Allen West is a disgrace.

[Wicked Jester]

West, who was never trained and had never witnessed an interrogation, tortured someone. By torture I mean kidnapping, blindfolding, and beating while under interrogation. He was then slapped on the wrist by the army, charging him with assault rather than war crimes, or even kidnapping.

I just want to repeat that every couple pages so that people can remember what the facts of the situation are.

West never tortured anybody, you paranoid lil' left wing fool.

Damn, you shoot yourself in the damn foot everytime you post, son.

You're as dishonest and deceitful as that Zona idiot!

Good way to start your time up here!

 

[Zona]

You're done, Zona.

You've been nothing but dishonest in the two threads pertaining to this issue.

I don't believe a damn thing form you anymore.....You are a dishonest hack, nothing more.

I don't believe you served... I don't believe any of your claims of ANYTHING.

You blatantlly tried to deceive, both on the other thread, where I fully made you look like a lying fool, to this thread where you came up and tried to continue your blatant LYING!

You cannot provide one shred of evidence that West was forced to resign, or faced court martial had he not resigned.......NOT ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE, but you've been cackling on like it's the absolute truth.

I believe nothing that comes from you....You shot your own credibility down the tubes, with your blatant twists and lies.......You are a hack, nothing more!

And yes, West is more of a man and patriot than you could ever hope to be.......LIAR!

Oh my god..PEOPLE, HE IS DONE WITH ME..lol

I said it in the first post of this thread..I provided a link that said he was forced to get out and be fined. I said it will be the hardest thing ever for you but I wanted you to show me a link that says he didnt.

I knew you couldn't...but YOU ARE DONE WITH ME..Poseur. lololololol

Oh and again with this about me not serving. Stop being a little child.

84-88 aimd nas south weymouth First job...w/c 900 (gse) then the Cal lab w/c 670 (they closed this base a few years ago)
88 92 VF-301 (fighters in miramar. Hngr 5! They decommissioned though. Bummer) My favorite time in the service...Old old old birds though. We had a high maintenance man hours to flight hour ratio...
92-94 VAW-88 E-2's Same hngr as 301 but down the hall.(big plate on the top of our birds.... the reason why it was only 2 years is because they gave the damn base to the marines and decommissioned every squadron in that hanger...vf301 vf302 and vaw88)
95-98 Nar San Diego (North island...I spent the rest of my career on north island)
98-02 VR-57. C-9's. Most traveling in my career. We literally went around the world with all those dets). Fun fun fun place.
02-04 HC-85...freaking helo's but a cool way to end my career.

I really enjoyed going down this trip down memory lane and could care less if you believe me or not. I would like to thank anyone who was not forced to retire though. Thank you all.

Done with you?.....You could only be so lucky, you dishonest hack.

Nope, i'm gonna throw your lies in your face every chance I get, you dishonest hack.

And yes, you're done Zona.....Your credibility was flushed straight down the ******* toilet, by your own stupid ass.......You just couldn't help yourself from being blatantly dishonest.

He was forced to get out and pay a fine. He was charged with violating two rules in the ucmj. He had a choice to go that route or be courts martial. He chose to be disgraced and have to retire (again, tell me him getting out was his idea..and please provide a link to prove it). YOU WILL SKIP OVER THIS OF COURSE AND SAY I AM LYING.

End result, he was forced to retire and had to pay a fine. He got off easy though if you ask me. He should have done 10 years for what he did.

Prove he was not forced to either and pay a fine and I will change my party and be a republican. Tee and a hee.

Please see the highlighted part above and provide a link or please admit you are lying.

**** you and god bless.

I told the truth about my military career (and again, I want to thank all my fellow vets in here...those who were not forced to retire. Speaking of this, any aviation squids in here? I know of one and we have talked before.)... and I explained to you why he HAD to retire and pay a fine. He is a disgrace.

 

[MarcATL]

West, who was never trained and had never witnessed an interrogation, tortured someone. By torture I mean kidnapping, blindfolding, and beating while under interrogation. He was then slapped on the wrist by the army, charging him with assault rather than war crimes, or even kidnapping.

