Affirmative action could help poor white kids in the rural Midwest

[ElmerMudd]

Affirmative action could help poor white kids in the rural Midwest, Affirmative action is to bring under represented demographics into the college admissions process. Poor white kids from the Midwest are an under represented group.

Without affirmative action the demographic that will benefit the most is Asian students, not whites. When relying only on grades and test scores Asians always find admission to universities at a substantially higher % than represented in the population.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Affirmative action could help poor white kids in the rural Midwest, Affirmative action is to bring under represented demographics into the college admissions process. Poor white kids from the Midwest are an under represented group.

Without affirmative action the demographic that will benefit the most is Asian students, not whites. When relying only on grades and test scores Asians always find admission to universities at a substantially higher % than represented in the population.

People will have to study harder if they want to get into high ranked colleges.
There are plenty of colleges for people with average SAT scores to attend.

 

[ElmerMudd]

People will have to study harder if they want to get into high ranked colleges.
There are plenty of colleges for people with average SAT scores to attend.

The biggest benefit of affirmative action is to get a diversity of backgrounds into the college experience. Geographical diversity, economic diversity, racial diversity, religious diversity.
Going to college with, only, people like you is a stale educational experience. It can create the polarization we see today. Get to know people not like you. It is an important part of the educational experience. It can also provide opportunity to demographics that have been left behind, like poor white kids in the rural Midwest.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

The biggest benefit of affirmative action is to get a diversity of backgrounds into the college experience. Geographical diversity, economic diversity, racial diversity, religious diversity.
Going to college with, only, people like you is a stale educational experience. It can create the polarization we see today. Get to know people not like you. It is an important part of the educational experience. It can also provide opportunity to demographics that have been left behind, like poor white kids in the rural Midwest.

Using race to determine college admissions is racial discrimination which violated the student's Civil Rights and violates their 14th amendment rights.
There are plenty of colleges for people to attend.
But everyone doesn't get into the top colleges.
If a person wants to get in the top colleges, they will have to do the work required.
Study hard and make a high SAT score.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Using race to determine college admissions is racial discrimination which violated the student's Civil Rights and violates their 14th amendment rights.
There are plenty of colleges for people to attend.
But everyone doesn't get into the top colleges.
If a person wants to get in the top colleges, they will have to do the work required.
Study hard and make a high SAT score.

That is one dimensional thinking. Too simplistic in a complex world. Affirmative action is about much more than race.

The University I went to eliminated affirmative action and focused on SAT and grades. 40% of the entering classes were Asian. The white alumni were screaming that is not fair. You need to look at other things besides grades and SAT. Something is wrong if whites are 80% of the population and less than 40% of the entering classes.
I think the major focus can still be on grades and tests. God bless the Asian culture for providing a great work ethic. They should be rewarded but there can be other considerations.
Maybe the liberal colleges need a few more Trumpers to try and understand each other.
When you get out of college you will be in a very diverse world. College should help you prepare for that.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Affirmative Action should be outlawed. It is government sponsored racism

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

When you get out of college you will be in a very diverse world.

Conservatives fear diversity and inclusion.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Conservatives fear diversity and inclusion.

Left loons demand an unfair playing field. Affirmative action is just that

 

[Seymour Flops]

Affirmative action could help poor white kids in the rural Midwest, Affirmative action is to bring under represented demographics into the college admissions process. Poor white kids from the Midwest are an under represented group.

That was an episode of Paper Chase. A wealthy donor to the Harvard law school visited to see the black female student who had been given points that allowed her to edge out his son for admission. The idealistic young law student was conflicted about AA until the tough but fair professor showed him that he himself may have gotten points for being from a farm.

Then he saw the light. If it benefited him it must be right.

Without affirmative action the demographic that will benefit the most is Asian students, not whites. When relying only on grades and test scores Asians always find admission to universities at a substantially higher % than represented in the population.

Why is that bad?

 

[ElmerMudd]

That was an episode of Paper Chase. A wealthy donor to the Harvard law school visited to see the black female student who had been given points that allowed her to edge out his son for admission. The idealistic young law student was conflicted about AA until the tough but fair professor showed him that he himself may have gotten points for being from a farm.

Then he saw the light. If it benefited him it must be right.


