A Short Introduction to the Study of Holocaust Revisionism

You’re not serious. You cite the lowest numbers for Stalin, while citing the highest figures for Hitler. Most disingenuous.

Because there's no real argument about what Hitler's numbers were. 12 million is the generally accepted figure. (Six million Jews, Six million other people).

There's a LOT of argument about Stalin's numbers, and how much personal culpability he had.

So let's say 2 million deliberate elimination of enemies and 5 million due to famines and other economic incompetence. Still bad.

Nowhere near as bad as Hitler.
 
Because there's no real argument about what Hitler's numbers were. 12 million is the generally accepted figure. (Six million Jews, Six million other people).

There's a LOT of argument about Stalin's numbers, and how much personal culpability he had.

So let's say 2 million deliberate elimination of enemies and 5 million due to famines and other economic incompetence. Still bad.

Nowhere near as bad as Hitler.
You’re comparing apples to oranges. Even AI disputes your opinion.

Hitler's Victims

The claim that Hitler killed 12 million people is an overestimation. According to Snyder, Hitler was responsible for between 11 million and 12 million noncombatant deaths. However, this number includes both combatant and noncombatant deaths, and it's debated whether all combatant deaths should be attributed to Hitler. Without Hitler, there wouldn't have been a European war, but attributing all combatant deaths to him is complex and not universally accepted.
 
The perpetrators attempted to avoid creating explicit evidence and they also tried to destroy the documentary and material evidence of their crimes before the German defeat.<a href="Evidence and documentation for the Holocaust - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a><a href="Evidence and documentation for the Holocaust - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>8<span>]</span></a> Nevertheless, much of the evidence was preserved and collected by Allied investigators during and after the war, and the overwhelming evidence of the crimes ultimately made such erasure attempts futile. Collectively, the evidence refutes the arguments of Holocaust deniers that the Holocaust did not occur as described in historical scholarship

First off, "wikipedia." :laughing0301:

Second, you did not produce any document that the Germans wished to eliminate jews.
 
You’re comparing apples to oranges. Even AI disputes your opinion.

Well, no, thta is what you guys are doing.

You want to hold Stalin and Mao to account for natural disasters and economic mismanagement to get them to a higher death toll.

MEANWHILE, Hitler is only held to account for the 12 million people killed as part of the Holocaust.

I will completely give you the gulags and the Cultural Revolution as events for which Stalin and Mao should be held to account.

And their numbers get nowhere near Hitler.
 
Well, no, thta is what you guys are doing.

You want to hold Stalin and Mao to account for natural disasters and economic mismanagement to get them to a higher death toll.

MEANWHILE, Hitler is only held to account for the 12 million people killed as part of the Holocaust.

I will completely give you the gulags and the Cultural Revolution as events for which Stalin and Mao should be held to account.

And their numbers get nowhere near Hitler.
I haven’t studied what Mao did, but I have studied Stalin extensively. And while I agree his depiction in the west as a heartless tyrant may be overblown, nevertheless he was a mass murdering dictator.

He was directly involved in the Holodomor. He also set up the gulag system that he knew was murdering thousands. Summary executions were commonplace under his rule.

You are including in Hitler’s death toll civilian and military deaths during WWII, but not for Stalin. If you were honest you’d have to include Soviet death toll during WWII, which easily makes Stalin far more murderous than Hitler.
 
You are including in Hitler’s death toll civilian and military deaths during WWII, but not for Stalin. If you were honest you’d have to include Soviet death toll during WWII, which easily makes Stalin far more murderous than Hitler.

Well, actually, no. When counting Hitler, I am only counting those killed in the Holocaust.

But if I were to count the war dead, then frankly, that falls completely on Hitler.... he started the war. Stalin, at worst, made some poor decisions like the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact, which he only had to make because the West was so feckless in dealing with Hitler.
 
"Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past."
- George Orwell


Well, actually, no. When counting Hitler, I am only counting those killed in the Holocaust.

But if I were to count the war dead, then frankly, that falls completely on Hitler.... he started the war. Stalin, at worst, made some poor decisions like the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact, which he only had to make because the West was so feckless in dealing with Hitler.