I just want to repeat that every couple pages so that people can remember what the facts of the situation are.

You have more than a few far RW palookas in this thread who are PUBLICLY claiming that they would like to be led by a "man" like West.

Can you believe that shat!?!??

 

[Zona]

West, who was never trained and had never witnessed an interrogation, tortured someone. By torture I mean kidnapping, blindfolding, and beating while under interrogation. He was then slapped on the wrist by the army, charging him with assault rather than war crimes, or even kidnapping.

I just want to repeat that every couple pages so that people can remember what the facts of the situation are.

West never tortured anybody, you paranoid lil' left wing fool.

Damn, you shoot yourself in the damn foot everytime you post, son.

You're as dishonest and deceitful as that Zona idiot!

Good way to start your time up here!

Link to him not being busted on two articles in the ucmj? Link to anything saying he didnt have to retire and pay a fine?

ONe link...one?

You are being dishonest here sir. Some would say you are a liar. I am one of them. Come back when you can prove he was not forced to retire and pay a fine. He was guilty of an assult and the army said get out or go to jail.

He is a disgrace and to tell you the truth, your side will support ANYONE on your side.

From the donald to this piece of shit. Be careful, if you lie with dogs you get a courts martial or be forced to retire or or or...file for bankruptcy four times.

 

[Zona]

You're done, Zona.

You've been nothing but dishonest in the two threads pertaining to this issue.

I don't believe a damn thing form you anymore.....You are a dishonest hack, nothing more.

I don't believe you served... I don't believe any of your claims of ANYTHING.

You blatantlly tried to deceive, both on the other thread, where I fully made you look like a lying fool, to this thread where you came up and tried to continue your blatant LYING!

You cannot provide one shred of evidence that West was forced to resign, or faced court martial had he not resigned.......NOT ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE, but you've been cackling on like it's the absolute truth.

I believe nothing that comes from you....You shot your own credibility down the tubes, with your blatant twists and lies.......You are a hack, nothing more!

And yes, West is more of a man and patriot than you could ever hope to be.......LIAR!

Oh my god..PEOPLE, HE IS DONE WITH ME..lol

I said it in the first post of this thread..I provided a link that said he was forced to get out and be fined. I said it will be the hardest thing ever for you but I wanted you to show me a link that says he didnt.

I knew you couldn't...but YOU ARE DONE WITH ME..Poseur. lololololol

Oh and again with this about me not serving. Stop being a little child.

84-88 aimd nas south weymouth First job...w/c 900 (gse) then the Cal lab w/c 670 (they closed this base a few years ago)
88 92 VF-301 (fighters in miramar. Hngr 5! They decommissioned though. Bummer) My favorite time in the service...Old old old birds though. We had a high maintenance man hours to flight hour ratio...
92-94 VAW-88 E-2's Same hngr as 301 but down the hall.(big plate on the top of our birds.... the reason why it was only 2 years is because they gave the damn base to the marines and decommissioned every squadron in that hanger...vf301 vf302 and vaw88)
95-98 Nar San Diego (North island...I spent the rest of my career on north island)
98-02 VR-57. C-9's. Most traveling in my career. We literally went around the world with all those dets). Fun fun fun place.
02-04 HC-85...freaking helo's but a cool way to end my career.

I really enjoyed going down this trip down memory lane and could care less if you believe me or not. I would like to thank anyone who was not forced to retire though. Thank you all.

Done with you?.....You could only be so lucky, you dishonest hack.

Nope, i'm gonna throw your lies in your face every chance I get, you dishonest hack.

And yes, you're done Zona.....Your credibility was flushed straight down the ******* toilet, by your own stupid ass.......You just couldn't help yourself from being blatantly dishonest.

