Abortion

[playtime]

pro choice is not pro abortion.

Yes it is.

Look it up.

It's even in Webster's

pro choice means to have or not have an abortion.

pro abortion means that is the only choice.

Don't whine about it to me.

Tell Webster's

the word 'ain't' is also in webster's.

Interesting.

Ain't it.

so is justice. it's the word of the year.

 

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My "extremist" view is that at conception a new genetically distinct human being has been created. One that has never existed before and will never exist again. Science confirms this because DNA confirms this.

Another of your "... because I say so" commandments. Your koranic wisdom on embryology promoted by Keith Moore is a farce.

Roe v. Wade is a consistent position regarding abortion held by most Americans. Most folks consider it essentially a private matter that should be protected from governmental intrusion to the extent that is reasonable. Roe vs. Wade has achieved that reasonability.

On the other hand, fundamentalist extremists like Osama bin bing would abrogate a woman's right to control her own womb.There are clearly controls in place to throttle you.

No. It is not my say so. Every embryology textbook states that human life begins at conception. Conception is the beginning of the human life cycle and death is the end of the human life cycle. At any point along the continuum it is fully human.

You need to dehumanize human life to rationalize it is moral to end human life.

I simply reject your koranic experts.

Embryology in the Quran - Professor Keith Moore

“….it is scientifically correct to say that human life begins at conception.”

Dr. Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard Medical School: Quoted by Public Affairs Council

THE REGION: IN SUMMARY; Experts Clash at Abortion Hearings

Your koranic references are weak.

“Human life begins when the ovum is fertilized and the new combined cell mass begins to divide.”

Dr. Jasper Williams, Former President of the National Medical Association (p 74)

 

[Chuz Life]

My "extremist" view is that at conception a new genetically distinct human being has been created. One that has never existed before and will never exist again. Science confirms this because DNA confirms this.

Another of your "... because I say so" commandments. Your koranic wisdom on embryology promoted by Keith Moore is a farce.

Roe v. Wade is a consistent position regarding abortion held by most Americans. Most folks consider it essentially a private matter that should be protected from governmental intrusion to the extent that is reasonable. Roe vs. Wade has achieved that reasonability.

On the other hand, fundamentalist extremists like Osama bin bing would abrogate a woman's right to control her own womb.There are clearly controls in place to throttle you.

No. It is not my say so. Every embryology textbook states that human life begins at conception. Conception is the beginning of the human life cycle and death is the end of the human life cycle. At any point along the continuum it is fully human.

You need to dehumanize human life to rationalize it is moral to end human life.

I simply reject your koranic experts.

Embryology in the Quran - Professor Keith Moore

Is ignorance truly as blissful as they say it is?

You're trying to persuade others?

Not to the point of losing any sleep about it.

Sometimes ignorant fools in denial make great foils for my ability to reach others who may be less ignorant and more open to the facts.

 

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No. It is not my say so. Every embryology textbook states that human life begins at conception. Conception is the beginning of the human life cycle and death is the end of the human life cycle. At any point along the continuum it is fully human.

You need to dehumanize human life to rationalize it is moral to end human life.

I simply reject your koranic experts.

Embryology in the Quran - Professor Keith Moore

“….it is scientifically correct to say that human life begins at conception.”

Dr. Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard Medical School: Quoted by Public Affairs Council

THE REGION: IN SUMMARY; Experts Clash at Abortion Hearings

Your koranic references are weak.

“Human life begins when the ovum is fertilized and the new combined cell mass begins to divide.”

Dr. Jasper Williams, Former President of the National Medical Association (p 74)

Islam Guide: The Quran on Human Embryonic Development

More of your koranic wisdom by Keith Moore.

“Biologically speaking, human development begins at fertilization.”

The Biology of Prenatal Develpment, National Geographic, 2006.

 

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“….it is scientifically correct to say that human life begins at conception.”

Dr. Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard Medical School: Quoted by Public Affairs Council

THE REGION: IN SUMMARY; Experts Clash at Abortion Hearings

Your koranic references are weak.

“Human life begins when the ovum is fertilized and the new combined cell mass begins to divide.”

Dr. Jasper Williams, Former President of the National Medical Association (p 74)

Islam Guide: The Quran on Human Embryonic Development

More of your koranic wisdom by Keith Moore.

“Biologically speaking, human development begins at fertilization.”

The Biology of Prenatal Develpment, National Geographic, 2006.

More Keith Moore koran thumping.

Human Embryology and the Holy Quran: An Overview

“The two cells gradually and gracefully become one. This is the moment of conception, when an individual’s unique set of DNA is created, a human signature that never existed before and will never be repeated.”

In the Womb, National Geographic, 2005

 

[Chuz Life]

No. It is not my say so. Every embryology textbook states that human life begins at conception. Conception is the beginning of the human life cycle and death is the end of the human life cycle. At any point along the continuum it is fully human.

You need to dehumanize human life to rationalize it is moral to end human life.

I simply reject your koranic experts.

Embryology in the Quran - Professor Keith Moore

“….it is scientifically correct to say that human life begins at conception.”

Dr. Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard Medical School: Quoted by Public Affairs Council

THE REGION: IN SUMMARY; Experts Clash at Abortion Hearings

Your koranic references are weak.

“Human life begins when the ovum is fertilized and the new combined cell mass begins to divide.”

Dr. Jasper Williams, Former President of the National Medical Association (p 74)

Islam Guide: The Quran on Human Embryonic Development

More of your koranic wisdom by Keith Moore.

Life Begins at Fertilization with the Embryo's Conception

 

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“Human life begins when the ovum is fertilized and the new combined cell mass begins to divide.”

Dr. Jasper Williams, Former President of the National Medical Association (p 74)

Islam Guide: The Quran on Human Embryonic Development

More of your koranic wisdom by Keith Moore.

“Biologically speaking, human development begins at fertilization.”

The Biology of Prenatal Develpment, National Geographic, 2006.

More Keith Moore koran thumping.

Human Embryology and the Holy Quran: An Overview

“The two cells gradually and gracefully become one. This is the moment of conception, when an individual’s unique set of DNA is created, a human signature that never existed before and will never be repeated.”

In the Womb, National Geographic, 2005

Christians ridicule your Keith Moore references.

Scientific errors and the myth of embryology in the Koran

“The zygote therefore contains a new arrangement of genes on the chromosomes never before duplicated in any other individual. The offspring destined to develop from the fertilized ovum will have a genetic constitution different from anyone else in the world.”

DeCoursey, R.M., The Human Organism, 4th edition McGraw Hill Inc., Toronto, 1974. page 584

 

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“Biologically speaking, human development begins at fertilization.”

The Biology of Prenatal Develpment, National Geographic, 2006.

More Keith Moore koran thumping.

Human Embryology and the Holy Quran: An Overview

“The two cells gradually and gracefully become one. This is the moment of conception, when an individual’s unique set of DNA is created, a human signature that never existed before and will never be repeated.”

In the Womb, National Geographic, 2005

Christians ridicule your Keith Moore references.

Scientific errors and the myth of embryology in the Koran

“The zygote therefore contains a new arrangement of genes on the chromosomes never before duplicated in any other individual. The offspring destined to develop from the fertilized ovum will have a genetic constitution different from anyone else in the world.”

DeCoursey, R.M., The Human Organism, 4th edition McGraw Hill Inc., Toronto, 1974. page 584

We here in the Great Satan are protected form your Koran thumping. Sorry, you can't impose your koran on others.

“The science of the development of the individual before birth is called embryology. It is the story of miracles, describing the means by which a single microscopic cell is transformed into a complex human being. Genetically the zygote is complete. It represents a new single celled individual.”

Thibodeau, G.A., and Anthony, C.P., Structure and Function of the Body, 8th edition, St. Louis: Times Mirror/Mosby College Publishers, St. Louis, 1988. pages 409-419

 

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“The two cells gradually and gracefully become one. This is the moment of conception, when an individual’s unique set of DNA is created, a human signature that never existed before and will never be repeated.”

In the Womb, National Geographic, 2005

Christians ridicule your Keith Moore references.

Scientific errors and the myth of embryology in the Koran

“The zygote therefore contains a new arrangement of genes on the chromosomes never before duplicated in any other individual. The offspring destined to develop from the fertilized ovum will have a genetic constitution different from anyone else in the world.”

DeCoursey, R.M., The Human Organism, 4th edition McGraw Hill Inc., Toronto, 1974. page 584

We here in the Great Satan are protected form your Koran thumping. Sorry, you can't impose your koran on others.

“The science of the development of the individual before birth is called embryology. It is the story of miracles, describing the means by which a single microscopic cell is transformed into a complex human being. Genetically the zygote is complete. It represents a new single celled individual.”

