America Founded as a Christian Nation

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Religion played a major role in the American Revolution by offering a moral sanction for opposition to the British--an assurance to the average American that revolution was justified in the sight of God. As a recent scholar has observed, "by turning colonial resistance into a righteous cause, and by crying the message to all ranks in all parts of the colonies, ministers did the work of secular radicalism and did it better."

Ministers served the American cause in many capacities during the Revolution: as military chaplains, as penmen for committees of correspondence, and as members of state legislatures, constitutional conventions and the national Congress. Some even took up arms, leading Continental troops in battle.

The Revolution split some denominations, notably the Church of England, whose ministers were bound by oath to support the King, and the Quakers, who were traditionally pacifists. Religious practice suffered in certain places because of the absence of ministers and the destruction of churches, but in other areas, religion flourished.

The Revolution strengthened millennialist strains in American theology. At the beginning of the war some ministers were persuaded that, with God's help, America might become "the principal Seat of the glorious Kingdom which Christ shall erect upon Earth in the latter Days." Victory over the British was taken as a sign of God's partiality for America and stimulated an outpouring of millennialist expectations--the conviction that Christ would rule on earth for 1,000 years. This attitude combined with a groundswell of secular optimism about the future of America to create the buoyant mood of the new nation that became so evident after Jefferson assumed the presidency in 1801.

Religion and the American Revolution - Religion and the Founding of the American Republic | Exhibitions (Library of Congress)
 
So why did it take so long for all this talk about rights and natural laws being the bedrock upon which Christians should be governed to be discovered? There's no evidence that the emperor Theodosius I was running around the palace in Constantinople after he made Christianity the sole religion of the Empire, babbling about rights and natural laws. Were Christians in the fourth century not worthy enough to enjoy those rights? I challenge anyone to show me where any New Testament writer left any instructions as to what Christians should do if they ever seized earthly political power. Show me where Christians were encouraged to seize earthly political power, period. Truth is, if you enjoy your rights, don't thank that Christian over here. No, instead thank that Baphomet worshiping Freemason over there.
 
Secular Humanism and Atheists took over

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Secular humanism is our unofficial state religion now and its implementation has been disastrous for this country.

Do you mean Secular humanism is our unofficial national religion now as well? If not why not? if so, continue:

Post 23877924
the atheists and other non-believers have hijacked the Republic and we are not a Christian nation

Is it true we are not a Christian Nation anymore?

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the overwhelming majority of the people (98 percent) that were in the U.S. during the framing of the Constitution,

Just want to get this straight. When you say 98% of the white European inhabitants of colonial America around 1780 were Christians, that is a very important reason why you say I must “understand” that America was founded as a Christian nation. Do I understand you correctly?

Based on the following do you agree 66% of the multicolored inhabitants of today’s America are Christians?
  • Christianity is the most adhered to religion in the United States, with 65% of polled American adults identifying themselves as Christian in 2019. This is down from 85% in 1990, 81.6% in 2001, and 12% lower than the 78% reported for 2012. About 45% of those polled claim to be members of a church congregation. Wikipedia › wiki Christianity_in_t...Christianity in the United States - Wikipedia
Why would you say that we are not a Christian Nation now? Christians are still the majority.
 
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So, you want people to believe that our forefathers took an oath saying that they believed in the principles of Christianity; the overwhelming majority of the people (98 percent) that were in the U.S. during the framing of the Constitution, and that we adopted the English common law - which has its roots in Christianity and it means nothing???

I have never ventured near an argument that the overwhelming majority of colonists and early state residents being of some Christian brand or the other, means nothing.

I have posted a credit to Christians role in the Revolution and in the founding in my very first post.

Try to represent my actual arguments in the future.

Basically the above except from your post 23926882 is false because my point has been clear. I consider the 98% Christian contribution to founding of America as important.

If you can’t tell the truth about what I have put in writing here. Why must I believe anything you have to say including the title of this thread.

With all your words you have not honestly made a valid argument for why I or anyone must agree with your edict or whatever it is, that America was founded as a Christian nation.

Nobody is using you bizarre numbering system

I have not misrepresented you nor told one single lie about you. Observations are not lies and you feel justified by making straw man arguments, but wail when someone makes a mere observation regarding what you said.

Produce the lie or shut up. If you can't do that, I will post here, but only to make your posts get lost in a maze of B.S. as you're trying to do.

I'm not trying to make you believe me. You seem to be committed to a position that is wrong and one that cannot sustain itself.
 
Secular Humanism and Atheists took over

Post 23877924
Secular humanism is our unofficial state religion now and its implementation has been disastrous for this country.