There are perhaps no other topic about which more people have been effectively deceived than events leading up to WW 2, the war itself and subsequent Allied War Crimes.

I lived, worked and studied in Germany over 50 years ago where I worked, lived with and came to know dozens of Holocaust survivors, German WW 2 Veterans, German WW 2 survivors as well as Allied WW 2 Veterans of various nationalities.

Additionally, since I studied at a German university and was fluent in the language and its various dialects, I studied numerous salient documents relating to WW 2 and the Holocaust in the original German and have since read numerous deliberate mistranslations of those same documents, Hitler's speech, quotes etc.

It is a regrettable reality that most Americans only know WW 2 "history" based on what Hollywood propaganda movies and politically correct books have led them to believe.

To be clear, I do not support any form of totalitarianism, genocide or mass killings, past or present.

Therefore, I must ask, did you know that National Socialist Germany appealed to the League of Nations about 8 times to do something about the mass murder of ethnic Germans in Poland before he invaded about half of Poland? (1)

Did you know that Britain's "Clivden Set" and other British supporters of Hitler and his National Socialists (there were many) arranged for R. Hess to meet with Churchill to discuss Hitler's offer to withdraw from Western Europe for a "Well Wishing Neutrality" with the West to fight ever expanding Communism? (2)

Because Churchill's Intelligence Services effectively deceived Americans into thinking that Germany was going to invade the U.S., he and Roosevelt were the driving force behind the West's war on Germany. Churchill's motive was, as always, expanding the British Empire.


“Winston Churchill: "We will force this war upon Hitler, if he wants it or not." - Winston Churchill (1936 broadcast)”


A German WW 2 Veteran with whom I worked as a stone mason served on the Eastern front and confirmed what I have since learned about Stalin's little known "M. - Day". (3)

One of the reasons for Germany's early military successes on the Eastern Front is because Stalins forces were in offensive positions in preparation for M. - Day; not defensive positions as the hapless victims portrayed by Allied propagandists.

Finally, what Norman Finkelstein condemns as the fraudulent multi $ Billion "Holocaust Industry" (4), (5) in complicity with Hollywood propagandists has even more effectively deceived countless gullible individuals and succeeded in criminalizing open and honest discussion of its "product" in about 13 democracies.

There's a good reason that you may be unaware that 150,000 full and partially Jewish individuals fought in Hitler's military with about 25 Jews being promoted to the rank of General, Admiral etc. (6).

It is another heavily repressed fact that other full and partially Jewish individuals also self high ranking positions in Germany's National Socialist government. (7)


As early as 1933, militant Jews, Jewish Bolsheviks and Zionist extremists openly declared there hostility toward Germany and even serve as "Trojan horses":


"We are not denying and are not afraid to confess that this war is our war and that it is waged for the liberation of Jewry... Stronger than all fronts together is our front, that of Jewry. We are not only giving this war our financial support on which the entire war production is based, we are not only providing our full propaganda power which is the moral energy that keeps this war going. The guarantee of victory is predominantly based on weakening the enemy forces, on destroying them in their own country, within the resistance. And we are the Trojan horses in the enemy's fortress. Thousands of Jews living in Europe constitute the principal factor in the destruction of our enemy. There, our front is a fact and the most valuable aid for victory."

- Chaim Weizmann, President of the World Jewish Congress, Head of the Jewish Agency and later President of Israel, in a Speech on December 3, 1942, in New York.


I do not doubt that countless innocent Jews were unjustly tormented, persecuted and executed as Germany became more desperate in the later years of the war.

Their monumental suffering has is mocked not by the vast majority of the world that sees through the grotesque exploitation of Holocaust embellishments (8) but by Israel's current gang of genocidal Zionist miscreants so furiously committed to the systematic extermination of Palestine's native Cristian and Muslim residents.

Thanks,




(1). "What the World Rejected: Hitler’s Peace Offers 1933–1940"

EXCERPT " Written by Germany’s foremost diplomatic historian of the early twentieth century, this work maps out all the numerous times that Adolf Hitler made unconditional offers of peace to all the nations of Europe—and how the major anti-German belligerents, France and Britain, turned down these offers each and every time.