Thibodeau, G.A., and Anthony, C.P., Structure and Function of the Body, 8th edition, St. Louis: Times Mirror/Mosby College Publishers, St. Louis, 1988. pages 409-419

The koran is not a science text. Pass that on to Keith Moore.

Embryology in the Qur’an

“The development of a new human being begins when a male’s sperm pierces the cell membrane of a female’s ovum, or egg….The villi become the placenta, which will nourish the developing infant for the next eight and a half months.”

Scarr, S., Weinberg, R.A., and Levine A., Understanding Development, Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, Inc., 1986. page 86

 

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“The zygote therefore contains a new arrangement of genes on the chromosomes never before duplicated in any other individual. The offspring destined to develop from the fertilized ovum will have a genetic constitution different from anyone else in the world.”

DeCoursey, R.M., The Human Organism, 4th edition McGraw Hill Inc., Toronto, 1974. page 584

We here in the Great Satan are protected form your Koran thumping. Sorry, you can't impose your koran on others.

“The science of the development of the individual before birth is called embryology. It is the story of miracles, describing the means by which a single microscopic cell is transformed into a complex human being. Genetically the zygote is complete. It represents a new single celled individual.”

Thibodeau, G.A., and Anthony, C.P., Structure and Function of the Body, 8th edition, St. Louis: Times Mirror/Mosby College Publishers, St. Louis, 1988. pages 409-419

The koran is not a science text. Pass that on to Keith Moore.

Embryology in the Qur’an

“The development of a new human being begins when a male’s sperm pierces the cell membrane of a female’s ovum, or egg….The villi become the placenta, which will nourish the developing infant for the next eight and a half months.”

Scarr, S., Weinberg, R.A., and Levine A., Understanding Development, Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, Inc., 1986. page 86

More Keith Moore koran thumping?

Comments from TOP Scientists on QURAN & Muhammad[pbuh] !

“Each human begins life as a combination of two cells, a female ovum and a much smaller male sperm. This tiny unit, no bigger than a period on this page, contains all the information needed to enable it to grow into the complex …structure of the human body. The mother has only to provide nutrition and protection.”

Clark, J. ed., The Nervous System: Circuits of Communication in the Human Body, Torstar Books Inc., Toronto, 1985, page 99

 

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Hollie's arguments that human life does not begin at conception

Out-of-the-pulpit-and-into-the-womb zealots appear hypocritical from my perspective. Most folks do not support State womb control before that stage of gestation where personhood has developed, and few believe in the extremist "instant baby" notion where conception produces a person instantaneously.

People can believe whatever they choose to believe, but to evoke the coercive power of the State and/or religious zealots to impose their personal impression upon others is antithetical to what most Americans agree on.

Your extremist view and your desire to impose it upon others via state coercion is not the moral position of most Americans. If and when a fetus achieves a stage of development where it is sentient and viable, it is recognized as a person and entitled to legal protection. Before that stage, a person does not yet exist. and the State must respect the prerogatives of the individual upon whom the developing entity is dependent.

Yes, you can cut and paste links to material you don't understand. However, that does nothing to support your extremist views.

I'm always suspicious when religious nutters cut and paste material they have edited.

The extremist religious nutters mewl that a single fertilized cell is a person and advocate that the State seize control of the womb at that point. The vast majority of rational Americans recognize that personhood evolves during gestation as brain waves are first evidenced and independent viability achieved. Thus, Rowe vs Wade is a reasonable compromise.

It's a shame your heroes are such misfits.

http://www.quranandscience.com/human/135-dr-keith-moore-confirms-embryology-in-quran.html

Dr Keith Moore confirms embryology in Quran

Another of your "... because I say so" commandments. Your koranic wisdom on embryology promoted by Keith Moore is a farce.

Roe v. Wade is a consistent position regarding abortion held by most Americans. Most folks consider it essentially a private matter that should be protected from governmental intrusion to the extent that is reasonable. Roe vs. Wade has achieved that reasonability.

On the other hand, fundamentalist extremists like Osama bin bing would abrogate a woman's right to control her own womb.There are clearly controls in place to throttle you.

Prof. Keith L. Moore (Embryology)

Your koranic references are weak.

Islam Guide: The Quran on Human Embryonic Development

More of your koranic wisdom by Keith Moore.

More Keith Moore koran thumping.

Human Embryology and the Holy Quran: An Overview

Christians ridicule your Keith Moore references.

Scientific errors and the myth of embryology in the Koran

We here in the Great Satan are protected form your Koran thumping. Sorry, you can't impose your koran on others.

The koran is not a science text. Pass that on to Keith Moore.

Embryology in the Qur’an

More Keith Moore koran thumping?

Comments from TOP Scientists on QURAN & Muhammad[pbuh] !

 

[Hollie]

Hollie's arguments that human life does not begin at conception

Out-of-the-pulpit-and-into-the-womb zealots appear hypocritical from my perspective. Most folks do not support State womb control before that stage of gestation where personhood has developed, and few believe in the extremist "instant baby" notion where conception produces a person instantaneously.

People can believe whatever they choose to believe, but to evoke the coercive power of the State and/or religious zealots to impose their personal impression upon others is antithetical to what most Americans agree on.

Your extremist view and your desire to impose it upon others via state coercion is not the moral position of most Americans. If and when a fetus achieves a stage of development where it is sentient and viable, it is recognized as a person and entitled to legal protection. Before that stage, a person does not yet exist. and the State must respect the prerogatives of the individual upon whom the developing entity is dependent.

Yes, you can cut and paste links to material you don't understand. However, that does nothing to support your extremist views.

I'm always suspicious when religious nutters cut and paste material they have edited.

The extremist religious nutters mewl that a single fertilized cell is a person and advocate that the State seize control of the womb at that point. The vast majority of rational Americans recognize that personhood evolves during gestation as brain waves are first evidenced and independent viability achieved. Thus, Rowe vs Wade is a reasonable compromise.

It's a shame your heroes are such misfits.

http://www.quranandscience.com/human/135-dr-keith-moore-confirms-embryology-in-quran.html

Dr Keith Moore confirms embryology in Quran

Another of your "... because I say so" commandments. Your koranic wisdom on embryology promoted by Keith Moore is a farce.

Roe v. Wade is a consistent position regarding abortion held by most Americans. Most folks consider it essentially a private matter that should be protected from governmental intrusion to the extent that is reasonable. Roe vs. Wade has achieved that reasonability.

On the other hand, fundamentalist extremists like Osama bin bing would abrogate a woman's right to control her own womb.There are clearly controls in place to throttle you.

Prof. Keith L. Moore (Embryology)

Your koranic references are weak.

Islam Guide: The Quran on Human Embryonic Development

More of your koranic wisdom by Keith Moore.

More Keith Moore koran thumping.

Human Embryology and the Holy Quran: An Overview

Christians ridicule your Keith Moore references.

Scientific errors and the myth of embryology in the Koran

We here in the Great Satan are protected form your Koran thumping. Sorry, you can't impose your koran on others.

The koran is not a science text. Pass that on to Keith Moore.

Embryology in the Qur’an

More Keith Moore koran thumping?

Comments from TOP Scientists on QURAN & Muhammad[pbuh] !

The science community has little use for your Keith Moore inspired koranic embryology.

 

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The scientific basis for ding's belief that human life begins at conception.

A Scientific View of When Life Begins | Charlotte Lozier Institute

"...The conclusion that human life begins at sperm-egg fusion is uncontested, objective, based on the universally accepted scientific method of distinguishing different cell types from each other and on ample scientific evidence (thousands of independent, peer-reviewed publications)..."

“Human life begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoo developmentn) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.” “A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo).”

Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2.

The Developing Human - 10th Edition

“In that fraction of a second when the chromosomes form pairs, the sex of the new child will be determined, hereditary characteristics received from each parent will be set, and a new life will have begun.”

Kaluger, G., and Kaluger, M., Human Development: The Span of Life, page 28-29, The C.V. Mosby Co., St. Louis, 1974.

https://www.amazon.com/Human-Development-Span-George-Kaluger/dp/0801626110&tag=ff0d01-20?tag=usmb-20

“It is the penetration of the ovum by a sperm and the resulting mingling of nuclear material each brings to the union that constitutes the initiation of the life of a new individual.”

Clark Edward and Corliss Patten’s Human Embryology, McGraw – Hill Inc., 30

https://www.amazon.com/Human-Embryo...atten/dp/0070131503&tag=ff0d01-20?tag=usmb-20

“Landrum B. Shettles, M.D., P.h.D. was first scientist to succeed at in vitro fertilization:

“The zygote is human life….there is one fact that no one can deny; Human beings begin at conception.”

https://www.amazon.com/Rites-Life-Scientific-Evidence-Before/dp/0310279909&tag=ff0d01-20?tag=usmb-20

The medical textbook, Before We Are Born – Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects, states:

“The zygote and early embryo are living human organisms.”

