodmin – putting your life first.

Who would have dreamed that 75 years after Auschwitz, rabbis across the country would have to gather up the Torah scrolls from their shuls and hide them in their homes, out of fear of the shuls being broken into and vandalized. This is just one example of the unfathomable.

We could give a million different reasons as to why someone should come home, but the truth is that one doesn’t need a reason to come home.

I am fully aware of the difficulty behind a commitment like this. It’s probably one of the most difficult decisions anyone could make – to uproot oneself and one’s family from that which they know, from that which they feel comfortable with. It is extremely tough.

But I want to tell you something even more important. We here in Eretz Yisrael, we need you. We are still trying to figure out what this dream of coming back home is all about. We are working very hard on it. And it would be so beautiful and so right if we could figure out the rest of our journey to our destiny together with the rest of the mishpaha (family).

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What more can I add to such clear words?
I'm ready to give half of my apartment and eat rice if that's what it takes.

From here, the situation looks seriously on the edge,
Jews are collectively framed as the animus of every social movement.
Regardless of elections there's a whole network laid out in the Universities,
media, as much as the Democratic party, in which the community traditionally
used to seek protection.

Even if a reverse of the default Democratic support seems to be a natural result of US Jewish demographics, these things can take at least a generation, but that wouldn't change much, and the situation is already explosive.

But of course, if I'm exaggerating, will gladly hear other opinions.
- constructive discourse is welcome.
 
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I hope and pray that each and every one of you believes that we all here love you so much.

To my friends all over the world, and specifically in America,

There is a wonderful teaching from Rebbe Nahman of Breslov. It’s found right in between the first and second parts of Likutei Moharan, titled “Ehad Haya Avraham.”

In this powerful teaching, Rebbe Nahman explores the character of Avraham Avinu (Abraham our Patriarch). What made Avraham Avinu Avraham Avinu? It was when he understood what it means to love someone.

Avraham Avinu became Avraham Avinu when he realized that he really loved people. He loved his generation and he loved the world – enough to not care what they would think of him. He realized that if he loved someone, but was really more concerned about what they thought of him, then he couldn’t really love them.

Loving someone for real means loving them regardless of what they think of me. If I truly love them and sincerely care for them, that comes before anything.

What does this have to do with right now?

Many people have already had the privilege of hearing the words “Lech lecha.” They have packed up their bags and moved to Eretz Yisrael. Sadly enough, quite often they believed in using the “guilt card” toward family members and friends who were still living back in the States. I have never met anyone who has moved to Eretz Yisrael because of guilt. Nor should they.

I hope and pray that each and every one of you believes that we all here love you so much.
It’s time to come home. Not because of any Zionist motive, or any other motive. It’s just time to come home.

Perhaps the current riots will end in the next few days. Maybe they won’t, but maybe they will. The mere fact that this is actually happening right now, however, should be enough to make us stop and say to the Master of the universe: “Thank you so much for this gift called America – it’s been an amazing gift!” It has given so much to humanity and truly has been so incredible to the Jewish people as well.

And yet, what is taking place right now in the States forces us to do some deep introspection and adopt the concept of hayecha kodmin – putting your life first.

Who would have dreamed that 75 years after Auschwitz, rabbis across the country would have to gather up the Torah scrolls from their shuls and hide them in their homes, out of fear of the shuls being broken into and vandalized. This is just one example of the unfathomable.

We could give a million different reasons as to why someone should come home, but the truth is that one doesn’t need a reason to come home.

I am fully aware of the difficulty behind a commitment like this. It’s probably one of the most difficult decisions anyone could make – to uproot oneself and one’s family from that which they know, from that which they feel comfortable with. It is extremely tough.

But I want to tell you something even more important. We here in Eretz Yisrael, we need you. We are still trying to figure out what this dream of coming back home is all about. We are working very hard on it. And it would be so beautiful and so right if we could figure out the rest of our journey to our destiny together with the rest of the mishpaha (family).

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What more can I add to such clear words?
I'm ready to give half of my apartment and eat rice if that's what it takes.

From here, the situation looks seriously on the edge,
Jews are collectively framed as the animus of every social movement.
Regardless of elections there's a whole network laid out in the Universities,
media, as much as the Democratic party, in which the community traditionally
used to seek protection.