The author lists all of Hitler’s offers in detail, complete with quotes, starting with his first offer of May 17, 1933, his second offer of December 18, 1933, his third offer of May 21, 1935, his fourth offer of March 31, 1936, his fifth offer of September 30, 1938, his sixth offer of December 6, 1938, his seventh offer of late 1939 to Poland to settle the Danzig Corridor issue peacefully, and finally, his offer of world peace on October 6, 1939, just over a month after Britain and France had declared war on Germany for invading Poland on September 1 (but not on the Soviet Union, which also invaded Poland on September 17).

- The full text of Hitler’s “Appeal for Peace and Sanity” speech, made before the Reichstag on July 19, 1940, following the fall of France. In that speech, Hitler once again offered unconditional peace to Britain.

This speech was printed in English and dropped by the tens of thousands from German aircraft over Britain. Although nearly half the British cabinet wanted to take up his offer, Churchill’s warmongering put an end to this final offer of peace;"CONTINUED


(2). "Nazis ‘offered to leave western Europe in exchange for free hand to attack USSR"
http://www.historyextra.com/news/se...estern-europe-exchange-free-hand-attack-ussr’

EXCERPT ""A new book claims to have solved the riddle of the flight to Britain in 1941 of Rudolph Hess, Adolf Hitler’s deputy. Historian Peter Padfield has uncovered evidence he says shows Hess, the deputy Fuhrer, brought with him from Hitler a detailed peace treaty, under which the Nazis would withdraw from western Europe in exchange for British neutrality over the imminent attack on Russia. The episode remains, more than 70 years on, shrouded in mystery."CONTINUED


(3). "Exposing Stalin’s Plan to Conquer Europe:…"

EXCERPT "In Icebreaker, Suvorov details the deployment of Soviet forces in June 1941, describing just how Stalin amassed vast numbers of troops and stores of weapons along the European frontier, not to defend the Soviet homeland but in preparation for a westward attack and decisive battles on enemy territory.

Thus, when German forces struck, the bulk of Red ground and air forces were concentrated along the Soviet western borders facing contiguous European countries, especially the German Reich and Romania, in final readiness for an assault on Europe.

In his second book on the origins of the war, “M Day” (for “Mobilization Day”), Suvorov details how, between late 1939 and the summer of 1941, Stalin methodically and systematically built up the best armed, most powerful military force in the world — actually the world’s first superpower — for his planned conquest of Europe. Suvorov explains how Stalin’s drastic conversion of the country’s economy for war actually made war inevitable."CONTINUED


(4). "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


(5). "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"


EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.

Writing to the Claims Conference’s board last week, recently terminated ombudsman Shmuel Hollander asserted that, while reports had said organizational insiders had siphoned off $57 million in German taxpayer funds meant for survivors, “the final sum is in all probability much higher.” CONTINUED


(6). "Hitler's Jewish Soldiers"

EXCERPT "Contrary to conventional views, Rigg reveals that a startlingly large number of German military men were classified by the Nazis as Jews or "partial-Jews" (Mischlinge), in the wake of racial laws first enacted in the mid-1930s. Rigg demonstrates that the actual number was much higher than previously thought-perhaps as many as 150,000 men, including decorated veterans and high-ranking officers, even generals and admirals."CONTINUED


(7). “List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

EXCERPT “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ CONTINUED


(8). ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”

EXCERPT “Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth." CONTINUED
 
Guy, this is too much crazy to deal with, but I'll throw a shot at some of it.

Therefore, I must ask, did you know that National Socialist Germany appealed to the League of Nations about 8 times to do something about the mass murder of ethnic Germans in Poland before he invaded about half of Poland? (1)

Yes. The Nazis LIED. That's what they did! Dr. Goebbels said, "If you repeat the big lie often enough, it becomes the truth."

Did you know that Britain's "Clivden Set" and other British supporters of Hitler and his National Socialists (there were many) arranged for R. Hess to meet with Churchill to discuss Hitler's offer to withdraw from Western Europe for a "Well Wishing Neutrality" with the West to fight ever expanding Communism? (2)

Actually, Hess was mentally ill if he thought that would work. The only reason he was still important in the Nazi regime was that he was Hitler's Butt Buddy in prison. Even the other Nazis had contempt for him.