NO COURT MARTIAL FOR LTC WEST
OFFICER TO RETIRE WITH FULL PENSION
ARMY BACKS OFF – GEN. ODIERNO
SHOULD BE RELIEVED OF COMMAND
FOR LACK OF PROPER LEADERSHIP
CASHIER 4TH DIV JAG OFFICERS AS WELL
INCIDENT CAUSED EMBARASSMENT
TO WHITE HOUSE – ACTIONS STUPID
AND DAMAGING TO TROOP MORALE

NO COURT MARTIAL FOR LTC WEST

Let me know if some of the words in this link are to big for ya...

 

[The Gadfly]

West, who was never trained and had never witnessed an interrogation, tortured someone. By torture I mean kidnapping, blindfolding, and beating while under interrogation. He was then slapped on the wrist by the army, charging him with assault rather than war crimes, or even kidnapping.

I just want to repeat that every couple pages so that people can remember what the facts of the situation are.

You have more than a few far RW palookas in this thread who are PUBLICLY claiming that they would like to be led by a "man" like West.

Can you believe that shat!?!??

One more time Marc, that "interrogation" does not meet my definition of "torture". IF you had ever been in combat against an insurgent force that does not play by ANY rules, you might have a slightly different take on the matter. Then again, If you had ever been in combat, you might just have a clearer understanding of what leadership is, in that situation. It's a hell of a lot easier to critique decisions, when you've never had to make them.

You hate the man's politics; fine, that's your right; condemning what you don't know is not. I think you know I try to be fair; I've stood up for your opinions on other threads, when I believed you were right. This time, I believe you are wrong.

 

[Wicked Jester]

Oh my god..PEOPLE, HE IS DONE WITH ME..lol

I said it in the first post of this thread..I provided a link that said he was forced to get out and be fined. I said it will be the hardest thing ever for you but I wanted you to show me a link that says he didnt.

I knew you couldn't...but YOU ARE DONE WITH ME..Poseur. lololololol

Oh and again with this about me not serving. Stop being a little child.

84-88 aimd nas south weymouth First job...w/c 900 (gse) then the Cal lab w/c 670 (they closed this base a few years ago)
88 92 VF-301 (fighters in miramar. Hngr 5! They decommissioned though. Bummer) My favorite time in the service...Old old old birds though. We had a high maintenance man hours to flight hour ratio...
92-94 VAW-88 E-2's Same hngr as 301 but down the hall.(big plate on the top of our birds.... the reason why it was only 2 years is because they gave the damn base to the marines and decommissioned every squadron in that hanger...vf301 vf302 and vaw88)
95-98 Nar San Diego (North island...I spent the rest of my career on north island)
98-02 VR-57. C-9's. Most traveling in my career. We literally went around the world with all those dets). Fun fun fun place.
02-04 HC-85...freaking helo's but a cool way to end my career.

I really enjoyed going down this trip down memory lane and could care less if you believe me or not. I would like to thank anyone who was not forced to retire though. Thank you all.

Done with you?.....You could only be so lucky, you dishonest hack.

Nope, i'm gonna throw your lies in your face every chance I get, you dishonest hack.

And yes, you're done Zona.....Your credibility was flushed straight down the ******* toilet, by your own stupid ass.......You just couldn't help yourself from being blatantly dishonest.

He was forced to get out and pay a fine. He was charged with violating two rules in the ucmj. He had a choice to go that route or be courts martial. He chose to be disgraced and have to retire (again, tell me him getting out was his idea..and please provide a link to prove it). YOU WILL SKIP OVER THIS OF COURSE AND SAY I AM LYING.

End result, he was forced to retire and had to pay a fine. He got off easy though if you ask me. He should have done 10 years for what he did.

Prove he was not forced to either and pay a fine and I will change my party and be a republican. Tee and a hee.

Please see the highlighted part above and provide a link or please admit you are lying.

**** you and god bless.

I told the truth about my military career (and again, I want to thank all my fellow vets in here...those who were not forced to retire. Speaking of this, any aviation squids in here? I know of one and we have talked before.)... and I explained to you why he HAD to retire and pay a fine. He is a disgrace.

You are the disgrace, you dishonest hack.

Prove he had to retire or face court martial. Prove that he was fined and kicked out.....You are making the claims, it's up to you to prove it.