Even if a reverse of the default Democratic support seems to be a natural result of US Jewish demographics, these things can take at least a generation, but that wouldn't change much, and the situation is already explosive.

But of course, if I'm exaggerating, will gladly hear other opinions.
- constructive discourse is welcome.
Migrate to Israel??? No chance. Tolerating vandalism is preferable to dying from a bomb blast. Jews in the USA can defend themselves with firearms, just like all Americans do.
 
I have read posts like this for years. They seem to arise when change is coming on the political horizon. These folks say they will leave if so and so is elected.

Here is my answer to all regardless of party affiliation, race, creed or religion:

If your faith in this country is so weak then get the hell out. We don’t need you. I have no toleration for losers who want to abandon this nation. Go and don’t come back.
 
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Nice sentiment. I see nothing wrong with it. If I were Jewish though, two things that would give me pause is the fact that there just isn't nearly as much open space(s) in Israel and the biggest one is the US 2nd amendment. Granted though, that is probably soon to go away. I have also heard that it is expensive and the pay is not quite as good as it could be. And though some say your government system leans socialist, I kind of like that fact that you folks are not locked into the two party GRIP on your politics. That is really what is screwing the USA up.
 
Nice sentiment. I see nothing wrong with it. If I were Jewish though, two things that would give me pause is the fact that there just isn't nearly as much open space(s) in Israel and the biggest one is the US 2nd amendment. Granted though, that is probably soon to go away. I have also heard that it is expensive and the pay is not quite as good as it could be. And though some say your government system leans socialist, I kind of like that fact that you folks are not locked into the two party GRIP on your politics. That is really what is screwing the USA up.

Socialist leaning?
Maybe in the fist 20 years, but not for long anymore,
PM Netanyahu is especially all about the free market economy.

I think it's just time, in this week's Torah portion Mosheh Rabbenu A"H tells the new generation the reason they had to wander for 40 years to reach a place that can be in months, and what happened to heir parents when they didn't want to make Aliyah.

But the children knew, they didn't have much choice really,
G-d swore they will inherit it, and so they would.

If it's space - G-d will take away the comfort
if right to hold arms - G-d will prove weapons wont help
if its the pay and quality of life - G-d will take that as well

if that's what takes, but they will inherit.
 
I hope and pray that each and every one of you believes that we all here love you so much.

To my friends all over the world, and specifically in America,

There is a wonderful teaching from Rebbe Nahman of Breslov. It’s found right in between the first and second parts of Likutei Moharan, titled “Ehad Haya Avraham.”

In this powerful teaching, Rebbe Nahman explores the character of Avraham Avinu (Abraham our Patriarch). What made Avraham Avinu Avraham Avinu? It was when he understood what it means to love someone.

Avraham Avinu became Avraham Avinu when he realized that he really loved people. He loved his generation and he loved the world – enough to not care what they would think of him. He realized that if he loved someone, but was really more concerned about what they thought of him, then he couldn’t really love them.

Loving someone for real means loving them regardless of what they think of me. If I truly love them and sincerely care for them, that comes before anything.

What does this have to do with right now?

Many people have already had the privilege of hearing the words “Lech lecha.” They have packed up their bags and moved to Eretz Yisrael. Sadly enough, quite often they believed in using the “guilt card” toward family members and friends who were still living back in the States. I have never met anyone who has moved to Eretz Yisrael because of guilt. Nor should they.

I hope and pray that each and every one of you believes that we all here love you so much.
It’s time to come home. Not because of any Zionist motive, or any other motive. It’s just time to come home.

Perhaps the current riots will end in the next few days. Maybe they won’t, but maybe they will. The mere fact that this is actually happening right now, however, should be enough to make us stop and say to the Master of the universe: “Thank you so much for this gift called America – it’s been an amazing gift!” It has given so much to humanity and truly has been so incredible to the Jewish people as well.

And yet, what is taking place right now in the States forces us to do some deep introspection and adopt the concept of hayecha kodmin – putting your life first.

Who would have dreamed that 75 years after Auschwitz, rabbis across the country would have to gather up the Torah scrolls from their shuls and hide them in their homes, out of fear of the shuls being broken into and vandalized. This is just one example of the unfathomable.

We could give a million different reasons as to why someone should come home, but the truth is that one doesn’t need a reason to come home.

I am fully aware of the difficulty behind a commitment like this. It’s probably one of the most difficult decisions anyone could make – to uproot oneself and one’s family from that which they know, from that which they feel comfortable with. It is extremely tough.

