Allen West is a disgrace.

[Jack Fate]

I apologize for my vulgar spitting comments referring to West. I let the base negative instincts get the better of me. I wouldn't spit in his face...that's rude.

Besides, he'd kick the **** out of your whiny little liberal ass.

Are you suggesting that you can beat him up...or you can beat me up? I'm pretty sure YOU can't do either.

The little crippled kid next door could beat you up.

 

[MarcATL]

Republicans have a history of elevating and supporting criminals in the Oval Office, Nixon, Reagan....Bush II.

They all committed crimes, lie about it, then half-apologize about it, and are then supported/elevated by their fellow RWers for it.

Because you radical reactionary RW bootlickers seems to be ALLERGIC to the God's Honest TRUTH:

Nixon And Watergate - No Whitewash
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plgNeLBxcUc]YouTube - Nixon and Watergate - No Whitewash[/ame]

Reagan Breaks The Law, Then Lies About It
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZfnOJd_FmA]YouTube - Reagan Breaks Laws then Lies About It[/ame]

Bush WMD Lies
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDeYUBtFIzI]YouTube - bush wmd lies[/ame]

Bush Lies About Iran WMD
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfX7OkMjjBk]YouTube - Bush Lies about Iran WMD[/ame]

Bush Admits That Iraq Had Nothing To Do With 9/11
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_A77N5WKWM]YouTube - Bush admits that Iraq Had Nothing To Do With 9/11[/ame]

Bush Gets Caugh In His Own Lie​

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sulDYYAiCU]YouTube - Bush Gets Caught In His Own Lie[/ame]

Watch the videos, they aren't long, and then tell me I'm lying.


*SMH*

If you had a lick of intelligence you would have posted the following.
Clinton Admits Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq.
But you're a left wing moonbat radical. So you ignore the whole story and run on with your boorish and boring Bush bash.

You truly are the DUMBEST john on this board...and that's no easy feat with Palookas like House, CaliGurl, Stef, and LoneStartTexasGuy....and RadioATLGuy....and SFCOllie.

Great job.

 

[MarcATL]

Besides, he'd kick the **** out of your whiny little liberal ass.

Are you suggesting that you can beat him up...or you can beat me up? I'm pretty sure YOU can't do either.

The little crippled kid next door could beat you up.

If you say so Patsy.


lol

 

[Zona]

Please this slowly...then explain what an article 128 is. Jester, please focus on this for a second. What exactly is an article 128? Then get into article 134. You had the nerve to call me a poseur? Poseur, Allen West is a disgrace.

While serving in Taji, Iraq, West received information from an intelligence specialist about a reported plot to ambush him and his men.[11] The alleged plot reportedly involved Yahya Jhodri Hamoodi, a civilian Iraqi police officer.[11] At first, West thought the reports were a joke...until a week later when several of his officers were ambushed when he was supposed to be traveling with them. At that point, Colonel West began taking the risk of a planned assassination attempt seriously. [11] West, who was not responsible for conducting interrogations in Iraq and had never conducted or witnessed one, had his men detain Hamoodi.[11] In the process of detaining Mr. Hamoodi, soldiers testified that Mr. Hamoodi appeared to go for his weapon and needed to be subdued.[11] Hamoodi was beaten by four of his soldiers from the 220th Field Artillery Battalion on the head and body.[12] West then fired his pistol near Hamoodi's head.[11] Hamoodi then provided West with names and information, what Hamoodi later described as "meaningless information induced by fear and pain."[11] At least one suspect was arrested as a result, but no plans for attacks or weapons were found.[11] West said "At the time I had to base my decision on the intelligence I received. It's possible that I was wrong about Mr. Hamoodi."[11]

