A Short Introduction to the Study of Holocaust Revisionism

[JoeB131]

You’re not serious. You cite the lowest numbers for Stalin, while citing the highest figures for Hitler. Most disingenuous.

Because there's no real argument about what Hitler's numbers were. 12 million is the generally accepted figure. (Six million Jews, Six million other people).

There's a LOT of argument about Stalin's numbers, and how much personal culpability he had.

So let's say 2 million deliberate elimination of enemies and 5 million due to famines and other economic incompetence. Still bad.

Nowhere near as bad as Hitler.

 

[gipper]

Because there's no real argument about what Hitler's numbers were. 12 million is the generally accepted figure. (Six million Jews, Six million other people).

There's a LOT of argument about Stalin's numbers, and how much personal culpability he had.

So let's say 2 million deliberate elimination of enemies and 5 million due to famines and other economic incompetence. Still bad.

Nowhere near as bad as Hitler.

You’re comparing apples to oranges. Even AI disputes your opinion.

Hitler's Victims​

The claim that Hitler killed 12 million people is an overestimation. According to Snyder, Hitler was responsible for between 11 million and 12 million noncombatant deaths. However, this number includes both combatant and noncombatant deaths, and it's debated whether all combatant deaths should be attributed to Hitler. Without Hitler, there wouldn't have been a European war, but attributing all combatant deaths to him is complex and not universally accepted.

 

[yeh]

And those are largely bullshit numbers.

So is the 6 million.

 

[yeh]

The perpetrators attempted to avoid creating explicit evidence and they also tried to destroy the documentary and material evidence of their crimes before the German defeat.<a href="Evidence and documentation for the Holocaust - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a><a href="Evidence and documentation for the Holocaust - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>8<span>]</span></a> Nevertheless, much of the evidence was preserved and collected by Allied investigators during and after the war, and the overwhelming evidence of the crimes ultimately made such erasure attempts futile. Collectively, the evidence refutes the arguments of Holocaust deniers that the Holocaust did not occur as described in historical scholarship

Evidence and documentation for the Holocaust - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

First off, "wikipedia."

Second, you did not produce any document that the Germans wished to eliminate jews.

 

[JoeB131]

You’re comparing apples to oranges. Even AI disputes your opinion.

Well, no, thta is what you guys are doing.

You want to hold Stalin and Mao to account for natural disasters and economic mismanagement to get them to a higher death toll.

MEANWHILE, Hitler is only held to account for the 12 million people killed as part of the Holocaust.

I will completely give you the gulags and the Cultural Revolution as events for which Stalin and Mao should be held to account.

And their numbers get nowhere near Hitler.

 

[gipper]

Well, no, thta is what you guys are doing.

You want to hold Stalin and Mao to account for natural disasters and economic mismanagement to get them to a higher death toll.

MEANWHILE, Hitler is only held to account for the 12 million people killed as part of the Holocaust.

I will completely give you the gulags and the Cultural Revolution as events for which Stalin and Mao should be held to account.

And their numbers get nowhere near Hitler.

I haven’t studied what Mao did, but I have studied Stalin extensively. And while I agree his depiction in the west as a heartless tyrant may be overblown, nevertheless he was a mass murdering dictator.

He was directly involved in the Holodomor. He also set up the gulag system that he knew was murdering thousands. Summary executions were commonplace under his rule.

You are including in Hitler’s death toll civilian and military deaths during WWII, but not for Stalin. If you were honest you’d have to include Soviet death toll during WWII, which easily makes Stalin far more murderous than Hitler.