But I want to tell you something even more important. We here in Eretz Yisrael, we need you. We are still trying to figure out what this dream of coming back home is all about. We are working very hard on it. And it would be so beautiful and so right if we could figure out the rest of our journey to our destiny together with the rest of the mishpaha (family).

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What more can I add to such clear words?
I'm ready to give half of my apartment and eat rice if that's what it takes.

From here, the situation looks seriously on the edge,
Jews are collectively framed as the animus of every social movement.
Regardless of elections there's a whole network laid out in the Universities,
media, as much as the Democratic party, in which the community traditionally
used to seek protection.

Even if a reverse of the default Democratic support seems to be a natural result of US Jewish demographics, these things can take at least a generation, but that wouldn't change much, and the situation is already explosive.

But of course, if I'm exaggerating, will gladly hear other opinions.
- constructive discourse is welcome.
Migrate to Israel??? No chance. Tolerating vandalism is preferable to dying from a bomb blast. Jews in the USA can defend themselves with firearms, just like all Americans do.
Tolerating vandalism and racial framing only sets the tolerance bar lower,
which actually leads to 'dying from a bomb blast', than otherwise.

If America reaches the point where as a result of social unrest average citizens would have to resort to using firearms in self defense, the Jewish community is vastly outnumbered,
and by any natural means simply doesn't stand a chance.

Is the percentage of gun owners even considerable regarding the community?
 
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Well, they DO need more warm bodies, to fill the vacuum as the Palis are kicked out of the West Bank and pushed to the eastern shore of the Jordan.
 
RE: American Jewry, It's time to come home
⁜→ et al,

BLUF: Remembering that "one" of the reasons for the Plymouth Rock Land (1620), unlike the Jamestown Settlements (1607), was to escape religious persecution. Jamestown was a commercial investment.



I hope and pray that each and every one of you believes that we all here love you so much.
It’s time to come home. Not because of any Zionist motive, or any other motive. It’s just time to come home.
(COMMENT)

This is a legitimate sentiment.

Who would have dreamed that 75 years after Auschwitz, rabbis across the country would have to gather up the Torah scrolls from their shuls and hide them in their homes, out of fear of the shuls being broken into and vandalized. This is just one example of the unfathomable.
(COMMENT)

Well, I'm not sure that there will ever be a time when "security concerns" will not be an issue. For a while, there was a hope that America would become the center of multidisciplinary education
(both Arts and Sciences) in the world; a modern-day Library of Alexandria. But just as Alexandria began its descent with the molestation, torture, and horribly death of Hypatia the leadership in Washington, interested more in itself than it is in the Nation, has begun its descent. So it may be a wise choice to commit a digital record of, as many as possible, the most important documents in both a permanent form (cut-off from the world) and an accessible form.

We could give a million different reasons as to why someone should come home, but the truth is that one doesn’t need a reason to come home.
(COMMENT)

There is absolutely nothing wrong with considering them all. Israel is becoming one of the Mecca for Scientific advancement and development.

If your faith in this country is so weak then get the hell out. We don’t need you. I have no toleration for losers who want to abandon this nation. Go and don’t come back.
(COMMENT)

If this is a valid question, then the opposing view might be just as valid.

Why is your faith so strong in America? Is it a matter of pride, policy, or patriotism?

Is it your belief that it is impossible for America to fall behind the rest of the World in education? Remember, in the 1960s America was so advanced that it was capable of taking astronauts to the Moon and back. Since Apollo 8, there have been only 12 Astronauts that have seen the Earth Rise and fall while in orbit around the Moon. They are all American. Today, American Astronauts have to hitchhike into space. This is a very clear and unambiguous example of the decline of America's Leadership on domestic and international matters.

Unless you are making a positive impact on the development of America, what do you base your outlandish direction: "then get the hell out" ...? (Inquiring minds want to know...)

SIGIL PAIR.png
Most Respectfully,
R
 
RE: American Jewry, It's time to come home
⁜→ et al,

BLUF: I'm not sure what the source of your information is?

Well, they DO need more warm bodies, to fill the vacuum as the Palis are kicked out of the West Bank and pushed to the eastern shore of the Jordan.
(QUESTION)

What plan did you read that indicated that the Israelis were planning a displacement?