West was charged with violating articles 128 (assault) and 134 (general article) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. During a hearing held as part of an Article 32 investigation in November 2003, West stated, "I know the method I used was not right, but I wanted to take care of my soldiers."[citation needed] The charges were ultimately referred to an Article 15 proceeding rather than court-martial, at which West was fined $5,000.[11] LTC West accepted the judgment and retired with full benefits in the summer of 2004. Asked if he would have act differently if under similar circumstances again, West testified, "If it's about the lives of my soldiers at stake, I'd go through hell with a gasoline can."[13] After Colonel West was relieved of his command, an interpreter said that without his presence the region he previously oversaw became more dangerous and chaotic.[11]




(I am talking to military people for a minute here) there are rules and the ucmj is there for a reason. True?You violate it, you can get kicked out. Righty Mr. West? Civilians dont seem to get this. There are are reasons why you do missions you are responsible for. When you cross the line, you are in violation of the UCMJ. Righty Jester? This disgraced idiot was never responsible for that interrogation. That is why he was busted and in my opinion, they should not have given him a choice and they should have put him behind bars for 10 years.

HE IS A DISGRACE. I know a lot of civilians will say so what, but the military has rules and this "officer" broke them. There are ways to complete mission while following the damn rules. I am going with the army and not some arm chair guy who says "so what"..he committed assult and I agree with the Army. He should have and did have to retire.

God bless America.

Jester, prove me wrong. This will be the hardest thing you have ever done but, If you dont like the link, prove me wrong with a different one that says he did't commit assult. You know, article 128 and dont forget article 134.


Allen West (politician) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

California girl, since you neg rep so much why wont you allow response messages?

Sort of a coward move, dontcha think?

 

[Zona]

Please this slowly...then explain what an article 128 is. Jester, please focus on this for a second. What exactly is an article 128? Then get into article 134. You had the nerve to call me a poseur? Poseur, Allen West is a disgrace.

While serving in Taji, Iraq, West received information from an intelligence specialist about a reported plot to ambush him and his men.[11] The alleged plot reportedly involved Yahya Jhodri Hamoodi, a civilian Iraqi police officer.[11] At first, West thought the reports were a joke...until a week later when several of his officers were ambushed when he was supposed to be traveling with them. At that point, Colonel West began taking the risk of a planned assassination attempt seriously. [11] West, who was not responsible for conducting interrogations in Iraq and had never conducted or witnessed one, had his men detain Hamoodi.[11] In the process of detaining Mr. Hamoodi, soldiers testified that Mr. Hamoodi appeared to go for his weapon and needed to be subdued.[11] Hamoodi was beaten by four of his soldiers from the 220th Field Artillery Battalion on the head and body.[12] West then fired his pistol near Hamoodi's head.[11] Hamoodi then provided West with names and information, what Hamoodi later described as "meaningless information induced by fear and pain."[11] At least one suspect was arrested as a result, but no plans for attacks or weapons were found.[11] West said "At the time I had to base my decision on the intelligence I received. It's possible that I was wrong about Mr. Hamoodi."[11]

West was charged with violating articles 128 (assault) and 134 (general article) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. During a hearing held as part of an Article 32 investigation in November 2003, West stated, "I know the method I used was not right, but I wanted to take care of my soldiers."[citation needed] The charges were ultimately referred to an Article 15 proceeding rather than court-martial, at which West was fined $5,000.[11] LTC West accepted the judgment and retired with full benefits in the summer of 2004. Asked if he would have act differently if under similar circumstances again, West testified, "If it's about the lives of my soldiers at stake, I'd go through hell with a gasoline can."[13] After Colonel West was relieved of his command, an interpreter said that without his presence the region he previously oversaw became more dangerous and chaotic.[11]




(I am talking to military people for a minute here) there are rules and the ucmj is there for a reason. True?You violate it, you can get kicked out. Righty Mr. West? Civilians dont seem to get this. There are are reasons why you do missions you are responsible for. When you cross the line, you are in violation of the UCMJ. Righty Jester? This disgraced idiot was never responsible for that interrogation. That is why he was busted and in my opinion, they should not have given him a choice and they should have put him behind bars for 10 years.

