Allen West is a disgrace.

[Soggy in NOLA]

Shame these, you idiot:

Seriously, you have now taken your place next to Truthmatters as one of the goofiest, strangest lil' posters on this board.

I have a feeling that earning your dislike is a right of passage around here. You've definitely earned mine. You're too smart to be stupid. But you act to dumb to be genuine. You just keep on trolling.

I don't dislike you, I loathe your BS.

You're up here lying about West and Torture.

You're trying to preach that white guilt BS......You can stick that up your ignorant ass.

You're up here trying to preach that racial profiling BS, as if it's some outta control practice, and one big conspiracy against the poor lil' blacks.

You're up here trying to claim you're gonna somehow shame us into believing your fuckin' loony hogwash......Son, you need to grow the **** up.

You're up here trying to present yourself as some kind of expert on military affairs, when it's quite obvious you've never served a day in your damn life, nor would you.....You have no clue what combat is all about. I do, and listening to you try and preach some loony left wing apologist virtues is just too damn funny.......Your lil' left wing indoctrinators have most definitely gotten into your mind......You're like a lil' parrot, parroting loony lil liberal, clueless bullshit..........Liberal/progressive BS is this great country's enemy...And i'll damn sure stay in the faces of those who preach that garbage.

digger can join the ranks of TM, Jillian, MarcATL, Basshole, etc.

He's in good company.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

I'm not playing the victim card. I'm privileged. Do you have an image of me as a Black 20-year-old?[/quote]
Define "privilege"....As you see it.

Are you trying to lay some sort of subtle trap for me? Or do you really want to know what privileged means? I'm using the proper definition in context. Here, I'll look it up for you.

privileged : a right, immunity, or benefit enjoyed only by a person beyond the advantages of most: the privileges of the very rich.

I've got to find a better online dictionary, but that captures the gist. Except in the context of the privileged/oppressed dichotomy, the word "most" often doesn't apply. How about many?

Funny you would bring this up.. very telling.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Wow spoon just admitted there is racism.

 

[thereisnospoon]

And here in Malibu, if you're black, riding around in a hoopdee piece o' shit, sporting gang colors, damn right the Sherriffs are pulling them over......For one reason, there was a problem with L.A. gangs coming up into our well to do neighborhood and doing home invasions......So yes, if you don't look like you belong, you will be questioned.

If the blacks have a problem with this, then they need to look towards their OWN who cause profiling to be sometimes nevessary.

Wow. I mean, wow! Wow! Tell me how you really feel, why don't you?

That last paragraph is particularly awesome. It's Black people who cause racial profiling! By being so damn profilable! The next time one of my Black friends complains about being pulled over for no reason, I'll tell him to take it up with the gangs.

Look douche bag....Here's the long and the short of it.
If a person of any color or persuasion looks like they do not belong in a certain area or are acting in a suspicious manner( this includes but is no limited to, driving very slowly, spending an inordinate amount of time viewing homes, pulling into driveways several times and turning around, going around the same block several times) yeah, for the Love of God you'll be pulled over and questioned about what your business is in this area.
And if you don't like it, tough shit. Stay the **** out of places where you have no business. People have the right to have their property protected by any legal means necessary. Too bad if this offends your hypersensitive awareness of racism.
Take it up with one of the gangs?...Yeah there ya go....Make it ten times worse. Mob rule right?

BY the way, how do you know when someone is stopped for no reason?
Just because the stopped person is black? If the answer to that question is yes, then YOU are practicing racism.
Look here sunshine...There are two kinds of racism..Singling out someone because of their race and NOT singling them out because of their race.
It cuts both ways. Intelligent people realize this. Apparently you do not fit this category.
Your ignorance and hate reaches new levels.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Once upon a time, we had the quaint concept that the provisions of the UCMJ existed to preserve good order and discipline, NOT to unnecessarily endanger the lives of American troops for political ends. Once upon a time, there existed the common sense idea that a combat officer did what he had to do to protect the lives of this men, and that what some JAG officer sitting on his butt in his air-conditioned office, and the other associated REMF types, didn't officially know, wouldn't hurt them. The understanding was, that an officer did what he believed necessary to protect his troops and perform the mission, and that , should he be too obvious about that, and ran afoul of some politically motivated issues, he paid the price for it. Ever since Vietnam, the tendency is to go actively looking for what used to be overlooked as long as it was done discreetly. For some reason, I find that a bigger disgrace, than anything Col. West did.

Combat soldiers aren't cops, Mike; they are trained to break things and kill people; troops are for fighting (and winning) wars, not peacekeeping and nation building. The fact that a lot of Americans have forgotten that, does not make it any less true.