Keith L. Moore & T.V.N. Persaud Before We Are Born – Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects (W.B. Saunders Company, 1998. Fifth edition.) Page 500

https://www.amazon.com/Before-Are-Born-Essentials-Embryology/dp/1437720013&tag=ff0d01-20?tag=usmb-20

“The term conception refers to the union of the male and female pronuclear elements of procreation from which a new living being develops. It is synonymous with the terms fecundation, impregnation, and fertilization … The zygote thus formed represents the beginning of a new life.”

Eric Pastuszek. Is the Fetus Human? (Rockford, Illinois: Tan books And Publishers Inc., 1991)

9780895554864: Is the Fetus Human? - AbeBooks - Eric J. Pastuszek: 0895554860

My "extremist" view is that at conception a new genetically distinct human being has been created. One that has never existed before and will never exist again. Science confirms this because DNA confirms this.

The DNA confirms it is a new genetically distinct human being.

My definition of HUMAN LIFE is not an arbitrary. Furthermore, it is not just any human life. It is a very specific human life. One that had never existed before and will never exist again. Therefore, it is a specific person in it's earliest stage of the human development cycle and has all of the appropriate attributes that it should for that stage of the human life cycle which begins at conception and ends at death.

Every embryology textbook states that human life begins at conception. Conception is the beginning of the human life cycle and death is the end of the human life cycle. At any point along the continuum it is fully human.

“The first cell of a new and unique human life begins existence at the moment of conception (fertilization) when one living sperm from the father joins with one living ovum from the mother. It is in this manner that human life passes from one generation to another. Given the appropriate environment and genetic composition, the single cell subsequently gives rise to trillions of specialized and integrated cells that compose the structures and functions of each individual human body. Every human being alive today and, as far as is known scientifically, every human being that ever existed, began his or her unique existence in this manner, i.e., as one cell. If this first cell or any subsequent configuration of cells perishes, the individual dies, ceasing to exist in matter as a living being. There are no known exceptions to this rule in the field of human biology.”

James Bopp, ed., Human Life and Health Care Ethics, vol. 2 (Frederick, MD: University Publications of America, 1985)

Human Life and Health Care Ethics - Vol. 2, 1985 | Online Research Library: Questia

“….it is scientifically correct to say that human life begins at conception.”

Dr. Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard Medical School: Quoted by Public Affairs Council

THE REGION: IN SUMMARY; Experts Clash at Abortion Hearings

“Human life begins when the ovum is fertilized and the new combined cell mass begins to divide.”

Dr. Jasper Williams, Former President of the National Medical Association (p 74)

“Biologically speaking, human development begins at fertilization.”

The Biology of Prenatal Develpment, National Geographic, 2006.

“The two cells gradually and gracefully become one. This is the moment of conception, when an individual’s unique set of DNA is created, a human signature that never existed before and will never be repeated.”

In the Womb, National Geographic, 2005

“The zygote therefore contains a new arrangement of genes on the chromosomes never before duplicated in any other individual. The offspring destined to develop from the fertilized ovum will have a genetic constitution different from anyone else in the world.”

DeCoursey, R.M., The Human Organism, 4th edition McGraw Hill Inc., Toronto, 1974. page 584

“The science of the development of the individual before birth is called embryology. It is the story of miracles, describing the means by which a single microscopic cell is transformed into a complex human being. Genetically the zygote is complete. It represents a new single celled individual.”

Thibodeau, G.A., and Anthony, C.P., Structure and Function of the Body, 8th edition, St. Louis: Times Mirror/Mosby College Publishers, St. Louis, 1988. pages 409-419

“The development of a new human being begins when a male’s sperm pierces the cell membrane of a female’s ovum, or egg….The villi become the placenta, which will nourish the developing infant for the next eight and a half months.”

Scarr, S., Weinberg, R.A., and Levine A., Understanding Development, Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, Inc., 1986. page 86

“Each human begins life as a combination of two cells, a female ovum and a much smaller male sperm. This tiny unit, no bigger than a period on this page, contains all the information needed to enable it to grow into the complex …structure of the human body. The mother has only to provide nutrition and protection.”

Clark, J. ed., The Nervous System: Circuits of Communication in the Human Body, Torstar Books Inc., Toronto, 1985, page 99

 

[Hollie]

The scientific basis for ding's belief that human life begins at conception.

A Scientific View of When Life Begins | Charlotte Lozier Institute

"...The conclusion that human life begins at sperm-egg fusion is uncontested, objective, based on the universally accepted scientific method of distinguishing different cell types from each other and on ample scientific evidence (thousands of independent, peer-reviewed publications)..."

“Human life begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoo developmentn) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.” “A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo).”

Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2.

The Developing Human - 10th Edition

“In that fraction of a second when the chromosomes form pairs, the sex of the new child will be determined, hereditary characteristics received from each parent will be set, and a new life will have begun.”

Kaluger, G., and Kaluger, M., Human Development: The Span of Life, page 28-29, The C.V. Mosby Co., St. Louis, 1974.

https://www.amazon.com/Human-Development-Span-George-Kaluger/dp/0801626110&tag=ff0d01-20?tag=usmb-20

“It is the penetration of the ovum by a sperm and the resulting mingling of nuclear material each brings to the union that constitutes the initiation of the life of a new individual.”

Clark Edward and Corliss Patten’s Human Embryology, McGraw – Hill Inc., 30

https://www.amazon.com/Human-Embryo...atten/dp/0070131503&tag=ff0d01-20?tag=usmb-20

“Landrum B. Shettles, M.D., P.h.D. was first scientist to succeed at in vitro fertilization:

“The zygote is human life….there is one fact that no one can deny; Human beings begin at conception.”

https://www.amazon.com/Rites-Life-Scientific-Evidence-Before/dp/0310279909&tag=ff0d01-20?tag=usmb-20

The medical textbook, Before We Are Born – Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects, states:

“The zygote and early embryo are living human organisms.”

Keith L. Moore & T.V.N. Persaud Before We Are Born – Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects (W.B. Saunders Company, 1998. Fifth edition.) Page 500

https://www.amazon.com/Before-Are-Born-Essentials-Embryology/dp/1437720013&tag=ff0d01-20?tag=usmb-20

“The term conception refers to the union of the male and female pronuclear elements of procreation from which a new living being develops. It is synonymous with the terms fecundation, impregnation, and fertilization … The zygote thus formed represents the beginning of a new life.”

Eric Pastuszek. Is the Fetus Human? (Rockford, Illinois: Tan books And Publishers Inc., 1991)

9780895554864: Is the Fetus Human? - AbeBooks - Eric J. Pastuszek: 0895554860

My "extremist" view is that at conception a new genetically distinct human being has been created. One that has never existed before and will never exist again. Science confirms this because DNA confirms this.

The DNA confirms it is a new genetically distinct human being.

My definition of HUMAN LIFE is not an arbitrary. Furthermore, it is not just any human life. It is a very specific human life. One that had never existed before and will never exist again. Therefore, it is a specific person in it's earliest stage of the human development cycle and has all of the appropriate attributes that it should for that stage of the human life cycle which begins at conception and ends at death.

Every embryology textbook states that human life begins at conception. Conception is the beginning of the human life cycle and death is the end of the human life cycle. At any point along the continuum it is fully human.

“The first cell of a new and unique human life begins existence at the moment of conception (fertilization) when one living sperm from the father joins with one living ovum from the mother. It is in this manner that human life passes from one generation to another. Given the appropriate environment and genetic composition, the single cell subsequently gives rise to trillions of specialized and integrated cells that compose the structures and functions of each individual human body. Every human being alive today and, as far as is known scientifically, every human being that ever existed, began his or her unique existence in this manner, i.e., as one cell. If this first cell or any subsequent configuration of cells perishes, the individual dies, ceasing to exist in matter as a living being. There are no known exceptions to this rule in the field of human biology.”

James Bopp, ed., Human Life and Health Care Ethics, vol. 2 (Frederick, MD: University Publications of America, 1985)

Human Life and Health Care Ethics - Vol. 2, 1985 | Online Research Library: Questia

“….it is scientifically correct to say that human life begins at conception.”

Dr. Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard Medical School: Quoted by Public Affairs Council

THE REGION: IN SUMMARY; Experts Clash at Abortion Hearings

“Human life begins when the ovum is fertilized and the new combined cell mass begins to divide.”

Dr. Jasper Williams, Former President of the National Medical Association (p 74)

“Biologically speaking, human development begins at fertilization.”

The Biology of Prenatal Develpment, National Geographic, 2006.

“The two cells gradually and gracefully become one. This is the moment of conception, when an individual’s unique set of DNA is created, a human signature that never existed before and will never be repeated.”