HE IS A DISGRACE. I know a lot of civilians will say so what, but the military has rules and this "officer" broke them. There are ways to complete mission while following the damn rules. I am going with the army and not some arm chair guy who says "so what"..he committed assult and I agree with the Army. He should have and did have to retire.

God bless America.

Jester, prove me wrong. This will be the hardest thing you have ever done but, If you dont like the link, prove me wrong with a different one that says he did't commit assult. You know, article 128 and dont forget article 134.


Allen West (politician) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oh, West is that guy.

If he runs for POTUS I'd vote for him just for that alone.

You probably admire that little twink that turned all of that stuff over to Wikileaks.

That's your idea of a hero.

Oh, and one more thing......thanks for supporting our troops.

I am a retired Navy man. 20 years. I support the troops a hell of a lot more than a lot of civilians I know. I also know we have rules we follow because we are the best fighting machine in the world. We have those rules for a reason and this jerk just didnt care.

In my circle of vet friends, we say he is a disgraced Army officer who was forced to retire. Non of us were forced out. We went out with dignity.

 

[Zona]

You can call it a lie all you want. But you still can't explain it. It's in the public record. He kidnapped, blindfolded, and beat someone for information. That's called torture. The army can call it assault if they want, but we all know better.

Obviously you don't know better.

Well, I know better. Did you not see the articles he was found GUILTY of violating?

I am trying to give you as much respect as I can sir, but come on.

 

[thereisnospoon]

You can call it a lie all you want. But you still can't explain it. It's in the public record. He kidnapped, blindfolded, and beat someone for information. That's called torture. The army can call it assault if they want, but we all know better.

Who is "we"?

 

[Wicked Jester]

Please this slowly...then explain what an article 128 is. Jester, please focus on this for a second. What exactly is an article 128? Then get into article 134. You had the nerve to call me a poseur? Poseur, Allen West is a disgrace.

While serving in Taji, Iraq, West received information from an intelligence specialist about a reported plot to ambush him and his men.[11] The alleged plot reportedly involved Yahya Jhodri Hamoodi, a civilian Iraqi police officer.[11] At first, West thought the reports were a joke...until a week later when several of his officers were ambushed when he was supposed to be traveling with them. At that point, Colonel West began taking the risk of a planned assassination attempt seriously. [11] West, who was not responsible for conducting interrogations in Iraq and had never conducted or witnessed one, had his men detain Hamoodi.[11] In the process of detaining Mr. Hamoodi, soldiers testified that Mr. Hamoodi appeared to go for his weapon and needed to be subdued.[11] Hamoodi was beaten by four of his soldiers from the 220th Field Artillery Battalion on the head and body.[12] West then fired his pistol near Hamoodi's head.[11] Hamoodi then provided West with names and information, what Hamoodi later described as "meaningless information induced by fear and pain."[11] At least one suspect was arrested as a result, but no plans for attacks or weapons were found.[11] West said "At the time I had to base my decision on the intelligence I received. It's possible that I was wrong about Mr. Hamoodi."[11]

West was charged with violating articles 128 (assault) and 134 (general article) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. During a hearing held as part of an Article 32 investigation in November 2003, West stated, "I know the method I used was not right, but I wanted to take care of my soldiers."[citation needed] The charges were ultimately referred to an Article 15 proceeding rather than court-martial, at which West was fined $5,000.[11] LTC West accepted the judgment and retired with full benefits in the summer of 2004. Asked if he would have act differently if under similar circumstances again, West testified, "If it's about the lives of my soldiers at stake, I'd go through hell with a gasoline can."[13] After Colonel West was relieved of his command, an interpreter said that without his presence the region he previously oversaw became more dangerous and chaotic.[11]




(I am talking to military people for a minute here) there are rules and the ucmj is there for a reason. True?You violate it, you can get kicked out. Righty Mr. West? Civilians dont seem to get this. There are are reasons why you do missions you are responsible for. When you cross the line, you are in violation of the UCMJ. Righty Jester? This disgraced idiot was never responsible for that interrogation. That is why he was busted and in my opinion, they should not have given him a choice and they should have put him behind bars for 10 years.