Do you mean Secular humanism is our unofficial national religion now as well? If not why not? if so, continue:

Post 23877924
the atheists and other non-believers have hijacked the Republic and we are not a Christian nation

Is it true we are not a Christian Nation anymore?

Post 23926882
the overwhelming majority of the people (98 percent) that were in the U.S. during the framing of the Constitution,

Just want to get this straight. When you say 98% of the white European inhabitants of colonial America around 1780 were Christians, that is a very important reason why you say I must “understand” that America was founded as a Christian nation. Do I understand you correctly?

Based on the following do you agree 66% of the multicolored inhabitants of today’s America are Christians?
  • Christianity is the most adhered to religion in the United States, with 65% of polled American adults identifying themselves as Christian in 2019. This is down from 85% in 1990, 81.6% in 2001, and 12% lower than the 78% reported for 2012. About 45% of those polled claim to be members of a church congregation. Wikipedia › wiki Christianity_in_t...Christianity in the United States - Wikipedia
Why would you say that we are not a Christian Nation now? Christians are still the majority.

I DO NOT DO MULTI QUOTES
 
Enough with the bizarre numbering system and multi quotes. If you have something you want addressed, spit it out. This is your last opportunity.
 
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I DO NOT DO MULTI QUOTES

They are quotes from you. I post them this way so you can click on them to check that you actually wrote it and in what context.

But if you insist here are the questions I asked based on those quotes:

Do you mean Secular humanism is our unofficial national religion now as well? If not why not? if so, continue.

Is it true we are not a Christian Nation anymore?
  • Christianity is the most adhered to religion in the United States, with 65% of polled American adults identifying themselves as Christian in 2019.
Why would you say that we are not a Christian Nation now? Christians are still the majority
 
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I DO NOT DO MULTI QUOTES

They are quotes from you. I post them this way so you can click on them to check that you actually wrote it and in what context.

But if you insist here are the questions I asked based on those quotes:

Do you mean Secular humanism is our unofficial national religion now as well? If not why not? if so, continue.

Is it true we are not a Christian Nation anymore?
  • Christianity is the most adhered to religion in the United States, with 65% of polled American adults identifying themselves as Christian in 2019.
Why would you say that we are not a Christian Nation now? Christians are still the majority

We're not a Christian nation anymore because non Christians refuse to kiss Christians' asses anymore. And that makes Jesus very sad.
 
I find it bizarre that the left, in my experience is quick to claim that since the Engle v. Vitale decision (Engel v. Vitale, 370 U.S. 421 (1962) ) "it ended the stranglehold Protestants and Catholics had..." as if that were a good thing.

It took the courts 175 years from the ratification of the Constitution to the time of Engle v. Vitale to find a mythical "separation of church and state." Without any statutes and NO precedents, the United States Supreme Court manufactured the separation of church and state out of thin air.

The atheists, secularists / humanists / secular humanists / nonbelievers love to crow about the fact that the United States Supreme Court acted illegally to legislate from the bench and start the ball rolling that caused a number of laws that would change us from a constitutional Republic to a democratic socialist / Federal Legislative Democracy that is owned and controlled by elite multinational corporations.

Under this illegal / unconstitutional / immoral / de facto government whose social change began in 1962 (the economic / tax warfare against the Constitution dating back even earlier) has caused us to go from the greatest nation in the annals of history to the level of a third world country.

James Madison's understanding of the provision in the First Amendment that there should be no law respecting the establishment of religion, he said in debate, was "that Congress should not establish a religion, and enforce the legal observation of it by law, nor compel men to worship God in any manner contrary to their conscience."

"Probably at the time of the adoption of the constitution, and of the amendment to it, now under consideration, the general, if not the universal, sentiment in America was, that Christianity ought to receive encouragement from the state, so far as was not incompatible with the private rights of conscience, and the freedom of religious worship".

Justice Joseph Story, United States Supreme Court
 
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I DO NOT DO MULTI QUOTES

They are quotes from you. I post them this way so you can click on them to check that you actually wrote it and in what context.

But if you insist here are the questions I asked based on those quotes:

Do you mean Secular humanism is our unofficial national religion now as well? If not why not? if so, continue.

Is it true we are not a Christian Nation anymore?
  • Christianity is the most adhered to religion in the United States, with 65% of polled American adults identifying themselves as Christian in 2019.
Why would you say that we are not a Christian Nation now? Christians are still the majority

We're not a Christian nation anymore because non Christians refuse to kiss Christians' asses anymore. And that makes Jesus very sad.