In the Womb, National Geographic, 2005

“The zygote therefore contains a new arrangement of genes on the chromosomes never before duplicated in any other individual. The offspring destined to develop from the fertilized ovum will have a genetic constitution different from anyone else in the world.”

DeCoursey, R.M., The Human Organism, 4th edition McGraw Hill Inc., Toronto, 1974. page 584

“The science of the development of the individual before birth is called embryology. It is the story of miracles, describing the means by which a single microscopic cell is transformed into a complex human being. Genetically the zygote is complete. It represents a new single celled individual.”

Thibodeau, G.A., and Anthony, C.P., Structure and Function of the Body, 8th edition, St. Louis: Times Mirror/Mosby College Publishers, St. Louis, 1988. pages 409-419

“The development of a new human being begins when a male’s sperm pierces the cell membrane of a female’s ovum, or egg….The villi become the placenta, which will nourish the developing infant for the next eight and a half months.”

Scarr, S., Weinberg, R.A., and Levine A., Understanding Development, Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, Inc., 1986. page 86

“Each human begins life as a combination of two cells, a female ovum and a much smaller male sperm. This tiny unit, no bigger than a period on this page, contains all the information needed to enable it to grow into the complex …structure of the human body. The mother has only to provide nutrition and protection.”

Clark, J. ed., The Nervous System: Circuits of Communication in the Human Body, Torstar Books Inc., Toronto, 1985, page 99

A lot of cutting and pasting but nothing supports the Keith Moore Koranic version of embryology.

Further, you koranic extremists on this issue forget that Roe vs. Wade IS a compromise. Some may have it that a zygote exhibiting no brain waves or heartbeat (no brain, no heart) is, despite all evidence to the contrary, a person. These folks would claim you destroyed an oak tree if you picked up an acorn. Roe vs Wade is a reasonable solution in principle, but subject to modification predicated upon scientific progress - i.e, an earlier point of viability via artificial incubation.

 

[ding]

The scientific basis for ding's belief that human life begins at conception.

A Scientific View of When Life Begins | Charlotte Lozier Institute

"...The conclusion that human life begins at sperm-egg fusion is uncontested, objective, based on the universally accepted scientific method of distinguishing different cell types from each other and on ample scientific evidence (thousands of independent, peer-reviewed publications)..."

“Human life begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoo developmentn) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.” “A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo).”

Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2.

The Developing Human - 10th Edition

“In that fraction of a second when the chromosomes form pairs, the sex of the new child will be determined, hereditary characteristics received from each parent will be set, and a new life will have begun.”

Kaluger, G., and Kaluger, M., Human Development: The Span of Life, page 28-29, The C.V. Mosby Co., St. Louis, 1974.

https://www.amazon.com/Human-Development-Span-George-Kaluger/dp/0801626110&tag=ff0d01-20?tag=usmb-20

“It is the penetration of the ovum by a sperm and the resulting mingling of nuclear material each brings to the union that constitutes the initiation of the life of a new individual.”

Clark Edward and Corliss Patten’s Human Embryology, McGraw – Hill Inc., 30

https://www.amazon.com/Human-Embryo...atten/dp/0070131503&tag=ff0d01-20?tag=usmb-20

“Landrum B. Shettles, M.D., P.h.D. was first scientist to succeed at in vitro fertilization:

“The zygote is human life….there is one fact that no one can deny; Human beings begin at conception.”

https://www.amazon.com/Rites-Life-Scientific-Evidence-Before/dp/0310279909&tag=ff0d01-20?tag=usmb-20

The medical textbook, Before We Are Born – Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects, states:

“The zygote and early embryo are living human organisms.”

Keith L. Moore & T.V.N. Persaud Before We Are Born – Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects (W.B. Saunders Company, 1998. Fifth edition.) Page 500

https://www.amazon.com/Before-Are-Born-Essentials-Embryology/dp/1437720013&tag=ff0d01-20?tag=usmb-20

“The term conception refers to the union of the male and female pronuclear elements of procreation from which a new living being develops. It is synonymous with the terms fecundation, impregnation, and fertilization … The zygote thus formed represents the beginning of a new life.”

Eric Pastuszek. Is the Fetus Human? (Rockford, Illinois: Tan books And Publishers Inc., 1991)

9780895554864: Is the Fetus Human? - AbeBooks - Eric J. Pastuszek: 0895554860

My "extremist" view is that at conception a new genetically distinct human being has been created. One that has never existed before and will never exist again. Science confirms this because DNA confirms this.

The DNA confirms it is a new genetically distinct human being.

My definition of HUMAN LIFE is not an arbitrary. Furthermore, it is not just any human life. It is a very specific human life. One that had never existed before and will never exist again. Therefore, it is a specific person in it's earliest stage of the human development cycle and has all of the appropriate attributes that it should for that stage of the human life cycle which begins at conception and ends at death.

Every embryology textbook states that human life begins at conception. Conception is the beginning of the human life cycle and death is the end of the human life cycle. At any point along the continuum it is fully human.

“The first cell of a new and unique human life begins existence at the moment of conception (fertilization) when one living sperm from the father joins with one living ovum from the mother. It is in this manner that human life passes from one generation to another. Given the appropriate environment and genetic composition, the single cell subsequently gives rise to trillions of specialized and integrated cells that compose the structures and functions of each individual human body. Every human being alive today and, as far as is known scientifically, every human being that ever existed, began his or her unique existence in this manner, i.e., as one cell. If this first cell or any subsequent configuration of cells perishes, the individual dies, ceasing to exist in matter as a living being. There are no known exceptions to this rule in the field of human biology.”

James Bopp, ed., Human Life and Health Care Ethics, vol. 2 (Frederick, MD: University Publications of America, 1985)

Human Life and Health Care Ethics - Vol. 2, 1985 | Online Research Library: Questia

“….it is scientifically correct to say that human life begins at conception.”

Dr. Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard Medical School: Quoted by Public Affairs Council

THE REGION: IN SUMMARY; Experts Clash at Abortion Hearings

“Human life begins when the ovum is fertilized and the new combined cell mass begins to divide.”

Dr. Jasper Williams, Former President of the National Medical Association (p 74)

“Biologically speaking, human development begins at fertilization.”

The Biology of Prenatal Develpment, National Geographic, 2006.

“The two cells gradually and gracefully become one. This is the moment of conception, when an individual’s unique set of DNA is created, a human signature that never existed before and will never be repeated.”

In the Womb, National Geographic, 2005

“The zygote therefore contains a new arrangement of genes on the chromosomes never before duplicated in any other individual. The offspring destined to develop from the fertilized ovum will have a genetic constitution different from anyone else in the world.”

DeCoursey, R.M., The Human Organism, 4th edition McGraw Hill Inc., Toronto, 1974. page 584

“The science of the development of the individual before birth is called embryology. It is the story of miracles, describing the means by which a single microscopic cell is transformed into a complex human being. Genetically the zygote is complete. It represents a new single celled individual.”

Thibodeau, G.A., and Anthony, C.P., Structure and Function of the Body, 8th edition, St. Louis: Times Mirror/Mosby College Publishers, St. Louis, 1988. pages 409-419

“The development of a new human being begins when a male’s sperm pierces the cell membrane of a female’s ovum, or egg….The villi become the placenta, which will nourish the developing infant for the next eight and a half months.”

Scarr, S., Weinberg, R.A., and Levine A., Understanding Development, Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, Inc., 1986. page 86

“Each human begins life as a combination of two cells, a female ovum and a much smaller male sperm. This tiny unit, no bigger than a period on this page, contains all the information needed to enable it to grow into the complex …structure of the human body. The mother has only to provide nutrition and protection.”

Clark, J. ed., The Nervous System: Circuits of Communication in the Human Body, Torstar Books Inc., Toronto, 1985, page 99

A lot of cutting and pasting but nothing supports the Keith Moore Koranic version of embryology.

Further, you koranic extremists on this issue forget that Roe vs. Wade IS a compromise. Some may have it that a zygote exhibiting no brain waves or heartbeat (no brain, no heart) is, despite all evidence to the contrary, a person. These folks would claim you destroyed an oak tree if you picked up an acorn. On the other end of the spectrum, you'll find those who equate gestation with a form of unfettered biological tyrrany, and the developing zygote/embryo/fetus/child is subject to eviction by the womb owner at any time throughout the nine month residence. Roe vs Wade is a reasonable solution in principle, but subject to modification predicated upon scientific progress - i.e, an earlier point of viability via artificial incubation.

You have zero experts to support your position that human life does not begin at conception.

I have presented evidence from numerous experts that human life does begin at conception.

Specifically...

Kaluger, G., and Kaluger, M., Human Development: The Span of Life, page 28-29, The C.V. Mosby Co., St. Louis, 1974.

