A Short Introduction to the Study of Holocaust Revisionism

[Tommy Tainant]

"HERE WE GO AGAIN"





Oh Please....

Not another fictitious: "My Taid (sic) / uncle / garbage man / dog catcher / tooth fairy etc claims that he saw a German work camp so I know everything about WW 2." claim.

If every claim to have had a: "Taid" (sic) / uncle / garbage man / dog catcher / tooth fairy etc that showed up after Allied propagandists and Hollywood movie moguls had enlarged piles of naked bodies with the bodies of German P.O.W.s and murdered German civilians, built phony homicidal gas chambers, built chimneys to nowhere, collected old shoes from shoe repair shops and fabricated other grisly movie props etc were true, there wouldn't have been room for the inmates.

After years of Allied atrocity propaganda about "homicidal German gas chambers", not one has been found in the 80 years of frantic searching.

How embarrassing !

But, no problem...Just get German P.O.W.s to build a fake one to show the world and that's what happened. (2)

Unfortunately for the Holocaust Industry, the International Organizations who inspected the phony homicidal gas chamber noticed its new construction and wet paint and the scam was exposed for what it was.

With the passage of time, countless other Holocaust frauds have been exposed


(1). “The Director of the Holocau$t - Khazar Expatriate Billy Wilder”

"The Director of the Holocau$t - Khazar Expatriate Billy Wilder : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive"​

EXCERPT "The Director of the Holocaust - Khazar Expatriate Billy Wilder Almost all the films you've ever seen of the Holocaust were staged. Using Allied propaganda as a rough script..."
archive.org
EXCERPT “Almost all the films you've ever seen of the Holocaust were staged. Using Allied propaganda as a rough script, directors from Hollywood were shipped to Germany and Poland to direct propaganda films for post-war use. One of the most notable of these was Billy Wilder, director of many very well known films, such as "Some Like It Hot" with Marilyn Monroe." CONTINUED


(2). "NKVD Forced German POWs to Build Fake Gas Chambers AFTER the War !"

NKVD Forced German POWs to Build Fake Gas Chambers AFTER the War !

I was held by the Russians in Sachsen-hausen, and made to build a gas chamber there; this is what I saw

vk.com

EXCERPT "As a young officer, Gerhart Schirmer was captured in 1945 by the Russians and held in Sachsenhausen which the Russians continued to use as a prison. Although the War and Nazism were over, Schirmer and a few fellow-prisoners were forced to construct a gas chamber and execution room, to show the world what the Nazis had done. He described his experiences in a booklet entitled 'Sachsenhausen - Workuta, Zehn Jahre in den Fängen der Sowjets' (Grabert Verlag, Tübingen, 1992).

When 'certain groups' drew the attention of the authorities to the booklet's contents, it was seized and banned in Germany. This is described by Schirmer below (my translation). I understand Schirmer was given the choice of a fine or prison and he chose the fine because, being over ninety, he did not relish spending his last few years behind bars, especially as he had already spent eleven years of his life in prison." CONTINUED


(3). "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


(4). "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"

Holocaust Claims Conference fraud likely ‘much higher’ than $57 million

For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.

www.jpost.com

EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.

Writing to the Claims Conference’s board last week, recently terminated ombudsman Shmuel Hollander asserted that, while reports had said organizational insiders had siphoned off $57 million in German taxpayer funds meant for survivors, “the final sum is in all probability much higher.” CONTINUED

Go fuck yourself nazi trash.

 

[JoeB131]

Oh Please....

Not another fictitious: "My Taid (sic) / uncle / garbage man / dog catcher / tooth fairy etc claims that he saw a German work camp so I know everything about WW 2." claim.

If every claim to have had a: "Taid" (sic) / uncle / garbage man / dog catcher / tooth fairy etc that showed up after Allied propagandists and Hollywood movie moguls had enlarged piles of naked bodies with the bodies of German P.O.W.s and murdered German civilians, built phony homicidal gas chambers, built chimneys to nowhere, collected old shoes from shoe repair shops and fabricated other grisly movie props etc were true, there wouldn't have been room for the inmates.

