Zone1 Allegory man, this thread is for you!!

You would see following God’s commands as servitude.

there are no heavenly commandments - their law is self determination ...

- yes that is servitude were it to be an order as construed not to eat the apple as they were willing to die for their decision than slavery.
 
there are no heavenly commandments - their law is self determination ...

- yes that is servitude were it to be an order as construed not to eat the apple as they were willing to die for their decision than slavery.
You see following God’s commands as servitude.
 
there are no heavenly commandments - their law is self determination ...

- yes that is servitude were it to be an order as construed not to eat the apple as they were willing to die for their decision than slavery.
According to the story Eve was fooled into rebelling against God's orders. Adam wasn't fooled but shared in the rebellion, probably because he didn't want to live without her. Anyway, the whole event was foreordained to happen as part of God's plan.
 
According to the story Eve was fooled into rebelling against God's orders. Adam wasn't fooled but shared in the rebellion, probably because he didn't want to live without her. Anyway, the whole event was foreordained to happen as part of God's plan.

according to who's story -

the 1st century events is the repudiation of judaism false commandments et al - a&e sought self determination than servitude and represent all living beings as the course for life set at that time to the present for admission to the everlasting for free spirits that accomplish the heavenly goals that ensued.
 
according to who's story -

the 1st century events is the repudiation of judaism false commandments et al - a&e sought self determination than servitude and represent all living beings as the course for life set at that time to the present for admission to the everlasting for free spirits that accomplish the heavenly goals that ensued.
Do you have a source for that?
 
1. Creation account.
The creation of "heaven and earth" a world above and a world below, has nothing whatever to do with the Big Bang, the solar system, or the first plants animals or human beings. It is simply about the Law coming into the world through Moses as "a light to the nations" which was SPOKEN into existence around 3,500 years ago.

When the children of Adam and Eve wanted to find a mate THEY WENT TO A CITY which should have been a dead giveaway, if not at least a clue, that the story was never intended to be taken literally by intelligent people.

2. The Great Flood.
The Burckle Crater, dated to the approximate time of Gilgamesh, is about 25 times the size of meteor crater in Arizona and sits under over 11,000 feet of water at the bottom of the Indian Ocean. This impact would have instantly vaporized billions of metric tons of water into the atmosphere causing mega tsunamis, and a mind boggling deluge that would have lasted for weeks and spawned superstorms, cyclones, hurricanes, tornadoes, and relentless downpours around the world which would have washed away every coastal city and every town village and settlement situated near rivers streams and even dry washes in the deserts on every continent.

There are almost 300 flood myths from every continent on earth recorded by people who never heard of Noah.

3. The tower of Babel
A teaching about the dangers of human hubris. Even Jesus mentioned a tower that fell during construction in his life that he most likely predicted and when fulfilled confirmed his status as a prophet of God.

4. Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah with fire and brimstone
An event not unlike the Tunguska event of 1908 also turned into a sublime story to teach children moral lessons.

5. Plagues in Egypt
6. Parting of the Red Sea, and for all the anal retentive types regarding the authenticity and accuracy of the original Hebrew, the party of the Sea of Reeds.
Each plague follows a logical pattern of natural events. Many of which may be connected to the eruption of Santorini around 1600BCE, like burning hail falling from the sky, and the parting of the sea of reeds, crossing on dry land and water sweeping away the pursuing army which can be rationally explained by a tsunami.

The timing of natural evens helping the Israelites would have been seen as being caused by "the hand of God".

7. God giving the Hebrew people manna to eat out of thin air.
Manna from heaven, the food of angels, represents Divine instruction. Simple as that. The Israelites left Egypt with large numbers of livestock, including flocks and herds, as they journeyed into the wilderness.

Even though there was plenty of food. Teaching from God is what sustained them in the wilderness.

8. Elijah being taken up to heaven in a chariot.
Being "taken up" in a whirlwind is a euphemism for Elijah being killed by a lynch mob. A no brainer.

9. Jonah being swallowed by a whale for 3 days and then spat out and survived.
The reluctant prophet was the in "the belly of the beast" which is a known metaphor not unlike Jesus spending forty days and forty nights in the wilderness, living among "the wild beasts", (the romans) presumably doing what wild beasts do in the wilderness. Thats why Jesus said, "The only sign you will be given is the sign of Jonah."

10. The powers of the Ark of the Covenant.
The Ark served as a sacred container for God's law and a symbol of his Divine presence, from which he spoke to the Israelites. Through the Law. There could be any number of natural explanations for the walls of Jericho falling down, turned into a fantastical story, a moral teaching, not to mention the metaphorical implications that I won't bother explaining to you who has been diverted into an irrational fantasy land by superstitious archaic lore.


Dearest Votto, the religiously addled 'believer' in miraculous bulshit.

If you want a rational explanation for the miraculous birth of Jesus or any of his miracles all you have to do is ask


Sincerely,

The Answer Man.


 
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Do you have a source for that?

could that be why they murdered the religious itinerant - and wrote their 4th century christian bible.

* passed down through the centuries .... same as all the other religious renderings - bibles. and the revelations of non sinners not found in the written documents.

- time to bring the crucifiers to justice.
 
could that be why they murdered the religious itinerant - and wrote their 4th century christian bible.

* passed down through the centuries .... same as all the other religious renderings - bibles. and the revelations of non sinners not found in the written documents.