Clark Edward and Corliss Patten’s Human Embryology, McGraw – Hill Inc., 30

“Landrum B. Shettles, M.D., P.h.D. was first scientist to succeed at in vitro fertilization:

The medical textbook, Before We Are Born – Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects

The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology

Eric Pastuszek. Is the Fetus Human? (Rockford, Illinois: Tan books And Publishers Inc., 1991)

James Bopp, ed., Human Life and Health Care Ethics, vol. 2 (Frederick, MD: University Publications of America, 1985)

Dr. Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard Medical School:

Dr. Jasper Williams, Former President of the National Medical Association (p 74)

The Biology of Prenatal Develpment, National Geographic

In the Womb, National Geographic

DeCoursey, R.M., The Human Organism, 4th edition McGraw Hill Inc., Toronto, 1974. page 584

Thibodeau, G.A., and Anthony, C.P., Structure and Function of the Body, 8th edition, St. Louis: Times Mirror/Mosby College Publishers, St. Louis, 1988. pages 409-419

Scarr, S., Weinberg, R.A., and Levine A., Understanding Development, Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, Inc., 1986. page 86

Clark, J. ed., The Nervous System: Circuits of Communication in the Human Body, Torstar Books Inc., Toronto, 1985, page 99

Now try to discredit them.

 

[Hollie]

The scientific basis for ding's belief that human life begins at conception.

A Scientific View of When Life Begins | Charlotte Lozier Institute

"...The conclusion that human life begins at sperm-egg fusion is uncontested, objective, based on the universally accepted scientific method of distinguishing different cell types from each other and on ample scientific evidence (thousands of independent, peer-reviewed publications)..."

“Human life begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoo developmentn) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.” “A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo).”

Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2.

The Developing Human - 10th Edition

“In that fraction of a second when the chromosomes form pairs, the sex of the new child will be determined, hereditary characteristics received from each parent will be set, and a new life will have begun.”

Kaluger, G., and Kaluger, M., Human Development: The Span of Life, page 28-29, The C.V. Mosby Co., St. Louis, 1974.

https://www.amazon.com/Human-Development-Span-George-Kaluger/dp/0801626110&tag=ff0d01-20?tag=usmb-20

“It is the penetration of the ovum by a sperm and the resulting mingling of nuclear material each brings to the union that constitutes the initiation of the life of a new individual.”

Clark Edward and Corliss Patten’s Human Embryology, McGraw – Hill Inc., 30

https://www.amazon.com/Human-Embryo...atten/dp/0070131503&tag=ff0d01-20?tag=usmb-20

“Landrum B. Shettles, M.D., P.h.D. was first scientist to succeed at in vitro fertilization:

“The zygote is human life….there is one fact that no one can deny; Human beings begin at conception.”

https://www.amazon.com/Rites-Life-Scientific-Evidence-Before/dp/0310279909&tag=ff0d01-20?tag=usmb-20

The medical textbook, Before We Are Born – Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects, states:

“The zygote and early embryo are living human organisms.”

Keith L. Moore & T.V.N. Persaud Before We Are Born – Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects (W.B. Saunders Company, 1998. Fifth edition.) Page 500

https://www.amazon.com/Before-Are-Born-Essentials-Embryology/dp/1437720013&tag=ff0d01-20?tag=usmb-20

“The term conception refers to the union of the male and female pronuclear elements of procreation from which a new living being develops. It is synonymous with the terms fecundation, impregnation, and fertilization … The zygote thus formed represents the beginning of a new life.”

Eric Pastuszek. Is the Fetus Human? (Rockford, Illinois: Tan books And Publishers Inc., 1991)

9780895554864: Is the Fetus Human? - AbeBooks - Eric J. Pastuszek: 0895554860

My "extremist" view is that at conception a new genetically distinct human being has been created. One that has never existed before and will never exist again. Science confirms this because DNA confirms this.

The DNA confirms it is a new genetically distinct human being.

My definition of HUMAN LIFE is not an arbitrary. Furthermore, it is not just any human life. It is a very specific human life. One that had never existed before and will never exist again. Therefore, it is a specific person in it's earliest stage of the human development cycle and has all of the appropriate attributes that it should for that stage of the human life cycle which begins at conception and ends at death.

Every embryology textbook states that human life begins at conception. Conception is the beginning of the human life cycle and death is the end of the human life cycle. At any point along the continuum it is fully human.

“The first cell of a new and unique human life begins existence at the moment of conception (fertilization) when one living sperm from the father joins with one living ovum from the mother. It is in this manner that human life passes from one generation to another. Given the appropriate environment and genetic composition, the single cell subsequently gives rise to trillions of specialized and integrated cells that compose the structures and functions of each individual human body. Every human being alive today and, as far as is known scientifically, every human being that ever existed, began his or her unique existence in this manner, i.e., as one cell. If this first cell or any subsequent configuration of cells perishes, the individual dies, ceasing to exist in matter as a living being. There are no known exceptions to this rule in the field of human biology.”

James Bopp, ed., Human Life and Health Care Ethics, vol. 2 (Frederick, MD: University Publications of America, 1985)

Human Life and Health Care Ethics - Vol. 2, 1985 | Online Research Library: Questia

“….it is scientifically correct to say that human life begins at conception.”

Dr. Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard Medical School: Quoted by Public Affairs Council

THE REGION: IN SUMMARY; Experts Clash at Abortion Hearings

“Human life begins when the ovum is fertilized and the new combined cell mass begins to divide.”

Dr. Jasper Williams, Former President of the National Medical Association (p 74)

“Biologically speaking, human development begins at fertilization.”

The Biology of Prenatal Develpment, National Geographic, 2006.

“The two cells gradually and gracefully become one. This is the moment of conception, when an individual’s unique set of DNA is created, a human signature that never existed before and will never be repeated.”

In the Womb, National Geographic, 2005

“The zygote therefore contains a new arrangement of genes on the chromosomes never before duplicated in any other individual. The offspring destined to develop from the fertilized ovum will have a genetic constitution different from anyone else in the world.”

DeCoursey, R.M., The Human Organism, 4th edition McGraw Hill Inc., Toronto, 1974. page 584

“The science of the development of the individual before birth is called embryology. It is the story of miracles, describing the means by which a single microscopic cell is transformed into a complex human being. Genetically the zygote is complete. It represents a new single celled individual.”

Thibodeau, G.A., and Anthony, C.P., Structure and Function of the Body, 8th edition, St. Louis: Times Mirror/Mosby College Publishers, St. Louis, 1988. pages 409-419

“The development of a new human being begins when a male’s sperm pierces the cell membrane of a female’s ovum, or egg….The villi become the placenta, which will nourish the developing infant for the next eight and a half months.”

Scarr, S., Weinberg, R.A., and Levine A., Understanding Development, Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, Inc., 1986. page 86

“Each human begins life as a combination of two cells, a female ovum and a much smaller male sperm. This tiny unit, no bigger than a period on this page, contains all the information needed to enable it to grow into the complex …structure of the human body. The mother has only to provide nutrition and protection.”

Clark, J. ed., The Nervous System: Circuits of Communication in the Human Body, Torstar Books Inc., Toronto, 1985, page 99

A lot of cutting and pasting but nothing supports the Keith Moore Koranic version of embryology.

Further, you koranic extremists on this issue forget that Roe vs. Wade IS a compromise. Some may have it that a zygote exhibiting no brain waves or heartbeat (no brain, no heart) is, despite all evidence to the contrary, a person. These folks would claim you destroyed an oak tree if you picked up an acorn. On the other end of the spectrum, you'll find those who equate gestation with a form of unfettered biological tyrrany, and the developing zygote/embryo/fetus/child is subject to eviction by the womb owner at any time throughout the nine month residence. Roe vs Wade is a reasonable solution in principle, but subject to modification predicated upon scientific progress - i.e, an earlier point of viability via artificial incubation.

You have zero experts to support your position that human life does not begin at conception.

I have presented evidence from numerous experts that human life does begin at conception.

Specifically...

Kaluger, G., and Kaluger, M., Human Development: The Span of Life, page 28-29, The C.V. Mosby Co., St. Louis, 1974.

Clark Edward and Corliss Patten’s Human Embryology, McGraw – Hill Inc., 30

“Landrum B. Shettles, M.D., P.h.D. was first scientist to succeed at in vitro fertilization:

The medical textbook, Before We Are Born – Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects

The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology

Eric Pastuszek. Is the Fetus Human? (Rockford, Illinois: Tan books And Publishers Inc., 1991)

James Bopp, ed., Human Life and Health Care Ethics, vol. 2 (Frederick, MD: University Publications of America, 1985)

Dr. Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard Medical School:

Dr. Jasper Williams, Former President of the National Medical Association (p 74)

The Biology of Prenatal Develpment, National Geographic

In the Womb, National Geographic

DeCoursey, R.M., The Human Organism, 4th edition McGraw Hill Inc., Toronto, 1974. page 584

Thibodeau, G.A., and Anthony, C.P., Structure and Function of the Body, 8th edition, St. Louis: Times Mirror/Mosby College Publishers, St. Louis, 1988. pages 409-419

Scarr, S., Weinberg, R.A., and Levine A., Understanding Development, Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, Inc., 1986. page 86

Clark, J. ed., The Nervous System: Circuits of Communication in the Human Body, Torstar Books Inc., Toronto, 1985, page 99

Now try to discredit them.