Uh, guy, my father was with the troops that liberated Nordhausen. This wasn't a myth, and it wasn't a fairy tale.

I'm the first one here to hold Israel accountable for the genocide THEY are committing in Gaza, but I don't try to score cheap points denying the Holocaust happened.

 

[yeh]

My Taid was one of the allied troops that liberated one of the death camps. It affected him for the rest of his life.
What fucking game are you playing ?

Oh! Yet another internet user whose dad liberated blah blah blah.

 

[yeh]

My dad went to the moon with Neil and those other guys. My dad saw Ruth's called shot. My dad saw the guys who killed Kennedy.

 

[yeh]

Yeah, it's kind of bullshit.

Stalin was a bastard, to be sure. But 66 Million people killed in the USSR is a fantasy.

You maybe get to 10 million if you are being generous that day and include the famines.

The number I see attributed to Stalin is ~20 mil. Mao gets the 60 mil.

 

[JoeB131]

The number I see attributed to Stalin is ~20 mil. Mao gets the 60 mil.

And those are largely bullshit numbers.

The only way you get to 20 million with Stalin is if you throw in the famines and wars. (the Holodomor, the Russian Civil War, the Russo-Polish War, World War II.) But the real number from all those events is probably closer to 7 million.

Same thing with Mao. The only way you get to the truly impressive numbers is if you throw in the famines and droughts.

The most significant event was the Great Leap Forward, which resulted in anywhere from 15 to 45 million deaths, primarily due to famine.

The next largest event was the Cultural Revolution, which involved a number of around 1 million. That's actually more of a legitimate complaint, as that was largely institigated by the government.

Nothing compared to Hitler, who planned and executed the deaths of 12 million people.

 

[gipper]

And those are largely bullshit numbers.

The only way you get to 20 million with Stalin is if you throw in the famines and wars. (the Holodomor, the Russian Civil War, the Russo-Polish War, World War II.) But the real number from all those events is probably closer to 7 million.

Same thing with Mao. The only way you get to the truly impressive numbers is if you throw in the famines and droughts.

The most significant event was the Great Leap Forward, which resulted in anywhere from 15 to 45 million deaths, primarily due to famine.

The next largest event was the Cultural Revolution, which involved a number of around 1 million. That's actually more of a legitimate complaint, as that was largely institigated by the government.

Nothing compared to Hitler, who planned and executed the deaths of 12 million people.

No links.

Where are you getting these numbers?

Regarding the death toll for the USSR during WWII, your number isn’t found anywhere. It’s generally accepted the USSR lost over 20 million civilians and military during WWII.
Research Starters: Worldwide Deaths in World War II | The National WWII Museum | New Orleans

 

[JoeB131]

No links.

Where are you getting these numbers?

Regarding the death toll for the USSR during WWII, your number isn’t found anywhere. It’s generally accepted the USSR lost over 20 million civilians and military during WWII.

I wasn't talking about the USSR's WWII casualties, I was talking about those Stalin supposedly killed.

"Ooops, Ivan starved to death"

"Stalin got him!!!"

Not to say Stalin wasn't a complete fucking bastard. He was.

Just not buying into Bircher propaganda meant to scare people away from Communism, because the intellectual argument against communism is too hard to make.

 

[gipper]

I wasn't talking about the USSR's WWII casualties, I was talking about those Stalin supposedly killed.

"Ooops, Ivan starved to death"

"Stalin got him!!!"

Not to say Stalin wasn't a complete fucking bastard. He was.

Just not buying into Bircher propaganda meant to scare people away from Communism, because the intellectual argument against communism is too hard to make.

We know the death toll for the Holodomor ranges from 3.5 million to 7 million. You seem to be limiting Stalin’s killing to this event alone.

However, we know Stalin had a massive prison network (Gulag) that operated from the early 1930s until after his death in 1953. These prison camps held millions of people, many of whom died or were executed during their imprisonment. It’s likely several million more dead in these camps.

We also know summary executions were common during the 1930s in the USSR. The of these its hard to estimate a number, but add to total.