HE IS A DISGRACE. I know a lot of civilians will say so what, but the military has rules and this "officer" broke them. There are ways to complete mission while following the damn rules. I am going with the army and not some arm chair guy who says "so what"..he committed assult and I agree with the Army. He should have and did have to retire.

God bless America.

Jester, prove me wrong. This will be the hardest thing you have ever done but, If you dont like the link, prove me wrong with a different one that says he did't commit assult. You know, article 128 and dont forget article 134.


Allen West (politician) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oh, West is that guy.

If he runs for POTUS I'd vote for him just for that alone.

You probably admire that little twink that turned all of that stuff over to Wikileaks.

That's your idea of a hero.

Oh, and one more thing......thanks for supporting our troops.

I am a retired Navy man. 20 years. I support the troops a hell of a lot more than a lot of civilians I know. I also know we have rules we follow because we are the best fighting machine in the world. We have those rules for a reason and this jerk just didnt care.

In my circle of vet friends, we say he is a disgraced Army officer who was forced to retire. Non of us were forced out. We went out with dignity.

First of all, you didn't spend one damn day in the Navy....It's only too damn obvious......Had you been through basic/boot, you would have had to endure that boring ass UCMJ class that every member of the armed forces must sit through. You damn sure would have known the differences between Article 15 and court martial, And you would know about article 32.

Second of all, you are abjectly LYING in stating that West was forced to retire, or face court martial........That is a blatant ******* lie, and only further shoves what lil' integrity you may have HAD, straight dowm the ******* toilet!

Quit your fuckin' lying, ZONA!

 

[SFC Ollie]

You can call it a lie all you want. But you still can't explain it. It's in the public record. He kidnapped, blindfolded, and beat someone for information. That's called torture. The army can call it assault if they want, but we all know better.

Obviously you don't know better.

Well, I know better. Did you not see the articles he was found GUILTY of violating?

I am trying to give you as much respect as I can sir, but come on.

Then respect the service of LTC West. He made a mistake, he paid for it. There is no disgrace. But you of course hate him because he might be a small threat to the Obama....

Yeah, we understand....

 

[Trajan]

Please this slowly...then explain what an article 128 is. Jester, please focus on this for a second. What exactly is an article 128? Then get into article 134. You had the nerve to call me a poseur? Poseur, Allen West is a disgrace.

While serving in Taji, Iraq, West received information from an intelligence specialist about a reported plot to ambush him and his men.[11] The alleged plot reportedly involved Yahya Jhodri Hamoodi, a civilian Iraqi police officer.[11] At first, West thought the reports were a joke...until a week later when several of his officers were ambushed when he was supposed to be traveling with them. At that point, Colonel West began taking the risk of a planned assassination attempt seriously. [11] West, who was not responsible for conducting interrogations in Iraq and had never conducted or witnessed one, had his men detain Hamoodi.[11] In the process of detaining Mr. Hamoodi, soldiers testified that Mr. Hamoodi appeared to go for his weapon and needed to be subdued.[11] Hamoodi was beaten by four of his soldiers from the 220th Field Artillery Battalion on the head and body.[12] West then fired his pistol near Hamoodi's head.[11] Hamoodi then provided West with names and information, what Hamoodi later described as "meaningless information induced by fear and pain."[11] At least one suspect was arrested as a result, but no plans for attacks or weapons were found.[11] West said "At the time I had to base my decision on the intelligence I received. It's possible that I was wrong about Mr. Hamoodi."[11]

West was charged with violating articles 128 (assault) and 134 (general article) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. During a hearing held as part of an Article 32 investigation in November 2003, West stated, "I know the method I used was not right, but I wanted to take care of my soldiers."[citation needed] The charges were ultimately referred to an Article 15 proceeding rather than court-martial, at which West was fined $5,000.[11] LTC West accepted the judgment and retired with full benefits in the summer of 2004. Asked if he would have act differently if under similar circumstances again, West testified, "If it's about the lives of my soldiers at stake, I'd go through hell with a gasoline can."[13] After Colonel West was relieved of his command, an interpreter said that without his presence the region he previously oversaw became more dangerous and chaotic.[11]