Your usual habit is to cut and paste material you don't understand. However, you Keith Moore inspired koran thumpers should remember that this thread is about the abortion issue. Your spamming with the charlatan Keith Moore and his koranic versions of embryology is pointless and time wasting.

When your koran thumpers refer to an amalgam of cells in early gestation as a "baby" rational discussion is at an end. Should you attempt to use the power of government to force a woman, against her will, to keep it in her womb until it eventually does develop into a real person, they should be invited immediately to "Take it" into protective custody, give it a name, partake of its company, and let the woman go free.

The attempt by such zealots to impose their will on others as they threaten women into becoming involuntary incubators is a testament to the weakness of the 'moral' position they would impose on others. Were it valid, persuasion would eliminate their lust for governmental coercion.

They are free now to imagine that a fertilized egg is an individual indistinguishable from themselves. Others simply do not share their fantasy.

You have single-handedly discredited Keith Moore and koranic embryology.

 

[ding]

The scientific basis for ding's belief that human life begins at conception.

A Scientific View of When Life Begins | Charlotte Lozier Institute

"...The conclusion that human life begins at sperm-egg fusion is uncontested, objective, based on the universally accepted scientific method of distinguishing different cell types from each other and on ample scientific evidence (thousands of independent, peer-reviewed publications)..."

“Human life begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoo developmentn) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.” “A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo).”

Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2.

The Developing Human - 10th Edition

“In that fraction of a second when the chromosomes form pairs, the sex of the new child will be determined, hereditary characteristics received from each parent will be set, and a new life will have begun.”

Kaluger, G., and Kaluger, M., Human Development: The Span of Life, page 28-29, The C.V. Mosby Co., St. Louis, 1974.

https://www.amazon.com/Human-Development-Span-George-Kaluger/dp/0801626110&tag=ff0d01-20?tag=usmb-20

“It is the penetration of the ovum by a sperm and the resulting mingling of nuclear material each brings to the union that constitutes the initiation of the life of a new individual.”

Clark Edward and Corliss Patten’s Human Embryology, McGraw – Hill Inc., 30

https://www.amazon.com/Human-Embryo...atten/dp/0070131503&tag=ff0d01-20?tag=usmb-20

“Landrum B. Shettles, M.D., P.h.D. was first scientist to succeed at in vitro fertilization:

“The zygote is human life….there is one fact that no one can deny; Human beings begin at conception.”

https://www.amazon.com/Rites-Life-Scientific-Evidence-Before/dp/0310279909&tag=ff0d01-20?tag=usmb-20

The medical textbook, Before We Are Born – Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects, states:

“The zygote and early embryo are living human organisms.”

Keith L. Moore & T.V.N. Persaud Before We Are Born – Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects (W.B. Saunders Company, 1998. Fifth edition.) Page 500

https://www.amazon.com/Before-Are-Born-Essentials-Embryology/dp/1437720013&tag=ff0d01-20?tag=usmb-20

“The term conception refers to the union of the male and female pronuclear elements of procreation from which a new living being develops. It is synonymous with the terms fecundation, impregnation, and fertilization … The zygote thus formed represents the beginning of a new life.”

Eric Pastuszek. Is the Fetus Human? (Rockford, Illinois: Tan books And Publishers Inc., 1991)

9780895554864: Is the Fetus Human? - AbeBooks - Eric J. Pastuszek: 0895554860

My "extremist" view is that at conception a new genetically distinct human being has been created. One that has never existed before and will never exist again. Science confirms this because DNA confirms this.

The DNA confirms it is a new genetically distinct human being.

My definition of HUMAN LIFE is not an arbitrary. Furthermore, it is not just any human life. It is a very specific human life. One that had never existed before and will never exist again. Therefore, it is a specific person in it's earliest stage of the human development cycle and has all of the appropriate attributes that it should for that stage of the human life cycle which begins at conception and ends at death.

Every embryology textbook states that human life begins at conception. Conception is the beginning of the human life cycle and death is the end of the human life cycle. At any point along the continuum it is fully human.

“The first cell of a new and unique human life begins existence at the moment of conception (fertilization) when one living sperm from the father joins with one living ovum from the mother. It is in this manner that human life passes from one generation to another. Given the appropriate environment and genetic composition, the single cell subsequently gives rise to trillions of specialized and integrated cells that compose the structures and functions of each individual human body. Every human being alive today and, as far as is known scientifically, every human being that ever existed, began his or her unique existence in this manner, i.e., as one cell. If this first cell or any subsequent configuration of cells perishes, the individual dies, ceasing to exist in matter as a living being. There are no known exceptions to this rule in the field of human biology.”

James Bopp, ed., Human Life and Health Care Ethics, vol. 2 (Frederick, MD: University Publications of America, 1985)

Human Life and Health Care Ethics - Vol. 2, 1985 | Online Research Library: Questia

“….it is scientifically correct to say that human life begins at conception.”

Dr. Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard Medical School: Quoted by Public Affairs Council

THE REGION: IN SUMMARY; Experts Clash at Abortion Hearings

“Human life begins when the ovum is fertilized and the new combined cell mass begins to divide.”

Dr. Jasper Williams, Former President of the National Medical Association (p 74)

“Biologically speaking, human development begins at fertilization.”

The Biology of Prenatal Develpment, National Geographic, 2006.

“The two cells gradually and gracefully become one. This is the moment of conception, when an individual’s unique set of DNA is created, a human signature that never existed before and will never be repeated.”

In the Womb, National Geographic, 2005

“The zygote therefore contains a new arrangement of genes on the chromosomes never before duplicated in any other individual. The offspring destined to develop from the fertilized ovum will have a genetic constitution different from anyone else in the world.”

DeCoursey, R.M., The Human Organism, 4th edition McGraw Hill Inc., Toronto, 1974. page 584

“The science of the development of the individual before birth is called embryology. It is the story of miracles, describing the means by which a single microscopic cell is transformed into a complex human being. Genetically the zygote is complete. It represents a new single celled individual.”

Thibodeau, G.A., and Anthony, C.P., Structure and Function of the Body, 8th edition, St. Louis: Times Mirror/Mosby College Publishers, St. Louis, 1988. pages 409-419

“The development of a new human being begins when a male’s sperm pierces the cell membrane of a female’s ovum, or egg….The villi become the placenta, which will nourish the developing infant for the next eight and a half months.”

Scarr, S., Weinberg, R.A., and Levine A., Understanding Development, Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, Inc., 1986. page 86

“Each human begins life as a combination of two cells, a female ovum and a much smaller male sperm. This tiny unit, no bigger than a period on this page, contains all the information needed to enable it to grow into the complex …structure of the human body. The mother has only to provide nutrition and protection.”

Clark, J. ed., The Nervous System: Circuits of Communication in the Human Body, Torstar Books Inc., Toronto, 1985, page 99

A lot of cutting and pasting but nothing supports the Keith Moore Koranic version of embryology.

Further, you koranic extremists on this issue forget that Roe vs. Wade IS a compromise. Some may have it that a zygote exhibiting no brain waves or heartbeat (no brain, no heart) is, despite all evidence to the contrary, a person. These folks would claim you destroyed an oak tree if you picked up an acorn. On the other end of the spectrum, you'll find those who equate gestation with a form of unfettered biological tyrrany, and the developing zygote/embryo/fetus/child is subject to eviction by the womb owner at any time throughout the nine month residence. Roe vs Wade is a reasonable solution in principle, but subject to modification predicated upon scientific progress - i.e, an earlier point of viability via artificial incubation.

You have zero experts to support your position that human life does not begin at conception.

I have presented evidence from numerous experts that human life does begin at conception.

Specifically...

Kaluger, G., and Kaluger, M., Human Development: The Span of Life, page 28-29, The C.V. Mosby Co., St. Louis, 1974.