Holodomor Death Count​

The total death toll from the Holodomor, a man-made famine that occurred in Ukraine from 1932 to 1933, is estimated to range from around 3.5 million to 7 million people. Some estimates go as high as 10 million deaths. The precise number of victims is debated among scholars, with most estimates ranging from 3.5 million to 7 million.234+3
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Inmates filled the Gulag in three major waves: in 1929–32, the years of the collectivization of Soviet agriculture; in 1936–38, at the height of Stalin’s purges; and in the years immediately following World War II. Solzhenitsyn claimed that between 1928 and 1953 “some forty to fifty million people served long sentences in the Archipelago.” Figures supposedly compiled by the Gulag administration itself (and released by Soviet historians in 1989) show that a total of 10 million people were sent to the camps in the period from 1934 to 1947. The true figures remain unknown.

At its height the Gulag consisted of many hundreds of camps, with the average camp holding 2,000–10,000 prisoners. Most of these camps were “corrective labour colonies” in which prisoners felled timber, laboured on general construction projects (such as the building of canals and railroads), or worked in mines. Most prisoners laboured under the threat of starvation or execution if they refused. It is estimated that the combination of very long working hours, harsh climatic and other working conditions, inadequate food, and summary executions killed tens of thousands of prisoners each year. Western scholarly estimates of the total number of deaths in the Gulag in the period from 1918 to 1956 ranged from 1.2 to 1.7 million.
Gulag | Definition, History, Prison, & Facts | Britannica

 

[Grau]

Uh, guy, my father was with the troops that liberated Nordhausen. This wasn't a myth, and it wasn't a fairy tale.

I'm the first one here to hold Israel accountable for the genocide THEY are committing in Gaza, but I don't try to score cheap points denying the Holocaust happened.

I don't know of anyone who believes that the Holocaust never happened. It is only cheapened by its fraudulent embellishments and exploiting it for the systematic extermination of Palestine's native residents.
Additionally, I appreciate the fact that you also oppose Zionist genocide and I see all the signs of America being sucked into fighting another, catastrophic war for Israel against Iran, BRIC, etc.

I grew up surrounded by numerous American WW 2 Veterans including my Dad.
Among those men was a former O.W.I. officer who was both embittered and very candid about Allied propaganda co operation with Hollywood and the Holocaust Industry.

He even mentioned the names of a couple of the movie moguls (Billy Wilder & John Ford) who prepared props for phony propaganda movies to show US & British troops.

Among things shown to horrify the liberators, German P.O.W.s, German civilians were the infamous fake props that are the fraudulent foundation of the Holocaust story:
Fake shrunken heads, fake "human fat soap", fake human skin pocketbooks and lampshades were among the many outrageous deceptions.

Of course the German run work camps were in miserable shape - all of Germany was in ruins. At Bergen - Belsen, 15,000 inmates died of typhus after liberation by the British; should the British have been punished because so many died of typhus on their watch?

Finally, I lived, worked and studied in Germany over 50 years ago where I spent lots of time working with / sharing rooms with Holocaust survivors, Russian POWs, former German war Veterans. Not one of them made any mention. of homicidal gas chambers, a "Final Solution" or similar popular deceptions such as "the vaporizer":

For example:

"Auschwitz: Myths and Facts"

https://www.kultur.lu.se/media/utbildning/dokument/kurser/SASH65/20171/Auschwitz__Myths_and_Facts.pdf

EXCERPT "At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief US prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans had used a "newly invented" device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." [8] No reputable historian now accepts either of these fanciful tales." CONTINUED

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Finally, rejecting the outright lies, grotesque embellishments and impossible body counts is not "denying the Holocaust"; they are simply the numerous heavily repressed facts exploited by selectively outraged Zionists to extract the pity and funding of their own blatant genocide in former Palestine.

What is especially repulsive is the transparent exploitation of an 80 year old tragedy for the purpose of gaining sympathy and support for history's most brutal and ruthless foreign funded genocide.

Thanks,


(1). "The Hollywood Directors Who Filmed the Liberation of Nazi Concentration Camps"
https://hyperallergic.com/426644/lamoth-filming-the-camps-the-holocaust/

EXCERPT "George Stevens, John Ford, and Samuel Fuller, best known for their work in Hollywood, all documented the Allied liberation at the end of the war.