(I am talking to military people for a minute here) there are rules and the ucmj is there for a reason. True?You violate it, you can get kicked out. Righty Mr. West? Civilians dont seem to get this. There are are reasons why you do missions you are responsible for. When you cross the line, you are in violation of the UCMJ. Righty Jester? This disgraced idiot was never responsible for that interrogation. That is why he was busted and in my opinion, they should not have given him a choice and they should have put him behind bars for 10 years.

HE IS A DISGRACE. I know a lot of civilians will say so what, but the military has rules and this "officer" broke them. There are ways to complete mission while following the damn rules. I am going with the army and not some arm chair guy who says "so what"..he committed assult and I agree with the Army. He should have and did have to retire.

God bless America.

Jester, prove me wrong. This will be the hardest thing you have ever done but, If you dont like the link, prove me wrong with a different one that says he did't commit assult. You know, article 128 and dont forget article 134.


Allen West (politician) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oh, West is that guy.

If he runs for POTUS I'd vote for him just for that alone.

You probably admire that little twink that turned all of that stuff over to Wikileaks.

That's your idea of a hero.

Oh, and one more thing......thanks for supporting our troops.

I am a retired Navy man. 20 years. I support the troops a hell of a lot more than a lot of civilians I know. I also know we have rules we follow because we are the best fighting machine in the world. We have those rules for a reason and this jerk just didnt care.

In my circle of vet friends, we say he is a disgraced Army officer who was forced to retire. Non of us were forced out. We went out with dignity.

don't you even try comparing your experiences or, more properly, lack there of, to his........please huh.

 

[The Gadfly]

I see a trend in who some on the Right admire in the Military....West....North.....those who do not follow the law. Them, they like.

You spent twenty years stepping all over military rules, and I have zero respect for you so, as usual, you're full of shit!

Bodecea,

The fact is, you spent every day of your career in at least technical violation of the same UCMJ you think everyone else should strictly observe. By the standard you are applying to Col. West (and others) it does not matter, whether you, I or anyone else thought the regulations in question were fair, or a good idea, or morally justified, or not; one is just as guilty anyway, according to you. I'm not going to condemn what you did, here (1) because this is not the place, and (2) because I'm not certain it should be condemned. I AM however, going to condemn the hypocrisy you are demonstrating right here, right now. If you picked and chose which regulations to obey based on PERSONAL DESIRES (i.e. PURE SELF-INTEREST) , you have ZERO standing to accuse a fellow officer of wrongdoing for doing the same for UNSELFISH REASONS, i.e. protecting the lives of his soldiers.

 

[The Gadfly]

Once upon a time, we had the quaint concept that the provisions of the UCMJ existed to preserve good order and discipline, NOT to unnecessarily endanger the lives of American troops for political ends. Once upon a time, there existed the common sense idea that a combat officer did what he had to do to protect the lives of this men, and that what some JAG officer sitting on his butt in his air-conditioned office, and the other associated REMF types, didn't officially know, wouldn't hurt them. The understanding was, that an officer did what he believed necessary to protect his troops and perform the mission, and that , should he be too obvious about that, and ran afoul of some politically motivated issues, he paid the price for it. Ever since Vietnam, the tendency is to go actively looking for what used to be overlooked as long as it was done discreetly. For some reason, I find that a bigger disgrace, than anything Col. West did.

Combat soldiers aren't cops, Mike; they are trained to break things and kill people; troops are for fighting (and winning) wars, not peacekeeping and nation building. The fact that a lot of Americans have forgotten that, does not make it any less true.

While combat troops are trained to break things and kill people their officers are trained to exercise judgment in their deployment of those troops and to control their actions.