Clark Edward and Corliss Patten’s Human Embryology, McGraw – Hill Inc., 30

“Landrum B. Shettles, M.D., P.h.D. was first scientist to succeed at in vitro fertilization:

The medical textbook, Before We Are Born – Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects

The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology

Eric Pastuszek. Is the Fetus Human? (Rockford, Illinois: Tan books And Publishers Inc., 1991)

James Bopp, ed., Human Life and Health Care Ethics, vol. 2 (Frederick, MD: University Publications of America, 1985)

Dr. Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard Medical School:

Dr. Jasper Williams, Former President of the National Medical Association (p 74)

The Biology of Prenatal Develpment, National Geographic

In the Womb, National Geographic

DeCoursey, R.M., The Human Organism, 4th edition McGraw Hill Inc., Toronto, 1974. page 584

Thibodeau, G.A., and Anthony, C.P., Structure and Function of the Body, 8th edition, St. Louis: Times Mirror/Mosby College Publishers, St. Louis, 1988. pages 409-419

Scarr, S., Weinberg, R.A., and Levine A., Understanding Development, Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, Inc., 1986. page 86

Clark, J. ed., The Nervous System: Circuits of Communication in the Human Body, Torstar Books Inc., Toronto, 1985, page 99

Now try to discredit them.

Your usual habit is to cut and paste material you don't understand. However, you Keith Moore inspired koran thumpers should remember that this thread is about the abortion issue. Your spamming with the charlatan Keith Moore and his koranic versions of embryology is pointless and time wasting.

When your koran thumpers refer to an amalgam of cells in early gestation as a "baby" rational discussion is at an end. Should you attempt to use the power of government to force a woman, against her will, to keep it in her womb until it eventually does develop into a real person, they should be invited immediately to "Take it" into protective custody, give it a name, partake of its company, and let the woman go free.

The attempt by such zealots to impose their will on others as they threaten women into becoming involuntary incubators is a testament to the weakness of the 'moral' position they would impose on others. Were it valid, persuasion would eliminate their lust for governmental coercion.

They are free now to imagine that a fertilized egg is an individual indistinguishable from themselves. Others simply do not share their fantasy.

You have single-handedly discredited Keith Moore and koranic embryology.

There is literally no embryologist who doesn't believe that human life begins at conception. None. Zero. The human life cycle literally begins at conception.

You have no scientific basis for saying human life does not begin at conception.

All you can make are ad hominem attacks.

I have presented a dozen different scientific experts who all agree that human life begins at conception. Even the word conception means beginning.

 

[Hollie]

The scientific basis for ding's belief that human life begins at conception.

A Scientific View of When Life Begins | Charlotte Lozier Institute

"...The conclusion that human life begins at sperm-egg fusion is uncontested, objective, based on the universally accepted scientific method of distinguishing different cell types from each other and on ample scientific evidence (thousands of independent, peer-reviewed publications)..."

“Human life begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoo developmentn) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.” “A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo).”

Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2.

The Developing Human - 10th Edition

“In that fraction of a second when the chromosomes form pairs, the sex of the new child will be determined, hereditary characteristics received from each parent will be set, and a new life will have begun.”

Kaluger, G., and Kaluger, M., Human Development: The Span of Life, page 28-29, The C.V. Mosby Co., St. Louis, 1974.

https://www.amazon.com/Human-Development-Span-George-Kaluger/dp/0801626110&tag=ff0d01-20?tag=usmb-20

“It is the penetration of the ovum by a sperm and the resulting mingling of nuclear material each brings to the union that constitutes the initiation of the life of a new individual.”

Clark Edward and Corliss Patten’s Human Embryology, McGraw – Hill Inc., 30

https://www.amazon.com/Human-Embryo...atten/dp/0070131503&tag=ff0d01-20?tag=usmb-20

“Landrum B. Shettles, M.D., P.h.D. was first scientist to succeed at in vitro fertilization:

“The zygote is human life….there is one fact that no one can deny; Human beings begin at conception.”

https://www.amazon.com/Rites-Life-Scientific-Evidence-Before/dp/0310279909&tag=ff0d01-20?tag=usmb-20

The medical textbook, Before We Are Born – Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects, states:

“The zygote and early embryo are living human organisms.”

Keith L. Moore & T.V.N. Persaud Before We Are Born – Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects (W.B. Saunders Company, 1998. Fifth edition.) Page 500

https://www.amazon.com/Before-Are-Born-Essentials-Embryology/dp/1437720013&tag=ff0d01-20?tag=usmb-20

“The term conception refers to the union of the male and female pronuclear elements of procreation from which a new living being develops. It is synonymous with the terms fecundation, impregnation, and fertilization … The zygote thus formed represents the beginning of a new life.”

Eric Pastuszek. Is the Fetus Human? (Rockford, Illinois: Tan books And Publishers Inc., 1991)

9780895554864: Is the Fetus Human? - AbeBooks - Eric J. Pastuszek: 0895554860

My "extremist" view is that at conception a new genetically distinct human being has been created. One that has never existed before and will never exist again. Science confirms this because DNA confirms this.

The DNA confirms it is a new genetically distinct human being.

My definition of HUMAN LIFE is not an arbitrary. Furthermore, it is not just any human life. It is a very specific human life. One that had never existed before and will never exist again. Therefore, it is a specific person in it's earliest stage of the human development cycle and has all of the appropriate attributes that it should for that stage of the human life cycle which begins at conception and ends at death.

Every embryology textbook states that human life begins at conception. Conception is the beginning of the human life cycle and death is the end of the human life cycle. At any point along the continuum it is fully human.

“The first cell of a new and unique human life begins existence at the moment of conception (fertilization) when one living sperm from the father joins with one living ovum from the mother. It is in this manner that human life passes from one generation to another. Given the appropriate environment and genetic composition, the single cell subsequently gives rise to trillions of specialized and integrated cells that compose the structures and functions of each individual human body. Every human being alive today and, as far as is known scientifically, every human being that ever existed, began his or her unique existence in this manner, i.e., as one cell. If this first cell or any subsequent configuration of cells perishes, the individual dies, ceasing to exist in matter as a living being. There are no known exceptions to this rule in the field of human biology.”

James Bopp, ed., Human Life and Health Care Ethics, vol. 2 (Frederick, MD: University Publications of America, 1985)

Human Life and Health Care Ethics - Vol. 2, 1985 | Online Research Library: Questia

“….it is scientifically correct to say that human life begins at conception.”

Dr. Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard Medical School: Quoted by Public Affairs Council

THE REGION: IN SUMMARY; Experts Clash at Abortion Hearings

“Human life begins when the ovum is fertilized and the new combined cell mass begins to divide.”

Dr. Jasper Williams, Former President of the National Medical Association (p 74)

“Biologically speaking, human development begins at fertilization.”

The Biology of Prenatal Develpment, National Geographic, 2006.

“The two cells gradually and gracefully become one. This is the moment of conception, when an individual’s unique set of DNA is created, a human signature that never existed before and will never be repeated.”

In the Womb, National Geographic, 2005

“The zygote therefore contains a new arrangement of genes on the chromosomes never before duplicated in any other individual. The offspring destined to develop from the fertilized ovum will have a genetic constitution different from anyone else in the world.”

DeCoursey, R.M., The Human Organism, 4th edition McGraw Hill Inc., Toronto, 1974. page 584

“The science of the development of the individual before birth is called embryology. It is the story of miracles, describing the means by which a single microscopic cell is transformed into a complex human being. Genetically the zygote is complete. It represents a new single celled individual.”

Thibodeau, G.A., and Anthony, C.P., Structure and Function of the Body, 8th edition, St. Louis: Times Mirror/Mosby College Publishers, St. Louis, 1988. pages 409-419

“The development of a new human being begins when a male’s sperm pierces the cell membrane of a female’s ovum, or egg….The villi become the placenta, which will nourish the developing infant for the next eight and a half months.”

Scarr, S., Weinberg, R.A., and Levine A., Understanding Development, Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, Inc., 1986. page 86

“Each human begins life as a combination of two cells, a female ovum and a much smaller male sperm. This tiny unit, no bigger than a period on this page, contains all the information needed to enable it to grow into the complex …structure of the human body. The mother has only to provide nutrition and protection.”

Clark, J. ed., The Nervous System: Circuits of Communication in the Human Body, Torstar Books Inc., Toronto, 1985, page 99

A lot of cutting and pasting but nothing supports the Keith Moore Koranic version of embryology.

Further, you koranic extremists on this issue forget that Roe vs. Wade IS a compromise. Some may have it that a zygote exhibiting no brain waves or heartbeat (no brain, no heart) is, despite all evidence to the contrary, a person. These folks would claim you destroyed an oak tree if you picked up an acorn. On the other end of the spectrum, you'll find those who equate gestation with a form of unfettered biological tyrrany, and the developing zygote/embryo/fetus/child is subject to eviction by the womb owner at any time throughout the nine month residence. Roe vs Wade is a reasonable solution in principle, but subject to modification predicated upon scientific progress - i.e, an earlier point of viability via artificial incubation.

You have zero experts to support your position that human life does not begin at conception.