- time to bring the crucifiers to justice.
So, no source.
 
could that be why they murdered the religious itinerant - and wrote their 4th century christian bible.

* passed down through the centuries .... same as all the other religious renderings - bibles. and the revelations of non sinners not found in the written documents.

- time to bring the crucifiers to justice.
Tell him how following God’s commands is slavery.
 
Do you read these accounts literally?

Do you believe George Washington chopped down a cherry tree? Or was the point of that account that George Washington was honest?
correct, the event never took place, Cherry Trees didn't exist in his region. Remember that when you read the Herod Killing babies story which also never happened.
 
So, no source.
* passed down through the centuries .... same as all the other religious renderings - bibles. and the revelations of non sinners not found in the written documents.

- provide the tablets claimed by the liar moses etched in the heavens written in all three desert bibles that were destroyed by the heretic before being witnessed by anyone. or remove the forgeries present in those bibles and all other references associated w/ moses and judaism.
 
- provide the tablets claimed by the liar moses etched in the heavens written in all three desert bibles that were destroyed by the heretic before being witnessed by anyone. or remove the forgeries present in those bibles and all other references associated w/ moses and judaism.
The ark of the covenant is out there somewhere, with the tablets of stone inside. Over the millennia scribes have faithfully (mostly) reproduced the letters and documents of the present canon/Bible. There are errors but they are not significant.

If you have documents to support your positions, reveal them.
 
If you have documents to support your positions, reveal them.
- provide the tablets claimed by the liar moses etched in the heavens written in all three desert bibles that were destroyed by the heretic before being witnessed by anyone. or remove the forgeries present in those bibles and all other references associated w/ moses and judaism.

the heretic moses destroyed the tablets before being witnessed for their content by anyone ... nutz is a deceiver and decieves for a sinner.

their claim of heavenly personification that never existed and perpetuated by those bibles negates all three desert religions from any heavenly association. as proven throughout history the true path is readily found when done so with purpose and honesty.

there are no commandments from the heavens - only goals or guides to free ones spirit for admission to the everlasting and is in full agreement w/ the 1st century events and the religious itinerant who gave their life for the underlying cause of self determination - is proof of its own making.
 
correct, the event never took place, Cherry Trees didn't exist in his region. Remember that when you read the Herod Killing babies story which also never happened.
Just because the only historical evidence comes from Matthew doesn’t mean he didn’t do it. Especially since there is historical evidence of other evil acts such as:

Herod put to death three of his own sons on suspicion of treason. He put to death his favorite wife and then he killed his mother-in-law. He drowned high priest down to Jericho. He killed several uncles and a couple of cousins. And he plotted to kill a stadium full of Jewish leaders.
 
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Just because the only historical evidence comes from Matthew doesn’t mean he didn’t do it. Especially since there is historical evidence of other evil acts such as:

Herod put to death three of his own sons on suspicion of treason. He put to death his favorite wife and then he killed his mother-in-law. He drowned high priest down to Jericho. He killed several uncles and a couple of cousins. And he plotted to kill a stadium full of Jewish leaders.
sources please, thanks
 
the heretic moses destroyed the tablets before being witnessed for their content by anyone ... nutz is a deceiver and decieves for a sinner.

their claim of heavenly personification that never existed and perpetuated by those bibles negates all three desert religions from any heavenly association. as proven throughout history the true path is readily found when done so with purpose and honesty.

there are no commandments from the heavens - only goals or guides to free ones spirit for admission to the everlasting and is in full agreement w/ the 1st century events and the religious itinerant who gave their life for the underlying cause of self determination - is proof of its own making.
So, still no source except your own imagination.
 
Hyrcanus and Mark Antony in this sequence are at minimum a half century before The supposed birth of Jesus who they had to push back to 6bc just to fit King Herod who died in 4bc.
Lysanias the Tetrarch mentioned at the time of this image called Jesus also lived a half century before, and died 35bc, as he had lived in the Antony era. Josephus only writes that Herod killed the thieves, this is interesting because those thieves might have been the tax revolters group lead by Yehuda the Galilean Christ used for the portion of Jesus mythology, which would get confused and compiled with the Jannaeus persecutions and still match the story going after Yehuda (now part of the Jesus myth), but just not as a child, but as a leader of thugs who robbed and burnt down houses of the payers of the Roman taxes. Yehuda died in 6bc and lived in the time of Lysanias, Antony and King Herod.
(Per Josephus)
Luke mentions him once, in
Acts 5:37, and Josephus several times, once here, sect. 6; and B. XX. ch. 5. sect. 2; Of the War, B. II. ch. 8. sect. 1; and ch. 17. sect. 8, calls this Judas, who was the pestilent author of that seditious doctrine and temper which brought the Jewish nation to utter destruction, a Galilean; but here (sect. 1) Josephus calls him a Gaulonite, of the city of Gamala; it is a great question where this Judas was born, whether in Galilee on the west side, or in Gaulonitis on the east side, of the river Jordan; while, in the place just now cited out of the Antiquities, B. XX. ch. 5. sect. 2, he is not only called a Galilean, but it is added to his story, "as I have signified in the books that go before these," as if he had still called him a Galilean in those Antiquities before, as well as in that particular place, as Dean Aldrich observes, Of the War, B. II. ch. 8. sect. 1
 
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