While combat troops are trained to break things and kill people their officers are trained to exercise judgment in their deployment of those troops and to control their actions.

The notion that Col. West was "doing what he had to do to protect his troops" is misleading. It was not his place to act aggressively in response to information -- which he later acknowledged was probably false, but to forward that information to his headquarters for evaluation and appropriate action. He was a line officer, not an autonomous intelligence liaison.

There is a tendency for many Americans to forget that we are not at war in Iraq. The fact is our country illegally invaded and occupied that country without provocation and those Iraqis who are actively resisting us are doing the same thing some Americans would be doing if the situation was reversed. Some of the things our troops do in that country, such as the atrocities perpetrated in the Abu Ghraib prison and elsewhere, the routine kicking down of doors and the all-too-frequent mistreatment, including beatings and gang rapes of Iraqi citizens, most of which we never hear about, are done in all our names.

Such incidents as U.S. Army Colonel West conducting himself like Tony Soprano with a gang of goons isn't helping matters. In fact, such incidents serve as recruiting inducements for the kind of resistance fighters who plant roadside bombs and ambush military movements. So West's assertion that he was acting in the interest of the troops is so much specious nonsense.

Allen West is another self-serving glory-seeking phony from the mold of Oliver North, which is why the Army saw fit to kick him out.

"The fact is our country illegally invaded and occupied that country without provocation ".
That is YOUR opinion.
The fact of the matter is....now read carefully.
Our allies in the Arab world as well as trading partners implored that we and our friends do something about Hussein. These nations had it on good intelligence plus Hussein's outward belligerence that Iraq was a direct threat to those nations. In fact the health of the global economy was at stake with Hussein threatening his neighbor's oil production.
The threats from Hussein were such that if he had carried out those threats could very well have caused a cessation in 60% of the world's oil supply which would have created a global economic crisis that would have been unmanageable.
Now, you can cry me a river with your sympathy for Hussein. I don't give a ****.
The only mistake we made was in the first Gulf War when we didn't steamroll Baghdad the first time

 

[thereisnospoon]

Wasn't Allen West actually Batman?

Thought he was "The Green Hornet".

 

[thereisnospoon]

In civilian life we have laws that we have to obey and adhere to.

In the military you have the UCMJ

Allen West decided that he was above the Law.

And thus engaged in criminal activity.

He is no better than a common criminal and has no business being in the White House.

And if West were a liberal democrat?

 

[digger]

And here in Malibu, if you're black, riding around in a hoopdee piece o' shit, sporting gang colors, damn right the Sherriffs are pulling them over......For one reason, there was a problem with L.A. gangs coming up into our well to do neighborhood and doing home invasions......So yes, if you don't look like you belong, you will be questioned.

If the blacks have a problem with this, then they need to look towards their OWN who cause profiling to be sometimes nevessary.

Wow. I mean, wow! Wow! Tell me how you really feel, why don't you?

That last paragraph is particularly awesome. It's Black people who cause racial profiling! By being so damn profilable! The next time one of my Black friends complains about being pulled over for no reason, I'll tell him to take it up with the gangs.

Look douche bag....Here's the long and the short of it.
If a person of any color or persuasion looks like they do not belong in a certain area or are acting in a suspicious manner( this includes but is no limited to, driving very slowly, spending an inordinate amount of time viewing homes, pulling into driveways several times and turning around, going around the same block several times) yeah, for the Love of God you'll be pulled over and questioned about what your business is in this area.
And if you don't like it, tough shit. Stay the **** out of places where you have no business. People have the right to have their property protected by any legal means necessary. Too bad if this offends your hypersensitive awareness of racism.
Take it up with one of the gangs?...Yeah there ya go....Make it ten times worse. Mob rule right?

BY the way, how do you know when someone is stopped for no reason?
Just because the stopped person is black? If the answer to that question is yes, then YOU are practicing racism.
Look here sunshine...There are two kinds of racism..Singling out someone because of their race and NOT singling them out because of their race.
It cuts both ways. Intelligent people realize this. Apparently you do not fit this category.
Your ignorance and hate reaches new levels.

It's statistics. Black people are pulled over more often than White people, and at slower speeds. I'd look up a link for you, but you wouldn't read it.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Republicans have a history of elevating and supporting criminals in the Oval Office, Nixon, Reagan....Bush II.

They all committed crimes, lie about it, then half-apologize about it, and are then supported/elevated by their fellow RWers for it.