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Most Respectfully,
R
 
Poland and its neighbors are currently being governed by very nationalist leaders.

It's highly unlikely they would even consider the idea of recreating the Pale of Settlement and allow the return of even hundreds of american Jews to it, let alone millions of them.
 
Rocco.

Kondor is a dinosaur from the Jurasssic period with his mind stuck in a bygone era.

He just can't come to terms with the fact that there will be no ethnic cleansing in Palestine.

He's probably the only member of this Message Board who managed to work the miracle of missing the writing in the wall:

There will be neither a palestinian state nor the ethnic cleasing of arabs in the WB and Gaza.

Palestinians will gradually abandon the armed struggle and start a movement for civil rights in Israel.
 
I have read posts like this for years. They seem to arise when change is coming on the political horizon. These folks say they will leave if so and so is elected.

Here is my answer to all regardless of party affiliation, race, creed or religion:

If your faith in this country is so weak then get the hell out. We don’t need you. I have no toleration for losers who want to abandon this nation. Go and don’t come back.

Why does it have to be about force?

It's not abandoning, rather recognizing social processes and trends discourse that signal the community is not welcomed, to say the least. It took a major political movement
to switch the blame on Jews as a collective, in what, two month?

Those with the instinct are going the Herzl way,
not because they're weak, in fact they're high achievers,
but because the nature of their strength is of eternity, and they can be truly strong,
only in the place where the the fruits of their strength are also essentially of eternity.
 
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I am an American first & a Jew second. Rather than pack up & go live in Israel when the going gets tough for us, I would fight for my rights as an American by educating our citizens to antisemitism & those who promote it. Pro Israel? You bet. But my country first.
 
RE: American Jewry, It's time to come home
⁜→ et al,

BLUF: Remembering that "one" of the reasons for the Plymouth Rock Land (1620), unlike the Jamestown Settlements (1607), was to escape religious persecution. Jamestown was a commercial investment.



I hope and pray that each and every one of you believes that we all here love you so much.
It’s time to come home. Not because of any Zionist motive, or any other motive. It’s just time to come home.
(COMMENT)

This is a legitimate sentiment.

Who would have dreamed that 75 years after Auschwitz, rabbis across the country would have to gather up the Torah scrolls from their shuls and hide them in their homes, out of fear of the shuls being broken into and vandalized. This is just one example of the unfathomable.
(COMMENT)

Well, I'm not sure that there will ever be a time when "security concerns" will not be an issue. For a while, there was a hope that America would become the center of multidisciplinary education (both Arts and Sciences) in the world; a modern-day Library of Alexandria. But just as Alexandria began its descent with the molestation, torture, and horribly death of Hypatia the leadership in Washington, interested more in itself than it is in the Nation, has begun its descent. So it may be a wise choice to commit a digital record of, as many as possible, the most important documents in both a permanent form (cut-off from the world) and an accessible form.

We could give a million different reasons as to why someone should come home, but the truth is that one doesn’t need a reason to come home.
(COMMENT)

There is absolutely nothing wrong with considering them all. Israel is becoming one of the Mecca for Scientific advancement and development.

If your faith in this country is so weak then get the hell out. We don’t need you. I have no toleration for losers who want to abandon this nation. Go and don’t come back.
(COMMENT)

If this is a valid question, then the opposing view might be just as valid.

Why is your faith so strong in America? Is it a matter of pride, policy, or patriotism?

Is it your belief that it is impossible for America to fall behind the rest of the World in education? Remember, in the 1960s America was so advanced that it was capable of taking astronauts to the Moon and back. Since Apollo 8, there have been only 12 Astronauts that have seen the Earth Rise and fall while in orbit around the Moon. They are all American. Today, American Astronauts have to hitchhike into space. This is a very clear and unambiguous example of the decline of America's Leadership on domestic and international matters.

Unless you are making a positive impact on the development of America, what do you base your outlandish direction: "then get the hell out" ...? (Inquiring minds want to know...)

SIGIL PAIR.png
Most Respectfully,
R

This thought crossed my mind as well,
with all the pride in technological advancement,
the entire medium of digital data recording and storage is done on materials, structures,
that will easily disintegrate in relatively short time, the wealth of record of the supposedly most advance time in the civilization, can potentially leave no sufficient trace in comparison to its wealth and magnitude.

But the stones and the books of the ancient ones,
carry their message for millions and thousands of years.