But during this period of war, they were acting less as artists than as functionaries of US propaganda and information efforts, working for the US Armed Forces and Secret Services." CONTINUED


(2). “The Director of the Holocau$t - Khazar Expatriate Billy Wilder”

The Director of the Holocau$t - Khazar Expatriate Billy Wilder : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

The Director of the Holocaust - Khazar Expatriate Billy Wilder Almost all the films you've ever seen of the Holocaust were staged. Using Allied propaganda as...

archive.org

EXCERPT “Almost all the films you've ever seen of the Holocaust were staged. Using Allied propaganda as a rough script, directors from Hollywood were shipped to Germany and Poland to direct propaganda films for post-war use. One of the most notable of these was Billy Wilder, director of meny very well known films, such as "Some Like It Hot" with Marilyn Monroe."


(3). HOLOCAUST DEPROGRAMMING COURSE”

https://fullcontrol.se/holocaust-deprogramming-course.html

“BILLY WILDER AND BUCHENWALD”

EXCERPT "Billy Wilder was born in 1906 in Poland to a Jewish family. After high school he went to Berlin as a journalist, then screenwriter; in 1933 he moved on to Hollywood where he became highly successful. In 1945, he directed a propaganda film Death Mills (Die Todesmühlen in German), for the Psychological Warfare Dept. of the US Department of War. Intended to be shown first to German audiences, its purpose was to indoctrinate them to believe that the wildest “atrocities” imaginable had been committed by the National Socialist regime and the SS.

Jewish director Billy Wilder steps into view

Within a week of the capture of Buchenwald, the famous Hollywood director Billy Wilder was in the camp making a film of propaganda lies that still circulate to this day. An inadvertent shot of Wilder on the set at Buchenwald is shown above. The film, complete with props, claimed that the Nazis made soap from the fat of (Jewish only of course) prisoners, made lampshades from the skin of prisoners, and shrunk the heads of prisoners like in the Amazon. Even the Holohoax establishment now admits these were all lies." CONTINUED



(4). "Israel exploits Holocaust to mask its 'genocide' in Gaza, survivor says"

"Holocaust survivor Stephen Kapos has condemned Israel's Gaza atrocities, drawing parallels to the Holocaust, urging global awareness and response."

https://www.trtworld.com/middle-east/israel-exploits-holocaust-to-mask-its-genocide-in-gaza-survivor-says-17992583

EXCERPT "Israel is manipulating the memory of the Holocaust as a cover to carry out the same atrocities in Gaza, according to a Holocaust survivor.

Stephen Kapos, an 87-year-old Holocaust survivor from Budapest, believes there is no doubt that Israel is committing a “genocide” in Gaza.

“I am here because I protest against the use of the memory of the Holocaust as a cover and as a justification for perpetrating the same in Gaza as a genocide against the Palestinian people,” Kapos, who lost most of his family in the Holocaust, told Anadolu news agency at a recent pro-Palestine rally in London." CONTINUED

 

[Grau]

We know the death toll for the Holodomor ranges from 3.5 million to 7 million. You seem to be limiting Stalin’s killing to this event alone.

However, we know Stalin had a massive prison network (Gulag) that operated from the early 1930s until after his death in 1953. These prison camps held millions of people, many of whom died or were executed during their imprisonment. It’s likely several million more dead in these camps.

We also know summary executions were common during the 1930s in the USSR. The of these its hard to estimate a number, but add to total.

Holodomor Death Count​

The total death toll from the Holodomor, a man-made famine that occurred in Ukraine from 1932 to 1933, is estimated to range from around 3.5 million to 7 million people. Some estimates go as high as 10 million deaths. The precise number of victims is debated among scholars, with most estimates ranging from 3.5 million to 7 million.234+3
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Holodomor - Wikipedia

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Inmates filled the Gulag in three major waves: in 1929–32, the years of the collectivization of Soviet agriculture; in 1936–38, at the height of Stalin’s purges; and in the years immediately following World War II. Solzhenitsyn claimed that between 1928 and 1953 “some forty to fifty million people served long sentences in the Archipelago.” Figures supposedly compiled by the Gulag administration itself (and released by Soviet historians in 1989) show that a total of 10 million people were sent to the camps in the period from 1934 to 1947. The true figures remain unknown.