Because you radical reactionary RW bootlickers seems to be ALLERGIC to the God's Honest TRUTH:

Nixon And Watergate - No Whitewash
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plgNeLBxcUc]YouTube - Nixon and Watergate - No Whitewash[/ame]

Reagan Breaks The Law, Then Lies About It
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZfnOJd_FmA]YouTube - Reagan Breaks Laws then Lies About It[/ame]

Bush WMD Lies
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDeYUBtFIzI]YouTube - bush wmd lies[/ame]

Bush Lies About Iran WMD
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfX7OkMjjBk]YouTube - Bush Lies about Iran WMD[/ame]

Bush Admits That Iraq Had Nothing To Do With 9/11
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_A77N5WKWM]YouTube - Bush admits that Iraq Had Nothing To Do With 9/11[/ame]

Bush Gets Caugh In His Own Lie​

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sulDYYAiCU]YouTube - Bush Gets Caught In His Own Lie[/ame]

Watch the videos, they aren't long, and then tell me I'm lying.


*SMH*

If you had a lick of intelligence you would have posted the following.
Clinton Admits Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq.
But you're a left wing moonbat radical. So you ignore the whole story and run on with your boorish and boring Bush bash.

 

[digger]

You can call it a lie all you want. But you still can't explain it. It's in the public record. He kidnapped, blindfolded, and beat someone for information. That's called torture. The army can call it assault if they want, but we all know better.

 

[mudwhistle]

Please this slowly...then explain what an article 128 is. Jester, please focus on this for a second. What exactly is an article 128? Then get into article 134. You had the nerve to call me a poseur? Poseur, Allen West is a disgrace.

While serving in Taji, Iraq, West received information from an intelligence specialist about a reported plot to ambush him and his men.[11] The alleged plot reportedly involved Yahya Jhodri Hamoodi, a civilian Iraqi police officer.[11] At first, West thought the reports were a joke...until a week later when several of his officers were ambushed when he was supposed to be traveling with them. At that point, Colonel West began taking the risk of a planned assassination attempt seriously. [11] West, who was not responsible for conducting interrogations in Iraq and had never conducted or witnessed one, had his men detain Hamoodi.[11] In the process of detaining Mr. Hamoodi, soldiers testified that Mr. Hamoodi appeared to go for his weapon and needed to be subdued.[11] Hamoodi was beaten by four of his soldiers from the 220th Field Artillery Battalion on the head and body.[12] West then fired his pistol near Hamoodi's head.[11] Hamoodi then provided West with names and information, what Hamoodi later described as "meaningless information induced by fear and pain."[11] At least one suspect was arrested as a result, but no plans for attacks or weapons were found.[11] West said "At the time I had to base my decision on the intelligence I received. It's possible that I was wrong about Mr. Hamoodi."[11]

West was charged with violating articles 128 (assault) and 134 (general article) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. During a hearing held as part of an Article 32 investigation in November 2003, West stated, "I know the method I used was not right, but I wanted to take care of my soldiers."[citation needed] The charges were ultimately referred to an Article 15 proceeding rather than court-martial, at which West was fined $5,000.[11] LTC West accepted the judgment and retired with full benefits in the summer of 2004. Asked if he would have act differently if under similar circumstances again, West testified, "If it's about the lives of my soldiers at stake, I'd go through hell with a gasoline can."[13] After Colonel West was relieved of his command, an interpreter said that without his presence the region he previously oversaw became more dangerous and chaotic.[11]




(I am talking to military people for a minute here) there are rules and the ucmj is there for a reason. True?You violate it, you can get kicked out. Righty Mr. West? Civilians dont seem to get this. There are are reasons why you do missions you are responsible for. When you cross the line, you are in violation of the UCMJ. Righty Jester? This disgraced idiot was never responsible for that interrogation. That is why he was busted and in my opinion, they should not have given him a choice and they should have put him behind bars for 10 years.

HE IS A DISGRACE. I know a lot of civilians will say so what, but the military has rules and this "officer" broke them. There are ways to complete mission while following the damn rules. I am going with the army and not some arm chair guy who says "so what"..he committed assult and I agree with the Army. He should have and did have to retire.

God bless America.

Jester, prove me wrong. This will be the hardest thing you have ever done but, If you dont like the link, prove me wrong with a different one that says he did't commit assult. You know, article 128 and dont forget article 134.


Allen West (politician) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oh, West is that guy.

If he runs for POTUS I'd vote for him just for that alone.

You probably admire that little twink that turned all of that stuff over to Wikileaks.

That's your idea of a hero.

Oh, and one more thing......thanks for supporting our troops.