Alan West is more of a man than you could ever be, you dishonest fuckin' hack.

The man served with Valor.......Bronze star, Three Army accomodations, one with VALOR.....Valorous unit award......The man is a god damn stud, who stood up for his men. You could NEVER make a claim like that, you fuckin' lying hack!

Now, prove he was forced to retire. We've already debunked your dishonest claim. It's up to you to undebunk it, LIAR!

 

[digger]

Honestly Zona, sometimes I think you're a conservative straw man plant. You should read your links before you post them. Militarycorruption.com clearly has an axe to grind.

"This is a far cry from what Odierno wanted to do to West a few weeks ago. An officer of unusually high integrity, the colonel had reported himself to his chain-of-command for firing a pistol near – not at – near, the head of an Iraqi prisoner to “get him to talk.” The tactic worked, and the prisoner divulged plans for an upcoming attack that could have cost several American lives."

This is a mix of omissions and lies. First of all, West did more than firing a gun near his head. He also had him kidnapped, blindfolded, and beaten. Also, the "tactic" did not work. The prisoner "broke" and started providing information that lead no where. No weapons were found, and no plans were found, although several houses were broken into and one other person arrested (hopefully not also tortured).

But I guess that's what information is worth when you get it by having someone who isn't trained in interrogation, and has never witnessed one, torture someone.

THE STRUGGLE FOR IRAQ - INTERROGATIONS - THE STRUGGLE FOR IRAQ - INTERROGATIONS - How Colonel Risked His Career By Menacing Detainee and Lost - NYTimes.com

Also unmentioned in your link, Zona... The plan that they were trying to get information about, the reason they were torturing this guy... West thought there was a plot to assassinate him. He was out to save his own skin.

 

[Zona]

West, who was never trained and had never witnessed an interrogation, tortured someone. By torture I mean kidnapping, blindfolding, and beating while under interrogation. He was then slapped on the wrist by the army, charging him with assault rather than war crimes, or even kidnapping.

I just want to repeat that every couple pages so that people can remember what the facts of the situation are.

You have more than a few far RW palookas in this thread who are PUBLICLY claiming that they would like to be led by a "man" like West.

Can you believe that shat!?!??

One more time Marc, that "interrogation" does not meet my definition of "torture". IF you had ever been in combat against an insurgent force that does not play by ANY rules, you might have a slightly different take on the matter. Then again, If you had ever been in combat, you might just have a clearer understanding of what leadership is, in that situation. It's a hell of a lot easier to critique decisions, when you've never had to make them.

You hate the man's politics; fine, that's your right; condemning what you don't know is not. I think you know I try to be fair; I've stood up for your opinions on other threads, when I believed you were right. This time, I believe you are wrong.

So he chose to retire and pay 5k to the army on his own?

I believe the army knows more about what is torture or assult than you do in as far as its soldiers. No? Its called two violations of the ucmj, and I am not talking small little incidents either...those were career killers.

He is a disgrace.

 

[Zona]

Now, let me guess; you got through your entire illustrious career, and never broke a single regulation; not a one, right?

I sure as hell did'nt violate article 128 like west did. Nope, no charges/conviction/fine/forced retirement for me. Does this answer your question?

NO! I asked if you ever violated regulations; which one(s) doesn't matter. Are you perfect, or not? Let's hear it! .

This isnt about me, its about a disgraced x army officer who got busted and had to pay a 5k fine and retire.

He is now a "model" for your side.


To ans your question about me, yes, I committed assault against someone I was not even supposed to interrogate and was forced to get out and pay a fine...oh wait, that was West. My bad.

Are you really going with, "he made a mistake..dont you make them?" Seriously?

 

[Jroc]

You have more than a few far RW palookas in this thread who are PUBLICLY claiming that they would like to be led by a "man" like West.

Can you believe that shat!?!??

One more time Marc, that "interrogation" does not meet my definition of "torture". IF you had ever been in combat against an insurgent force that does not play by ANY rules, you might have a slightly different take on the matter. Then again, If you had ever been in combat, you might just have a clearer understanding of what leadership is, in that situation. It's a hell of a lot easier to critique decisions, when you've never had to make them.