Why is that bad?

Not bad, but there can be other considerations.
I think the major focus can still be on grades and tests. God bless the Asian culture for providing a great work ethic. They should be rewarded but there can be other considerations.

 

[Ralph Norton]

When you get out of college you will be in a very diverse world. College should help you prepare for that.

Not at the expense of students who are not admitted because they don't check the right race box.

 

[Indeependent]

Affirmative action could help poor white kids in the rural Midwest, Affirmative action is to bring under represented demographics into the college admissions process. Poor white kids from the Midwest are an under represented group.

Without affirmative action the demographic that will benefit the most is Asian students, not whites. When relying only on grades and test scores Asians always find admission to universities at a substantially higher % than represented in the population.

Wall Street, anti-US, Globalist university donors will never allow it.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Not at the expense of students who are not admitted because they don't check the right race box.

I say give a poor white kid from the Ozarks a break over a white rich kid who parents sent him to prep school for 12 years and has better grades and test scores as a result.

The elites will continue o dominate unless we give non-elites some of the same educational opportunities.

 

[whitehall]

Rural Midwest? What;s so special about the midwest that doesn't apply to the rural south or the northwest or inner city white kids. It's time we treated all Americans the same based on their abilities rather than their skin.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Rural Midwest? What;s so special about the midwest that doesn't apply to the rural south or the northwest or inner city white kids. It's time we treated all Americans the same based on their abilities rather than their skin.

I feel American children do not all have the same opportunities. Forget the color of the skin. Take families whose parents did not go to college. Many are poor. The kids are not encouraged to do well in school like families with more money and educated parents.
If you want to focus on rural communities throughout the US. Too many under educated and under employed. It is a cultural issue.
You are a kid and you parents put you in prep school for 12 years you will have better grades and test scores and beat out the rural poor.

We need to give the rural poor a hand up.

 

[Seymour Flops]

I feel American children do not all have the same opportunities. Forget the color of the skin. Take families whose parents did not go to college. Many are poor. The kids are not encouraged to do well in school like families with more money and educated parents.
If you want to focus on rural communities throughout the US. Too many under educated and under employed. It is a cultural issue.
You are a kid and you parents put you in prep school for 12 years you will have better grades and test scores and beat out the rural poor.

We need to give the rural poor a hand up.

What about the urban poor? Or the suburban poor? What about the poor who live on small fishing islands?

Why not give extra points to low-income applicants, and applicants whose parent never went to college? Giving a black kid whose parents own twenty rent houses and drive a Bentley points over an Asian kid whose parents own a small liquor store and whose grandparents made it from Vietnam in a life raft is absurd.

 

[Lesh]

Using race to determine college admissions is racial discrimination which violated the student's Civil Rights and violates their 14th amendment rights.
There are plenty of colleges for people to attend.
But everyone doesn't get into the top colleges.
If a person wants to get in the top colleges, they will have to do the work required.
Study hard and make a high SAT score.

Or have a smarter parent or sibling who graduated there

Cause legacy admissions are a big thing

 

[Lesh]

Rural Midwest? What;s so special about the midwest that doesn't apply to the rural south or the northwest or inner city white kids. It's time we treated all Americans the same based on their abilities rather than their skin.

We’ll never treat all Americans the same.

How naive are you?

 

[Rigby5]

Using race to determine college admissions is racial discrimination which violated the student's Civil Rights and violates their 14th amendment rights.
There are plenty of colleges for people to attend.
But everyone doesn't get into the top colleges.
If a person wants to get in the top colleges, they will have to do the work required.
Study hard and make a high SAT score.

But the reality is that the wealthy can and do buy specific training in how to do well in standardizes tests because the testing is deliberately biased.

 

[Rigby5]

Why is that bad?

The fact Asians do well on standardized tests and then will benefit the most from removing AA, is that Asians are not really and different or better than anyone. They just have better training at passing standardized testing.
The basis of Affirmative Action is incontrovertibly accurate.
Which is that no one racial group has any inherent superiority to any other, so then the results of college testing should have the same racial %s as society as a whole.
Anyone who does not get that, either wants to cheat, or is ignorant of the fact all human races are almost identical really.
Races did not divide until only about 100,000 years ago, and there is no significant inherent skill differences.