 

[SFC Ollie]

You can call it a lie all you want. But you still can't explain it. It's in the public record. He kidnapped, blindfolded, and beat someone for information. That's called torture. The army can call it assault if they want, but we all know better.

Obviously you don't know better.

 

[bodecea]

I see a trend in who some on the Right admire in the Military....West....North.....those who do not follow the law. Them, they like.

Yes, because those on the left so admire honesty.

<<cough>> <<gasp>> <<choke>>



John Kerry threw his medal away. No. Those were some other guy's medals. No. They weren't medals. They were ribbons.

And he went to Cambodia on the Orders of President Nixon ... before Nixon was President.

And Geitner is a tax cheat.

And Teddy killed that poor girl -- but at least he forthrightly ran away.

And then there's the Conscience of the Senate, the late Sen. Byrd. Was he a Grand kleagle or was it Exalted Order of the Racist Pond Scum? I keep getting those mixed up. Anyway, I always enjoyed his morality lessons.

Honesty and dedication to adherence to the LAW. Real hallmarks of the left.


<<cough>> <<gasp>> <<choke>>

Damn...I did it again, didn't I? Gotta stop this stalking you so much.

 

[Wicked Jester]

Once upon a time, we had the quaint concept that the provisions of the UCMJ existed to preserve good order and discipline, NOT to unnecessarily endanger the lives of American troops for political ends. Once upon a time, there existed the common sense idea that a combat officer did what he had to do to protect the lives of this men, and that what some JAG officer sitting on his butt in his air-conditioned office, and the other associated REMF types, didn't officially know, wouldn't hurt them. The understanding was, that an officer did what he believed necessary to protect his troops and perform the mission, and that , should he be too obvious about that, and ran afoul of some politically motivated issues, he paid the price for it. Ever since Vietnam, the tendency is to go actively looking for what used to be overlooked as long as it was done discreetly. For some reason, I find that a bigger disgrace, than anything Col. West did.

Combat soldiers aren't cops, Mike; they are trained to break things and kill people; troops are for fighting (and winning) wars, not peacekeeping and nation building. The fact that a lot of Americans have forgotten that, does not make it any less true.

While combat troops are trained to break things and kill people their officers are trained to exercise judgment in their deployment of those troops and to control their actions.

The notion that Col. West was "doing what he had to do to protect his troops" is misleading. It was not his place to act aggressively in response to information -- which he later acknowledged was probably false, but to forward that information to his headquarters for evaluation and appropriate action. He was a line officer, not an autonomous intelligence liaison.

There is a tendency for many Americans to forget that we are not at war in Iraq. The fact is our country illegally invaded and occupied that country without provocation and those Iraqis who are actively resisting us are doing the same thing some Americans would be doing if the situation was reversed. Some of the things our troops do in that country, such as the atrocities perpetrated in the Abu Ghraib prison and elsewhere, the routine kicking down of doors and the all-too-frequent mistreatment, including beatings and gang rapes of Iraqi citizens, most of which we never hear about, are done in all our names.

Such incidents as U.S. Army Colonel West conducting himself like Tony Soprano with a gang of goons isn't helping matters. In fact, such incidents serve as recruiting inducements for the kind of resistance fighters who plant roadside bombs and ambush military movements. So West's assertion that he was acting in the interest of the troops is so much specious nonsense.

Allen West is another self-serving glory-seeking phony from the mold of Oliver North, which is why the Army saw fit to kick him out.

"The fact is our country illegally invaded and occupied that country without provocation ".
That is YOUR opinion.
The fact of the matter is....now read carefully.
Our allies in the Arab world as well as trading partners implored that we and our friends do something about Hussein. These nations had it on good intelligence plus Hussein's outward belligerence that Iraq was a direct threat to those nations. In fact the health of the global economy was at stake with Hussein threatening his neighbor's oil production.
The threats from Hussein were such that if he had carried out those threats could very well have caused a cessation in 60% of the world's oil supply which would have created a global economic crisis that would have been unmanageable.
Now, you can cry me a river with your sympathy for Hussein. I don't give a ****.
The only mistake we made was in the first Gulf War when we didn't steamroll Baghdad the first time

When reading through that Mike K bs......Always remember that he himself called for a Wisconsing senator to be dragged from his home and tortured.

But, fact is, we didn't illegally invade Jack Shit....Unlike Lybia, which has turned into a fuckin' joke, Bush got full authorization to RIGHTFULLY go in there and remove Sadaam from power once and for all.

Listening to these lib's, and their idiotic revisionist history based on lies is just too damn funny.

 

[skookerasbil]

Wow. I mean, wow! Wow! Tell me how you really feel, why don't you?