The notion that Col. West was "doing what he had to do to protect his troops" is misleading. It was not his place to act aggressively in response to information -- which he later acknowledged was probably false, but to forward that information to his headquarters for evaluation and appropriate action. He was a line officer, not an autonomous intelligence liaison.

There is a tendency for many Americans to forget that we are not at war in Iraq. The fact is our country illegally invaded and occupied that country without provocation and those Iraqis who are actively resisting us are doing the same thing some Americans would be doing if the situation was reversed. Some of the things our troops do in that country, such as the atrocities perpetrated in the Abu Ghraib prison and elsewhere, the routine kicking down of doors and the all-too-frequent mistreatment, including beatings and gang rapes of Iraqi citizens, most of which we never hear about, are done in all our names.

Such incidents as U.S. Army Colonel West conducting himself like Tony Soprano with a gang of goons isn't helping matters. In fact, such incidents serve as recruiting inducements for the kind of resistance fighters who plant roadside bombs and ambush military movements. So West's assertion that he was acting in the interest of the troops is so much specious nonsense.

Allen West is another self-serving glory-seeking phony from the mold of Oliver North, which is why the Army saw fit to kick him out.

Post of the thread!!!

Marc, how about telling us just where you acquired your sudden respect for regulations and the UCMJ, specifically as these apply in ground combat against an insurgency. I know what my experience in those matters is; WHAT'S YOURS?

 

[MarcATL]

Then respect the service of LTC West. He made a mistake, he paid for it. There is no disgrace. But you of course hate him because he might be a small threat to the Obama....

Yeah, we understand....

You and your DEGENERATE RW ilk DISRESPECTED a TRUE hero...one who won meddles.

You and your DEGENERATE RW ilk saw fit to SWIFTBOAT a real American patroit.

And for what...for Partisan bullshat...

Go blow it out your A$$!!

 

[Zona]

Oh, West is that guy.

If he runs for POTUS I'd vote for him just for that alone.

You probably admire that little twink that turned all of that stuff over to Wikileaks.

That's your idea of a hero.

Oh, and one more thing......thanks for supporting our troops.

I am a retired Navy man. 20 years. I support the troops a hell of a lot more than a lot of civilians I know. I also know we have rules we follow because we are the best fighting machine in the world. We have those rules for a reason and this jerk just didnt care.

In my circle of vet friends, we say he is a disgraced Army officer who was forced to retire. Non of us were forced out. We went out with dignity.

don't you even try comparing your experiences or, more properly, lack there of, to his........please huh.

Mudwhistle said this to me: Oh, and one more thing......thanks for supporting our troops.


I then told him I did support our troops and explained I did 20 years in the Navy.

The only comparison I did to this piece of shit was to say I retired and was not forced to do so. I want to repeat this, I retired and did not the have the choice of facing two violations of the ucmj or going to courts martial where I could have faced 10 years.

Again, this idiot to the army, every single service member serving and who is retired. He is a disgrace.

Those two infringements from an army officer is disgusting and if he was on our side, you would say the same damn thing.

 

[Jroc]

The problem with liberals is they are so quick to condemn our own people, our own troops. All the while they try desperately to make excuses for our enemies.. Totally convoluted thinking. They spit on our troops returning from Vietnam, they call our troops "baby killers" they will reveal the names of our intelligent people who are interrogating the enemy to save American lives and call it "torture" they are pathetic. Everything is our fault from global warming to the anti -American hate in the mid-east, because of them we can't even fight and win a war anymore.

 

[MarcATL]

Mudwhistle said this to me: Oh, and one more thing......thanks for supporting our troops.


I then told him I did support our troops and explained I did 20 years in the Navy.

The only comparison I did to this piece of shit was to say I retired and was not forced to do so. I want to repeat this, I retired and did not the have the choice of facing two violations of the ucmj or going to courts martial where I could have faced 10 years.

Again, this idiot to the army, every single service member serving and who is retired. He is a disgrace.

Those two infringements from an army officer is disgusting and if he was on our side, you would say the same damn thing.