I have presented evidence from numerous experts that human life does begin at conception.

Specifically...

Kaluger, G., and Kaluger, M., Human Development: The Span of Life, page 28-29, The C.V. Mosby Co., St. Louis, 1974.

Clark Edward and Corliss Patten’s Human Embryology, McGraw – Hill Inc., 30

“Landrum B. Shettles, M.D., P.h.D. was first scientist to succeed at in vitro fertilization:

The medical textbook, Before We Are Born – Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects

The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology

Eric Pastuszek. Is the Fetus Human? (Rockford, Illinois: Tan books And Publishers Inc., 1991)

James Bopp, ed., Human Life and Health Care Ethics, vol. 2 (Frederick, MD: University Publications of America, 1985)

Dr. Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard Medical School:

Dr. Jasper Williams, Former President of the National Medical Association (p 74)

The Biology of Prenatal Develpment, National Geographic

In the Womb, National Geographic

DeCoursey, R.M., The Human Organism, 4th edition McGraw Hill Inc., Toronto, 1974. page 584

Thibodeau, G.A., and Anthony, C.P., Structure and Function of the Body, 8th edition, St. Louis: Times Mirror/Mosby College Publishers, St. Louis, 1988. pages 409-419

Scarr, S., Weinberg, R.A., and Levine A., Understanding Development, Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, Inc., 1986. page 86

Clark, J. ed., The Nervous System: Circuits of Communication in the Human Body, Torstar Books Inc., Toronto, 1985, page 99

Now try to discredit them.

Your usual habit is to cut and paste material you don't understand. However, you Keith Moore inspired koran thumpers should remember that this thread is about the abortion issue. Your spamming with the charlatan Keith Moore and his koranic versions of embryology is pointless and time wasting.

When your koran thumpers refer to an amalgam of cells in early gestation as a "baby" rational discussion is at an end. Should you attempt to use the power of government to force a woman, against her will, to keep it in her womb until it eventually does develop into a real person, they should be invited immediately to "Take it" into protective custody, give it a name, partake of its company, and let the woman go free.

The attempt by such zealots to impose their will on others as they threaten women into becoming involuntary incubators is a testament to the weakness of the 'moral' position they would impose on others. Were it valid, persuasion would eliminate their lust for governmental coercion.

They are free now to imagine that a fertilized egg is an individual indistinguishable from themselves. Others simply do not share their fantasy.

You have single-handedly discredited Keith Moore and koranic embryology.

There is literally no embryologist who doesn't believe that human life begins at conception. None. Zero. The human life cycle literally begins at conception.

You have no scientific basis for saying human life does not begin at conception.

All you can make are ad hominem attacks.

I have presented a dozen different scientific experts who all agree that human life begins at conception. Even the word conception means beginning.

I will remind you again that this thread is about abortion and not your Keith Moore inspired koranic embryology.

You'll kindly pardon my opinion that the semantic gymnastics embodied in such a term as "human life" displays a simplistic, self-serving deceit. A cancer cell is a "human life." You can call a zygote a "human life" if you wish, but we both know you're falsely equating a mere potential with a fait accompli.

I do support protecting against State womb-intrusion by koran thumpers before a zygote/embryo/fetus has achieved personhood, advocating civil rights regarding equal protections in a diverse society wherein majoritarian tyranny is always a danger to individual freedom, and I maintain a conservative laissez faire attitude to Islamic zealots, organized, unorganized or disorganized.

 

[ding]

The scientific basis for ding's belief that human life begins at conception.

A lot of cutting and pasting but nothing supports the Keith Moore Koranic version of embryology.

Further, you koranic extremists on this issue forget that Roe vs. Wade IS a compromise. Some may have it that a zygote exhibiting no brain waves or heartbeat (no brain, no heart) is, despite all evidence to the contrary, a person. These folks would claim you destroyed an oak tree if you picked up an acorn. On the other end of the spectrum, you'll find those who equate gestation with a form of unfettered biological tyrrany, and the developing zygote/embryo/fetus/child is subject to eviction by the womb owner at any time throughout the nine month residence. Roe vs Wade is a reasonable solution in principle, but subject to modification predicated upon scientific progress - i.e, an earlier point of viability via artificial incubation.

You have zero experts to support your position that human life does not begin at conception.

I have presented evidence from numerous experts that human life does begin at conception.

Specifically...

Kaluger, G., and Kaluger, M., Human Development: The Span of Life, page 28-29, The C.V. Mosby Co., St. Louis, 1974.

Clark Edward and Corliss Patten’s Human Embryology, McGraw – Hill Inc., 30

“Landrum B. Shettles, M.D., P.h.D. was first scientist to succeed at in vitro fertilization:

The medical textbook, Before We Are Born – Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects

The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology

Eric Pastuszek. Is the Fetus Human? (Rockford, Illinois: Tan books And Publishers Inc., 1991)

James Bopp, ed., Human Life and Health Care Ethics, vol. 2 (Frederick, MD: University Publications of America, 1985)

Dr. Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard Medical School:

Dr. Jasper Williams, Former President of the National Medical Association (p 74)

The Biology of Prenatal Develpment, National Geographic

In the Womb, National Geographic

DeCoursey, R.M., The Human Organism, 4th edition McGraw Hill Inc., Toronto, 1974. page 584

Thibodeau, G.A., and Anthony, C.P., Structure and Function of the Body, 8th edition, St. Louis: Times Mirror/Mosby College Publishers, St. Louis, 1988. pages 409-419

Scarr, S., Weinberg, R.A., and Levine A., Understanding Development, Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, Inc., 1986. page 86

Clark, J. ed., The Nervous System: Circuits of Communication in the Human Body, Torstar Books Inc., Toronto, 1985, page 99

Now try to discredit them.

Your usual habit is to cut and paste material you don't understand. However, you Keith Moore inspired koran thumpers should remember that this thread is about the abortion issue. Your spamming with the charlatan Keith Moore and his koranic versions of embryology is pointless and time wasting.

When your koran thumpers refer to an amalgam of cells in early gestation as a "baby" rational discussion is at an end. Should you attempt to use the power of government to force a woman, against her will, to keep it in her womb until it eventually does develop into a real person, they should be invited immediately to "Take it" into protective custody, give it a name, partake of its company, and let the woman go free.

The attempt by such zealots to impose their will on others as they threaten women into becoming involuntary incubators is a testament to the weakness of the 'moral' position they would impose on others. Were it valid, persuasion would eliminate their lust for governmental coercion.

They are free now to imagine that a fertilized egg is an individual indistinguishable from themselves. Others simply do not share their fantasy.

You have single-handedly discredited Keith Moore and koranic embryology.

There is literally no embryologist who doesn't believe that human life begins at conception. None. Zero. The human life cycle literally begins at conception.

You have no scientific basis for saying human life does not begin at conception.

All you can make are ad hominem attacks.

I have presented a dozen different scientific experts who all agree that human life begins at conception. Even the word conception means beginning.

I will remind you again that this thread is about abortion and not your Keith Moore inspired koranic embryology.

You'll kindly pardon my opinion that the semantic gymnastics embodied in such a term as "human life" displays a simplistic, self-serving deceit. A cancer cell is a "human life." You can call a zygote a "human life" if you wish, but we both know you're falsely equating a mere potential with a fait accompli.

I do support protecting against State womb-intrusion by koran thumpers before a zygote/embryo/fetus has achieved personhood, advocating civil rights regarding equal protections in a diverse society wherein majoritarian tyranny is always a danger to individual freedom, and I maintain a conservative laissez faire attitude to Islamic zealots, organized, unorganized or disorganized.

Keith L. Moore - Wikipedia

Keith Leon Moore (born 5 October 1925 in Brantford, Ontario) is a professor emeritus in the division of anatomy, in the faculty of Surgery, at the University of Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Moore is associate dean for Basic Medical Sciences in the university's faculty of Medicine, and was Chair of Anatomy from 1976 to 1984. He is a founding member of the American Association of Clinical Anatomists (AACA),[1][2][3] and was President of the AACA between 1989 and 1991.[4]

Moore has co-written (with Professor Arthur F. Dalley and Professor Anne M. R. Agur) Clinically Oriented Anatomy, an English-language anatomy textbook.[5] He also co-wrote (with Professor Anne M. R. Agur and Professor Arthur F. Dalley) Essential Clinical Anatomy.[6]

 

[BreezeWood]

Now try to discredit them.

bing claims to have had a vasectomy procedure done for himself ...


Vasectomy — also called male sterilization — is a surgical procedure. It is meant to protect against pregnancy permanently, so it’s super effective.

Vasectomies are meant to be permanent — so they usually can’t be reversed.


bing, why is that not equivalent to having an abortion - - did you get permission for the operation. the gale can still get pregnant latter.