At its height the Gulag consisted of many hundreds of camps, with the average camp holding 2,000–10,000 prisoners. Most of these camps were “corrective labour colonies” in which prisoners felled timber, laboured on general construction projects (such as the building of canals and railroads), or worked in mines. Most prisoners laboured under the threat of starvation or execution if they refused. It is estimated that the combination of very long working hours, harsh climatic and other working conditions, inadequate food, and summary executions killed tens of thousands of prisoners each year. Western scholarly estimates of the total number of deaths in the Gulag in the period from 1918 to 1956 ranged from 1.2 to 1.7 million.
Gulag | Definition, History, Prison, & Facts | Britannica

Among the quotes attributed to Stalin is:

"One death is a tragedy but 1 million deaths is just a statistic."

It is only because the victors write the history that the planet is littered with grisly Holocaust theme parks and the name "Hitler" is as overused as Genrikh Yagoda is obscure:


"Stalin's Jews"

"We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish"
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

EXCERPT "And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people.

In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin. They too, of course, were gradually eliminated in the next purges.

Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. We'll mention just one more: Leonid Reichman, head of the NKVD's special department and the organization's chief interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist."CONTINUED

 

[Grau]

"NOW, IT'S 12 MILLION....WHY NOT AN EVEN 100 MILLION?"

And those are largely bullshit numbers.

The only way you get to 20 million with Stalin is if you throw in the famines and wars. (the Holodomor, the Russian Civil War, the Russo-Polish War, World War II.) But the real number from all those events is probably closer to 7 million.

Same thing with Mao. The only way you get to the truly impressive numbers is if you throw in the famines and droughts.

The most significant event was the Great Leap Forward, which resulted in anywhere from 15 to 45 million deaths, primarily due to famine.

The next largest event was the Cultural Revolution, which involved a number of around 1 million. That's actually more of a legitimate complaint, as that was largely institigated by the government.

Nothing compared to Hitler, who planned and executed the deaths of 12 million people.

There are perhaps more lies that have been told about Hitler than any other figure in history.

Anyone honest and objective enough to research and report the simple, unembellished truth about the man is immediately reviled as a "Hitler lover" or worse by people who simply regurgitate whatever impossible absurdities have been poured into their head most recently.

The more demonic the accusation, the more popular it becomes and the truth be damned.

There simply was no written order from Hitler for the destruction of Germany's Jews.

I've read the Wannsee minutes and other salient documents in the original German and nowhere was there a genocidal Final Solution.

Yes, there were orders for deportation but not for mass murder anywhere near the scale claimed by the profit hungry and fraudulent Holocaust Industry.


“To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”


- Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190

 

[JoeB131]

We know the death toll for the Holodomor ranges from 3.5 million to 7 million. You seem to be limiting Stalin’s killing to this event alone.

I've seen estimates as low as 2.5 million. The problem with "famine" as a cause of death is that the people who die during it are more likely to be the weakest people who would have died anyway.

This, however, was more incompetence than malice, as can be said of the Great Leap Forward. That makes it somewhat less venal than the Holocaust, which was quite deliberate.

However, we know Stalin had a massive prison network (Gulag) that operated from the early 1930s until after his death in 1953. These prison camps held millions of people, many of whom died or were executed during their imprisonment. It’s likely several million more dead in these camps.

What I'm not seeing is an exact number.

So here are the "official" records released during "De-Stalinization". Keep in mind, this was during a period where his successors were trying to pour shit on the man's memory.

The Soviet archives revealed records of:

• 799,455 executions (1921-1953).
  
  
• 1.5 to 1.7 million deaths in the Gulag.
  
  
• 390,000 deaths during dekulakization forced resettlement.
  
  • Up to 400,000 deaths of persons deported during the 1940s.