Does it mean anything about the eternal value of our works?
 
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I hope and pray that each and every one of you believes that we all here love you so much.

To my friends all over the world, and specifically in America,

There is a wonderful teaching from Rebbe Nahman of Breslov. It’s found right in between the first and second parts of Likutei Moharan, titled “Ehad Haya Avraham.”

In this powerful teaching, Rebbe Nahman explores the character of Avraham Avinu (Abraham our Patriarch). What made Avraham Avinu Avraham Avinu? It was when he understood what it means to love someone.

Avraham Avinu became Avraham Avinu when he realized that he really loved people. He loved his generation and he loved the world – enough to not care what they would think of him. He realized that if he loved someone, but was really more concerned about what they thought of him, then he couldn’t really love them.

Loving someone for real means loving them regardless of what they think of me. If I truly love them and sincerely care for them, that comes before anything.

What does this have to do with right now?

Many people have already had the privilege of hearing the words “Lech lecha.” They have packed up their bags and moved to Eretz Yisrael. Sadly enough, quite often they believed in using the “guilt card” toward family members and friends who were still living back in the States. I have never met anyone who has moved to Eretz Yisrael because of guilt. Nor should they.

I hope and pray that each and every one of you believes that we all here love you so much.
It’s time to come home. Not because of any Zionist motive, or any other motive. It’s just time to come home.

Perhaps the current riots will end in the next few days. Maybe they won’t, but maybe they will. The mere fact that this is actually happening right now, however, should be enough to make us stop and say to the Master of the universe: “Thank you so much for this gift called America – it’s been an amazing gift!” It has given so much to humanity and truly has been so incredible to the Jewish people as well.

And yet, what is taking place right now in the States forces us to do some deep introspection and adopt the concept of hayecha kodmin – putting your life first.

Who would have dreamed that 75 years after Auschwitz, rabbis across the country would have to gather up the Torah scrolls from their shuls and hide them in their homes, out of fear of the shuls being broken into and vandalized. This is just one example of the unfathomable.

We could give a million different reasons as to why someone should come home, but the truth is that one doesn’t need a reason to come home.

I am fully aware of the difficulty behind a commitment like this. It’s probably one of the most difficult decisions anyone could make – to uproot oneself and one’s family from that which they know, from that which they feel comfortable with. It is extremely tough.

But I want to tell you something even more important. We here in Eretz Yisrael, we need you. We are still trying to figure out what this dream of coming back home is all about. We are working very hard on it. And it would be so beautiful and so right if we could figure out the rest of our journey to our destiny together with the rest of the mishpaha (family).

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What more can I add to such clear words?
I'm ready to give half of my apartment and eat rice if that's what it takes.

From here, the situation looks seriously on the edge,
Jews are collectively framed as the animus of every social movement.
Regardless of elections there's a whole network laid out in the Universities,
media, as much as the Democratic party, in which the community traditionally
used to seek protection.

Even if a reverse of the default Democratic support seems to be a natural result of US Jewish demographics, these things can take at least a generation, but that wouldn't change much, and the situation is already explosive.

But of course, if I'm exaggerating, will gladly hear other opinions.
- constructive discourse is welcome.
Migrate to Israel??? No chance. Tolerating vandalism is preferable to dying from a bomb blast. Jews in the USA can defend themselves with firearms, just like all Americans do.
Actually, the homicide rate in the US is twice the homicide rate in Israel, which is to say, it is safer to live in Israel than to live in the US. As for dying in a bomb blast, Israel has never suffered an event to compare to 911.
 
I am an American first & a Jew second. Rather than pack up & go live in Israel when the going gets tough for us, I would fight for my rights as an American by educating our citizens to antisemitism & those who promote it. Pro Israel? You bet. But my country first.

Appreciate You sharing that.
And can understand, in theory.

But practice shows that in the diaspora Jews were always made to move,
each time we started to feel comfortable, G-d shattered every such false hope.

Get used to the Desert, refuse to inherit what is given to Your children,
then wander some more only without the same accommodations as before,
and now don't even attempt to do what was called for and raise to that standard.
But the children who were disregarded for being kept in the desert, they will inherit it,
achieving much more in merit than the desert could ever accommodate.
That's this week's Torah portion.

Washington is not Jerusalem,
by definition cannot accommodate Your full potential.
 
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