You hate the man's politics; fine, that's your right; condemning what you don't know is not. I think you know I try to be fair; I've stood up for your opinions on other threads, when I believed you were right. This time, I believe you are wrong.

So he chose to retire and pay 5k to the army on his own?

I believe the army knows more about what is torture or assult than you do in as far as its soldiers. No? Its called two violations of the ucmj, and I am not talking small little incidents either...those were career killers.

He is a disgrace.

For every piece of shit like you I could find a thousand or more soldiers who would want to be lead by Allen West. People like you are a joke, you'd throw your own people overboard becouse you don't agree with their politics your a pathetic little man just like your boy Obama.

 

[Zona]

Done with you?.....You could only be so lucky, you dishonest hack.

Nope, i'm gonna throw your lies in your face every chance I get, you dishonest hack.

And yes, you're done Zona.....Your credibility was flushed straight down the ******* toilet, by your own stupid ass.......You just couldn't help yourself from being blatantly dishonest.

He was forced to get out and pay a fine. He was charged with violating two rules in the ucmj. He had a choice to go that route or be courts martial. He chose to be disgraced and have to retire (again, tell me him getting out was his idea..and please provide a link to prove it). YOU WILL SKIP OVER THIS OF COURSE AND SAY I AM LYING.

End result, he was forced to retire and had to pay a fine. He got off easy though if you ask me. He should have done 10 years for what he did.

Prove he was not forced to either and pay a fine and I will change my party and be a republican. Tee and a hee.

Please see the highlighted part above and provide a link or please admit you are lying.

**** you and god bless.

I told the truth about my military career (and again, I want to thank all my fellow vets in here...those who were not forced to retire. Speaking of this, any aviation squids in here? I know of one and we have talked before.)... and I explained to you why he HAD to retire and pay a fine. He is a disgrace.

You are the disgrace, you dishonest hack.

Prove he had to retire or face court martial. Prove that he was fined and kicked out.....You are making the claims, it's up to you to prove it.

Alan West is more of a man than you could ever be, you dishonest fuckin' hack.

The man served with Valor.......Bronze star, Three Army accomodations, one with VALOR.....Valorous unit award......The man is a god damn stud, who stood up for his men. You could NEVER make a claim like that, you fuckin' lying hack!

Now, prove he was forced to retire. We've already debunked your dishonest claim. It's up to you to undebunk it, LIAR!

Did he or did he not violate two articles of the ucmj? If you say yes, can you list what they were (I can give those to you if you want). When you give those two articles, please explain what they are all about. AGain, I can do this for you.

Tell me again, it was his decision to retire. YOU CANT CAN YOU.
Again, I can list the two articles...the ball is in your court to prove why those two articles being violated did not make him retire and pay back 5k. THOSE WERE HIS CHOICES?

If you cant do this, go sit in the corner...grown men are talking.

 

[Rambunctious]

Please this slowly...then explain what an article 128 is. Jester, please focus on this for a second. What exactly is an article 128? Then get into article 134. You had the nerve to call me a poseur? Poseur, Allen West is a disgrace.

While serving in Taji, Iraq, West received information from an intelligence specialist about a reported plot to ambush him and his men.[11] The alleged plot reportedly involved Yahya Jhodri Hamoodi, a civilian Iraqi police officer.[11] At first, West thought the reports were a joke...until a week later when several of his officers were ambushed when he was supposed to be traveling with them. At that point, Colonel West began taking the risk of a planned assassination attempt seriously. [11] West, who was not responsible for conducting interrogations in Iraq and had never conducted or witnessed one, had his men detain Hamoodi.[11] In the process of detaining Mr. Hamoodi, soldiers testified that Mr. Hamoodi appeared to go for his weapon and needed to be subdued.[11] Hamoodi was beaten by four of his soldiers from the 220th Field Artillery Battalion on the head and body.[12] West then fired his pistol near Hamoodi's head.[11] Hamoodi then provided West with names and information, what Hamoodi later described as "meaningless information induced by fear and pain."[11] At least one suspect was arrested as a result, but no plans for attacks or weapons were found.[11] West said "At the time I had to base my decision on the intelligence I received. It's possible that I was wrong about Mr. Hamoodi."[11]