So about 3 Million deaths from deliberate action and 5 million from various famines. That still doesn't get you to 8 digits. Or near Hitler's record for the Holocaust.

 

[Grau]

"NOW, IT'S 12 MILLION....WHY NOT AN EVEN 100 MILLION?"

And those are largely bullshit numbers.

The only way you get to 20 million with Stalin is if you throw in the famines and wars. (the Holodomor, the Russian Civil War, the Russo-Polish War, World War II.) But the real number from all those events is probably closer to 7 million.

Same thing with Mao. The only way you get to the truly impressive numbers is if you throw in the famines and droughts.

The most significant event was the Great Leap Forward, which resulted in anywhere from 15 to 45 million deaths, primarily due to famine.

The next largest event was the Cultural Revolution, which involved a number of around 1 million. That's actually more of a legitimate complaint, as that was largely institigated by the government.

Nothing compared to Hitler, who planned and executed the deaths of 12 million people.

There are perhaps more lies that have been told about Hitler than any other figure in history.

Anyone honest and objective enough to research and report the simple, unembellished truth about the man is immediately reviled as a "Hitler lover" or worse by people who simply regurgitate whatever impossible absurdities have been poured into their head most recently by the fraudulent Holocaust Industry (1), (2).

Among one of the few honest and objective observations about Hitler was made by one of our more respected former presidents:

“You can easily understand how that within a few years Hitler will emerge from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of the most significant figures who ever lived,” John F. Kennedy 1945 (*)

The more demonic the accusation, the more popular it becomes among the hate filled and brainwashed masses and the truth be damned.

Finally, there have been written orders for mass murder from Eisenhower, Churchill, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot but no respected historian believes that Hitler ordered the destruction of Europe's Jews:

“To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

- Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190







(*). Auction of Rare Diary Highlights What John F. Kennedy Really Thought About Hitler



(1). "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


(2) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"

Holocaust Claims Conference fraud likely ‘much higher’ than $57 million

For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.

www.jpost.com

EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.

Writing to the Claims Conference’s board last week, recently terminated ombudsman Shmuel Hollander asserted that, while reports had said organizational insiders had siphoned off $57 million in German taxpayer funds meant for survivors, “the final sum is in all probability much higher.” CONTINUED

 

[gipper]

I've seen estimates as low as 2.5 million. The problem with "famine" as a cause of death is that the people who die during it are more likely to be the weakest people who would have died anyway.

This, however, was more incompetence than malice, as can be said of the Great Leap Forward. That makes it somewhat less venal than the Holocaust, which was quite deliberate.


What I'm not seeing is an exact number.

So here are the "official" records released during "De-Stalinization". Keep in mind, this was during a period where his successors were trying to pour shit on the man's memory.

The Soviet archives revealed records of:

• 799,455 executions (1921-1953).
  
  
• 1.5 to 1.7 million deaths in the Gulag.
  
  
• 390,000 deaths during dekulakization forced resettlement.
  • Up to 400,000 deaths of persons deported during the 1940s.

So about 3 Million deaths from deliberate action and 5 million from various famines. That still doesn't get you to 8 digits. Or near Hitler's record for the Holocaust.

Thank you for confirming my post.

However, you discount the Holodomor as it were no one’s fault. This is most absurd. Anyone who has bothered the study the event knows Stalin and his henchmen directed the famine, with the specific goal of killing independent farmers. It was a MAN-MADE famine.

Stalin’s gulags operated for decades. Murdering untold numbers of people.

Trying to paint Stalin and Mao as less murderous than Hitler is dumb. All three were mass murders.

 

[JoeB131]

There are perhaps more lies that have been told about Hitler than any other figure in history.

No, Hitler was human garbage. He caused a war that ruined Germany and killed 70 million people in the process.

“You can easily understand how that within a few years Hitler will emerge from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of the most significant figures who ever lived,” John F. Kennedy 1945 (*)

You should actually post the whole quote instead of taking it out of context.

"After visiting these two places, you can easily understand how that within a few years Hitler will emerge from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of the most significant figures who ever lived. He had boundless ambition for his country which rendered him a menace to the peace of the world, but he had a mystery about him in the way he lived and in the manner of his death that will live and grow after him. He had in him the stuff of which legends are made."