Then you can own the America the United States has created since 1962:

* The United States has more people in prison than any country on this planet

* Americans consume over 80 percent of the world's opioid supply

* America has more people on illegal drugs than country in the world

* For every drug addict in a mental health facility, there are more than 10 drug addicts in prison

* The average lifespan of Americans has been dropping

* The last generation was the first to less affluent than their predecessors and have shorter lifespans

* Under the secularists / humanists / secular humanists/ non-believers men are producing lower testosterone levels. So, many of them are not able to rise to the occasion

This is happening on their watch. ALL of it is tied to their newly found power in America. So, you have to take the bad with the good.
 
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I DO NOT DO MULTI QUOTES

They are quotes from you. I post them this way so you can click on them to check that you actually wrote it and in what context.

But if you insist here are the questions I asked based on those quotes:

Do you mean Secular humanism is our unofficial national religion now as well? If not why not? if so, continue.

Is it true we are not a Christian Nation anymore?
  • Christianity is the most adhered to religion in the United States, with 65% of polled American adults identifying themselves as Christian in 2019.
Why would you say that we are not a Christian Nation now? Christians are still the majority

We're not a Christian nation anymore because non Christians refuse to kiss Christians' asses anymore. And that makes Jesus very sad.

Christians like Porter Rockwell have not and likely will never understand the reality that the embedded secular nature or our nations’s institutions has been a significant positive influence for freedom of religion which increased Christian religiously since the early 1800s. So avoid Christianity is losing market share to many young people under thirty.

Evangelical white Christians with their embrace of sordid Trumpism over decency and truth, will turn off more young people than ever from organized religion. And Porter leads the way to losing.
 
Reply 23929457 to 23929312
I DO NOT DO MULTI QUOTES

They are quotes from you. I post them this way so you can click on them to check that you actually wrote it and in what context.

But if you insist here are the questions I asked based on those quotes:

Do you mean Secular humanism is our unofficial national religion now as well? If not why not? if so, continue.

Is it true we are not a Christian Nation anymore?
  • Christianity is the most adhered to religion in the United States, with 65% of polled American adults identifying themselves as Christian in 2019.
Why would you say that we are not a Christian Nation now? Christians are still the majority

I have stated many many times that America is not now a Christian nation. We were founded as one. It was a part of our heritage and our culture. It was the guiding force to determine between right and wrong in our nation.

After 1962 (see my last six posts in this thread) from a social perspective the humanists / secularists/ secular humanists / nonbelievers illegally assumed control.

Since that time we have become a morally bankrupt third world cesspool barely fit to take a dump in.

IF Christians were a majority, you would see millions in the streets asking why in the HELL parents, doctors, the government, schools, and Big Pharma are putting children on hard core drugs

More people would be working for religious Liberty

Abortion would be outlawed

Gun control would take a hike

The people would not tolerate a plank out of the Communist Manifesto be used to steal their wages

There would be a much more civil tone among the people

We would care for the mentally ill and not leave them on the streets. We'd treat them instead of giving them a criminal record and denying them the same status as the rest of society

Christians would not allow the government to dictate the tenets of their faith and there would be no registered churches

The federal government would not be involved in education and parents would decide education at the county and state level

"Christians" would not run around saying that a Mormon cannot be a Christian or the Jehovah's Witness cannot be a Christian, or Christian Identity people can't be Christians, that Unitarians are not Christians... they would respect each other's differences.

If America were predominantly Christian, you would not see scores of kids stealing cars, breaking into houses and robbing their own families for drug money. You wouldn't see young girls sleeping with their boyfriends in mommy's house at the age of 16 while smoking pot with their thug boyfriend with a criminal record. Mothers would not make pansies out of their sons either - they would become MEN.

If America were Christian, people would work to keep their families together. Divorce would be rare, not predominant

If America were Christian, there would be fewer tattoos and body piercings and more Americans in colleges and universities so that the college seats were not being taken over by foreigners

How International Students Are Changing U.S. Colleges

If America were still a Christian nation, they would have some representation in entertainment that was greater than the buffoonery of Tim Allen (who is a comedian - a good one, but not a show for relating to Christian values.)

Claiming to be a Christian in a poll is not the same as giving of yourself, volunteering, being a good citizen, and a good steward of the Word of God. Claiming to being a good Christian and not looking out for your fellow man or displaying strong family values that others look up to won't help either. Sure, they would screw up, get mad, and with every mistake, people like you will judge the Christian, but Christians would not worry about your judging or your lopsided scales.

BTW, how long do you need this list to be?
 
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I DO NOT DO MULTI QUOTES

They are quotes from you. I post them this way so you can click on them to check that you actually wrote it and in what context.