That last paragraph is particularly awesome. It's Black people who cause racial profiling! By being so damn profilable! The next time one of my Black friends complains about being pulled over for no reason, I'll tell him to take it up with the gangs.

Look douche bag....Here's the long and the short of it.
If a person of any color or persuasion looks like they do not belong in a certain area or are acting in a suspicious manner( this includes but is no limited to, driving very slowly, spending an inordinate amount of time viewing homes, pulling into driveways several times and turning around, going around the same block several times) yeah, for the Love of God you'll be pulled over and questioned about what your business is in this area.
And if you don't like it, tough shit. Stay the **** out of places where you have no business. People have the right to have their property protected by any legal means necessary. Too bad if this offends your hypersensitive awareness of racism.
Take it up with one of the gangs?...Yeah there ya go....Make it ten times worse. Mob rule right?

BY the way, how do you know when someone is stopped for no reason?
Just because the stopped person is black? If the answer to that question is yes, then YOU are practicing racism.
Look here sunshine...There are two kinds of racism..Singling out someone because of their race and NOT singling them out because of their race.
It cuts both ways. Intelligent people realize this. Apparently you do not fit this category.
Your ignorance and hate reaches new levels.

It's statistics. Black people are pulled over more often than White people, and at slower speeds. I'd look up a link for you, but you wouldn't read it.

Leave it to naive assholes who hail from Scratchmyassville to post up this lame stat..........


If you're riding the Jersey Turnpike in one of these...........

of fcukking course you're getting your ass pulled over. Or IDK...........is this more suspicious????

Only those totally duped by the PC police buy that shit..............fcukking dummy.


I get pulled over all the time..............Im white............I drive this..................

Of COURSE Im going to get pulled over more and am.........tints and all.






Fcukking politically correct naive losers.................. Bumfook assholes FTG.

 

[skookerasbil]

Allen West for president...............in half a heartbeat!!!

 

[Wicked Jester]

Wow. I mean, wow! Wow! Tell me how you really feel, why don't you?

That last paragraph is particularly awesome. It's Black people who cause racial profiling! By being so damn profilable! The next time one of my Black friends complains about being pulled over for no reason, I'll tell him to take it up with the gangs.

Look douche bag....Here's the long and the short of it.
If a person of any color or persuasion looks like they do not belong in a certain area or are acting in a suspicious manner( this includes but is no limited to, driving very slowly, spending an inordinate amount of time viewing homes, pulling into driveways several times and turning around, going around the same block several times) yeah, for the Love of God you'll be pulled over and questioned about what your business is in this area.
And if you don't like it, tough shit. Stay the **** out of places where you have no business. People have the right to have their property protected by any legal means necessary. Too bad if this offends your hypersensitive awareness of racism.
Take it up with one of the gangs?...Yeah there ya go....Make it ten times worse. Mob rule right?

BY the way, how do you know when someone is stopped for no reason?
Just because the stopped person is black? If the answer to that question is yes, then YOU are practicing racism.
Look here sunshine...There are two kinds of racism..Singling out someone because of their race and NOT singling them out because of their race.
It cuts both ways. Intelligent people realize this. Apparently you do not fit this category.
Your ignorance and hate reaches new levels.

It's statistics. Black people are pulled over more often than White people, and at slower speeds. I'd look up a link for you, but you wouldn't read it.

So what?

What the **** does slower speed have to do with anything?

Dude, get over your white guilt BS.......It sounds like you're becoming obsessed with it.

Fact is, there is nothing to feel guilty about....Unless you threw nets on them many years ago, shoved 'em into boats, crossed the ocean and sold 'em off for slavery, you've got nothing to feel guilty about.

And, lets not forget, that there is more black on white crime than the opposite so, I guess all those blacks should be feelin' guilty as hell just like you, eh?

White guilt?.........**** you!

 

[ClosedCaption]

Black people get pulled over a
More because they all drive hoopties with big rims?

Nope, not racist at all.

 

[Jack Fate]

You can call it a lie all you want. But you still can't explain it. It's in the public record. He kidnapped, blindfolded, and beat someone for information. That's called torture. The army can call it assault if they want, but we all know better.

Why don't you invite the poor thing over to your house for some BBQ pork ribs.

 

[MarcATL]

I apologize for my vulgar spitting comments referring to West. I let the base negative instincts get the better of me. I wouldn't spit in his face...that's rude.

Besides, he'd kick the **** out of your whiny little liberal ass.

Are you suggesting that you can beat him up...or you can beat me up? I'm pretty sure YOU can't do either.