Finally, there have been written orders for mass murder from Eisenhower, Churchill, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot but no respected historian believes that Hitler ordered the destruction of Europe's Jews:

Learn some history.

Wannsee Conference - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Wannsee Conference (German: Wannseekonferenz, German pronunciation: [ˈvanzeːkɔnfeˌʁɛnt͡s] was a meeting of senior government officials of Nazi Germany and Schutzstaffel (SS) leaders, held in the Berlin suburb of Wannsee on 20 January 1942. The purpose of the conference, called by the director of the Reich Security Main Office SS-Obergruppenführer Reinhard Heydrich, was to ensure the co-operation of administrative leaders of various government departments in the implementation of the Final Solution to the Jewish Question, whereby most of the Jews of German-occupied Europe would be deported to occupied Poland and murdered. Conference participants included representatives from several government ministries, including state secretaries from the Foreign Office, the justice, interior, and state ministries, and representatives from the SS. In the course of the meeting, Heydrich outlined how European Jews would be rounded up and sent to extermination camps in the General Government (the occupied part of Poland), where they would be killed.

 

[JoeB131]

Thank you for confirming my post.

Except I didn't. You repeated a lot of Bircher garbage.

However, you discount the Holodomor as it were no one’s fault. This is most absurd. Anyone who has bothered the study the event knows Stalin and his henchmen directed the famine, with the specific goal of killing independent farmers. It was a MAN-MADE famine.

No, it was a fuck up in that they thought that collectivization would make farming more efficient. Same with the Great Leap Forward, where local officials reported exaggerated grain yeilds.

Stalin and Mao thought they were producing more grain than they were, and sold it to other countries to gain capital and political influence.

Stalin’s gulags operated for decades. Murdering untold numbers of people.

Yes, they did, but the number of people they killed were probably no more than 2 million. Which is bad, but nowhere as bad as what Hitler did.

Trying to paint Stalin and Mao as less murderous than Hitler is dumb. All three were mass murders.

Except only one of them had mass murder as a goal.

Mao and Stalin really thought that the collectivization of agriculture would be a good thing. They were wrong, of course, nobody works for the betterment of others, which is the fatal flaw of communism. It doesn't understand human nature.

The fatal flaw of capitalism is that it indulges the worst parts of human nature.

 

[gipper]

Except I didn't. You repeated a lot of Bircher garbage.



No, it was a fuck up in that they thought that collectivization would make farming more efficient. Same with the Great Leap Forward, where local officials reported exaggerated grain yeilds.

Stalin and Mao thought they were producing more grain than they were, and sold it to other countries to gain capital and political influence.



Yes, they did, but the number of people they killed were probably no more than 2 million. Which is bad, but nowhere as bad as what Hitler did.



Except only one of them had mass murder as a goal.

Mao and Stalin really thought that the collectivization of agriculture would be a good thing. They were wrong, of course, nobody works for the betterment of others, which is the fatal flaw of communism. It doesn't understand human nature.

The fatal flaw of capitalism is that it indulges the worst parts of human nature.

You did. We generally agree on the death toll committed by Stalin.

What your claiming is what Hitler did is far worse than what Stalin and Mao did. By any objective analysis, this claim is dumb and ridiculous. It reflects a lack of knowledge and a political bias.

 

[JoeB131]

You did. We generally agree on the death toll committed by Stalin.

Nowhere near.

What your claiming is what Hitler did is far worse than what Stalin and Mao did. By any objective analysis, this claim is dumb and ridiculous. It reflects a lack of knowledge and a political bias.

No, it shows there's a difference between intentionally murdering and gassing 12 million people and letting 5 million starve because of bad agricultural policy aggravated by natural disaster.

 

[gipper]

Nowhere near.



No, it shows there's a difference between intentionally murdering and gassing 12 million people and letting 5 million starve because of bad agricultural policy aggravated by natural disaster.

You’re not serious. You cite the lowest numbers for Stalin, while citing the highest figures for Hitler. Most disingenuous.