But if you insist here are the questions I asked based on those quotes:

Do you mean Secular humanism is our unofficial national religion now as well? If not why not? if so, continue.

Is it true we are not a Christian Nation anymore?
  • Christianity is the most adhered to religion in the United States, with 65% of polled American adults identifying themselves as Christian in 2019.
Why would you say that we are not a Christian Nation now? Christians are still the majority

We're not a Christian nation anymore because non Christians refuse to kiss Christians' asses anymore. And that makes Jesus very sad.

Christians like Porter Rockwell have not and likely will never understand the reality that the embedded secular nature or our nations’s institutions has been a significant positive influence for freedom of religion which increased Christian religiously since the early 1800s. So avoid Christianity is losing market share to many young people under thirty.

Evangelical white Christians with their embrace of sordid Trumpism over decency and truth, will turn off more young people than ever from organized religion. And Porter leads the way to losing.

You are not fit to judge me, so I will repeat what I just said
 
I have stated many many times that America is not now a Christian nation. We were founded as one. It was a part of our heritage and our culture. It was the guiding force to determine between right and wrong in our nation.

After 1962 (see my last six posts in this thread) from a social perspective the humanists / secularists/ secular humanists / nonbelievers illegally assumed control.

Since that time we have become a morally bankrupt third world cesspool barely fit to take a dump in.

IF Christians were a majority, you would see millions in the streets asking why in the HELL parents, doctors, the government, schools, and Big Pharma are putting children on hard core drugs

More people would be working for religious Liberty

Abortion would be outlawed

Gun control would take a hike

The people would not tolerate a plank out of the Communist Manifesto be used to steal their wages

There would be a much more civil tone among the people

We would care for the mentally ill and not leave them on the streets. We'd treat them instead of giving them a criminal record and denying them the same status as the rest of society

Christians would not allow the government to dictate the tenets of their faith and there would be no registered churches

The federal government would not be involved in education and parents would decide education at the county and state level

"Christians" would not run around saying that a Mormon cannot be a Christian or the Jehovah's Witness cannot be a Christian, or Christian Identity people can't be Christians, that Unitarians are not Christians... they would respect each other's differences.

If America were predominantly Christian, you would not see scores of kids stealing cars, breaking into houses and robbing their own families for drug money. You wouldn't see young girls sleeping with their boyfriends in mommy's house at the age of 16 while smoking pot with their thug boyfriend with a criminal record. Mothers would not make pansies out of their sons either - they would become MEN.

If America were Christian, people would work to keep their families together. Divorce would be rare, not predominant

If America were Christian, there would be fewer tattoos and body piercings and more Americans in colleges and universities so that the college seats were not being taken over by foreigners

How International Students Are Changing U.S. Colleges

If America were still a Christian nation, they would have some representation in entertainment that was greater than the buffoonery of Tim Allen (who is a comedian - a good one, but not a show for relating to Christian values.)

Claiming to be a Christian in a poll is not the same as giving of yourself, volunteering, being a good citizen, and a good steward of the Word of God. Claiming to being a good Christian and not looking out for your fellow man or displaying strong family values that others look up to won't help either. Sure, they would screw up, get mad, and with every mistake, people like you will judge the Christian, but Christians would not worry about your judging or your lopsided scales.

BTW, how long do you need this list to be?

Anybody with an IQ higher than their shoe size would not mistake me for a Trump supporter. He's the lesser of two evils in an evil system. I speak out against him when he does things that should be reprehensible - and ditto for the Christ hating Democrats and reprobates. So, all I can about our resident troll: Let the heathen rage. Intelligent people see right through your lies, NOTFOOLEDBYW
 
America is still a Christian nation even if all of its people don’t behave in a Christian manner.

They just need a little more suffering before returning to successful ways. Like I said before atheism and secular humanism has only infected America, it hasn’t taken over.
 
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That’s wishful thinking. At best they have infected America.

Post 23929312 reply to 23877924
Do you mean Secular humanism is our unofficial national religion now as well?

Post 23877924
Secular humanism is our unofficial state religion now and its implementation has been disastrous for this country.

Had you been paying attention you would know, that would not be wishful thinking on my part.

My 23929312 post is very clearly a reply to Mt Rockwell’s 23877924 post where he said;
  • “Secular humanism is our unofficial state religion now and its implementation has been disastrous for this country.”
I questioned that and Mr Rockwell has kindly confirmed that is exactly what he meant.

So take it up with him.
 
So what's the gist of this thread so far? America was a Christian nation and now it's not? Now why would He allow that to happen? Maybe He wasn't pleased with the way things were going when it was a Christian nation and decided on a change of management?
 
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