West was charged with violating articles 128 (assault) and 134 (general article) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. During a hearing held as part of an Article 32 investigation in November 2003, West stated, "I know the method I used was not right, but I wanted to take care of my soldiers."[citation needed] The charges were ultimately referred to an Article 15 proceeding rather than court-martial, at which West was fined $5,000.[11] LTC West accepted the judgment and retired with full benefits in the summer of 2004. Asked if he would have act differently if under similar circumstances again, West testified, "If it's about the lives of my soldiers at stake, I'd go through hell with a gasoline can."[13] After Colonel West was relieved of his command, an interpreter said that without his presence the region he previously oversaw became more dangerous and chaotic.[11]




(I am talking to military people for a minute here) there are rules and the ucmj is there for a reason. True?You violate it, you can get kicked out. Righty Mr. West? Civilians dont seem to get this. There are are reasons why you do missions you are responsible for. When you cross the line, you are in violation of the UCMJ. Righty Jester? This disgraced idiot was never responsible for that interrogation. That is why he was busted and in my opinion, they should not have given him a choice and they should have put him behind bars for 10 years.

HE IS A DISGRACE. I know a lot of civilians will say so what, but the military has rules and this "officer" broke them. There are ways to complete mission while following the damn rules. I am going with the army and not some arm chair guy who says "so what"..he committed assult and I agree with the Army. He should have and did have to retire.

God bless America.

Jester, prove me wrong. This will be the hardest thing you have ever done but, If you dont like the link, prove me wrong with a different one that says he did't commit assult. You know, article 128 and dont forget article 134.


Allen West (politician) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Zona,
You're in violation of the UCMJ when you get sunburned. You sir... should think before you post. Stay away from the leftwing nutjob blogs. Just try to denigrate this great man. You will lose.

 

[digger]

One more time Marc, that "interrogation" does not meet my definition of "torture". IF you had ever been in combat against an insurgent force that does not play by ANY rules, you might have a slightly different take on the matter. Then again, If you had ever been in combat, you might just have a clearer understanding of what leadership is, in that situation. It's a hell of a lot easier to critique decisions, when you've never had to make them.

You hate the man's politics; fine, that's your right; condemning what you don't know is not. I think you know I try to be fair; I've stood up for your opinions on other threads, when I believed you were right. This time, I believe you are wrong.

I don't get it. What is not torture about kidnapping, blindfolding, beating, and threatening to kill someone? If that is not torture, than what is?

According to the Geneva Convention, this is what torture is.

...any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him, or a third person, information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in, or incidental to, lawful sanctions. --UN Convention Against Torture[1]

So um, yeah. There ya go.

 

[The Gadfly]

One more time Marc, that "interrogation" does not meet my definition of "torture". IF you had ever been in combat against an insurgent force that does not play by ANY rules, you might have a slightly different take on the matter. Then again, If you had ever been in combat, you might just have a clearer understanding of what leadership is, in that situation. It's a hell of a lot easier to critique decisions, when you've never had to make them.

You hate the man's politics; fine, that's your right; condemning what you don't know is not. I think you know I try to be fair; I've stood up for your opinions on other threads, when I believed you were right. This time, I believe you are wrong.

I don't get it. What is not torture about kidnapping, blindfolding, beating, and threatening to kill someone? If that is not torture, than what is?

According to the Geneva Convention, this is what torture is.

...any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him, or a third person, information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in, or incidental to, lawful sanctions. --UN Convention Against Torture[1]

So um, yeah. There ya go.