They would say WORSE. Remember what those guttersnipe did to Kerry!??

 

[Zona]

Oh, West is that guy.

If he runs for POTUS I'd vote for him just for that alone.

You probably admire that little twink that turned all of that stuff over to Wikileaks.

That's your idea of a hero.

Oh, and one more thing......thanks for supporting our troops.

I am a retired Navy man. 20 years. I support the troops a hell of a lot more than a lot of civilians I know. I also know we have rules we follow because we are the best fighting machine in the world. We have those rules for a reason and this jerk just didnt care.

In my circle of vet friends, we say he is a disgraced Army officer who was forced to retire. Non of us were forced out. We went out with dignity.

First of all, you didn't spend one damn day in the Navy....It's only too damn obvious......Had you been through basic/boot, you would have had to endure that boring ass UCMJ class that every member of the armed forces must sit through. You damn sure would have known the differences between Article 15 and court martial, And you would know about article 32.

Second of all, you are abjectly LYING in stating that West was forced to retire, or face court martial........That is a blatant ******* lie, and only further shoves what lil' integrity you may have HAD, straight dowm the ******* toilet!

Quit your fuckin' lying, ZONA!

I asked you this..."What exactly is an article 128? Then get into article 134". Do you need help with this? Did you read what happended here. I know the differnce between an article 15 and a courts martial.

Did he retire because he wanted to or did he have to get out and pay 5k or face a courts martial?

Oh and you saying I didnt serve..you are acting like a child. A message board guy is going to tell me I didnt get my dd214 in 04.

 

[Zona]

Oh and in case you forget...West is a piece of shit disgraced kicked out x army officer.

He didnt just make a mistake sfc ollie, what he did was huge..particularly if you are an Officer.

The army said get out, give us 5k or face going to jail.

Guess which one he chose.

 

[MarcATL]

I asked you this..."What exactly is an article 128? Then get into article 134". Do you need help with this? Did you read what happended here. I know the differnce between an article 15 and a courts martial.

Did he retire because he wanted to or did he have to get out and pay 5k or face a courts martial?

Oh and you saying I didnt serve..you are acting like a child. A message board guy is going to tell me I didnt get my dd214 in 04.

Don't worry about that gutternsipe.

God bless you my friend. Thank you for your service.

 

[Zona]

While combat troops are trained to break things and kill people their officers are trained to exercise judgment in their deployment of those troops and to control their actions.

The notion that Col. West was "doing what he had to do to protect his troops" is misleading. It was not his place to act aggressively in response to information -- which he later acknowledged was probably false, but to forward that information to his headquarters for evaluation and appropriate action. He was a line officer, not an autonomous intelligence liaison.

There is a tendency for many Americans to forget that we are not at war in Iraq. The fact is our country illegally invaded and occupied that country without provocation and those Iraqis who are actively resisting us are doing the same thing some Americans would be doing if the situation was reversed. Some of the things our troops do in that country, such as the atrocities perpetrated in the Abu Ghraib prison and elsewhere, the routine kicking down of doors and the all-too-frequent mistreatment, including beatings and gang rapes of Iraqi citizens, most of which we never hear about, are done in all our names.

Such incidents as U.S. Army Colonel West conducting himself like Tony Soprano with a gang of goons isn't helping matters. In fact, such incidents serve as recruiting inducements for the kind of resistance fighters who plant roadside bombs and ambush military movements. So West's assertion that he was acting in the interest of the troops is so much specious nonsense.

Allen West is another self-serving glory-seeking phony from the mold of Oliver North, which is why the Army saw fit to kick him out.

Post of the thread!!!

Marc, how about telling us just where you acquired your sudden respect for regulations and the UCMJ, specifically as these apply in ground combat against an insurgency. I know what my experience in those matters is; WHAT'S YOURS?

Then you get it. You understand what this disgraced x army officer did. You know how serious rules are out there and for someone to do such a horrible job in a situation he should NEVER have been involved in, he was busted.

Thank god, someone who gets it.