Yeah, and unless we go to war with the Brits again, good luck finding us an enemy who pays any attention whatsoever to the GC, whether we do, or not. Tell you what, ask any of the men who were in the Hanoi Hilton how much good the GC did them. Personally, I'd like to tear the damn thing up, and fight under the black flag-no quarter, asked or given! Let me put it this way; in Vietnam, it was a good idea to save one bullet, or your last grenade, for yourself; surrendering to the VC was not an option. You are invited to wonder, how we treated them, as a result, or if I give a rat's ass!

 

[digger]

It doesn't sound like you're saying it's not torture anymore. It sounds like you're saying that torture is justified because we need to sink to the level of the sociopaths we're fighting against. Even if that means torturing people who may or may not be terrorists.

Is that what you're saying? You agree that it's torture. But you believe it's justified.

If you think it's justified, how do you explain the uselessness of the torture? West was never trained in interrogation. He had never witnessed an interrogation. The information he got led to no weapons or plans being discovered.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/27/w...er-menacing-detainee.html?pagewanted=6&src=pm

Colonel West testified that he did not know whether ''any corroboration'' of a plot was ever found, adding: ''At the time I had to base my decision on the intelligence I received. It's possible that I was wrong about Mr. Hamoodi.''

 

[MarcATL]

It doesn't sound like you're saying it's not torture anymore. It sounds like you're saying that torture is justified because we need to sink to the level of the sociopaths we're fighting against. Even if that means torturing people who may or may not be terrorists.

Is that what you're saying? You agree that it's torture. But you believe it's justified.

I don't think that these far RW Palookas know WHAT the heck they're saying...the just REACT, LASH OUT and CLUTCH at ANYTHING they think will be beneficial to them....at that very moment. Nothing they said or did before matters, nothing they will say or do afterwards matters either.

Like wilderbeast...now for now. That's what they know. That's all they know.

Sad.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Then respect the service of LTC West. He made a mistake, he paid for it. There is no disgrace. But you of course hate him because he might be a small threat to the Obama....

Yeah, we understand....

You and your DEGENERATE RW ilk DISRESPECTED a TRUE hero...one who won meddles.

You and your DEGENERATE RW ilk saw fit to SWIFTBOAT a real American patroit.

And for what...for Partisan bullshat...

Go blow it out your A$$!!

"meddles"...Hey genius....those are "Medals"...
Oh and why is it Dan Rather (biased) was FIRED from CBS?.....Was it because.....Oh that's right he falsified a news report or two about a sitting president's military record. Oh, but that's ok, right markie?
What is a "patroit"? Are you a product of those fine Atlanta Public Schools?

 

[Wicked Jester]

It doesn't sound like you're saying it's not torture anymore. It sounds like you're saying that torture is justified because we need to sink to the level of the sociopaths we're fighting against. Even if that means torturing people who may or may not be terrorists.

Is that what you're saying? You agree that it's torture. But you believe it's justified.

If you think it's justified, how do you explain the uselessness of the torture? West was never trained in interrogation. He had never witnessed an interrogation. The information he got led to no weapons or plans being discovered.

THE STRUGGLE FOR IRAQ: INTERROGATIONS; How Colonel Risked His Career By Menacing Detainee and Lost - Page 6 - New York Times

Colonel West testified that he did not know whether ''any corroboration'' of a plot was ever found, adding: ''At the time I had to base my decision on the intelligence I received. It's possible that I was wrong about Mr. Hamoodi.''

Nobody was tortured. Stop your lying, lil' man!

 

[thereisnospoon]

It doesn't sound like you're saying it's not torture anymore. It sounds like you're saying that torture is justified because we need to sink to the level of the sociopaths we're fighting against. Even if that means torturing people who may or may not be terrorists.

Is that what you're saying? You agree that it's torture. But you believe it's justified.

I don't think that these far RW Palookas know WHAT the heck they're saying...the just REACT, LASH OUT and CLUTCH at ANYTHING they think will be beneficial to them....at that very moment. Nothing they said or did before matters, nothing they will say or do afterwards matters either.

Like wilderbeast...now for now. That's what they know. That's all they know.

Sad.

Did you make it past the 7th grade?....Those animals are called "wildebeest"....
Hey smokey, google is a wonderful tool......Pretty fuckin easy...