Because Churchill's Intelligence Services effectively deceived Americans into thinking that Germany was going to invade the U.S., he and Roosevelt were the driving force behind the West's war on Germany. Churchill's motive was, as always, expanding the British Empire.

Um, you are a tad confused. Hitler declared war on the US after Pearl Harbor. They didn't have to. Their treaty with the Japanese didn't require them to do that if they launched an attack.

A German WW 2 Veteran with whom I worked as a stone mason served on the Eastern front and confirmed what I have since learned about Stalin's little known "M. - Day". (3)

One of the reasons for Germany's early military successes on the Eastern Front is because Stalins forces were in offensive positions in preparation for M. - Day; not defensive positions as the hapless victims portrayed by Allied propagandists.

Um, deploying your troops on the border of a nation that had invaded just about everyone else at that point would have been prudent strategy. Sadly, they were ill-prepared and badly led.

Finally, what Norman Finkelstein condemns as the fraudulent multi $ Billion "Holocaust Industry" (4), (5) in complicity with Hollywood propagandists has even more effectively deceived countless gullible individuals and succeeded in criminalizing open and honest discussion of its "product" in about 13 democracies.

What honest discussion? 12 million people were systematically exterminated. This isn't in dispute. My dad didn't need Hollywood to tell him the Holocaust was bad, he was with the troops that liberated Nordhausen.

There's a good reason that you may be unaware that 150,000 full and partially Jewish individuals fought in Hitler's military with about 25 Jews being promoted to the rank of General, Admiral etc. (6).

Because it doesn't matter. What does that even mean? The Nazis did have racial purity laws that required a limited amount of Jewish ancestry. (No more than two of your grandparents could be Jews.) And to enforce it, they had every German do geneological trees.
 
Guy, this is too much crazy to deal with, but I'll throw a shot at some of it.



Yes. The Nazis LIED. That's what they did! Dr. Goebbels said, "If you repeat the big lie often enough, it becomes the truth."



Actually, Hess was mentally ill if he thought that would work. The only reason he was still important in the Nazi regime was that he was Hitler's Butt Buddy in prison. Even the other Nazis had contempt for him.



Um, you are a tad confused. Hitler declared war on the US after Pearl Harbor. They didn't have to. Their treaty with the Japanese didn't require them to do that if they launched an attack.



Um, deploying your troops on the border of a nation that had invaded just about everyone else at that point would have been prudent strategy. Sadly, they were ill-prepared and badly led.



What honest discussion? 12 million people were systematically exterminated. This isn't in dispute. My dad didn't need Hollywood to tell him the Holocaust was bad, he was with the troops that liberated Nordhausen.



Because it doesn't matter. What does that even mean? The Nazis did have racial purity laws that required a limited amount of Jewish ancestry. (No more than two of your grandparents could be Jews.) And to enforce it, they had every German do geneological trees.


Truth is frequently stranger than fiction.

Of course the Holocaust was bad but I still agree with George Orwell (1) and trust salient documents, dozens of eyewitnesses and accurate translations over Hollywood and Holocaust Industry fabrications.

For decades, millions fell for the "human Skin lampshade" hoax , shrunken head hoax, "human fat soap" hoax etc.

There's nothing unreasonable about what I've seen, heard, read, written and supported to anyone familiar with actual German documents, speeches etc and the necessities of the time.



(1). "Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past."

George Orwell
 
ruth is frequently stranger than fiction.

Of course the Holocaust was bad but I still agree with George Orwell (1) and trust salient documents, dozens of eyewitnesses and accurate translations over Hollywood and Holocaust Industry fabrications.

For decades, millions fell for the "human Skin lampshade" hoax , shrunken head hoax, "human fat soap" hoax etc.

There's nothing unreasonable about what I've seen, heard, read, written and supported to anyone familiar with actual German documents, speeches etc and the necessities of the time.
I prefer Santayana to Orwell - Those who forget history are often doomed to repeat it.


Except the lampshade thing wasn't a hoax. It actually happened. (True, it only happened to one guy, but that doesn't make it better. )

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lampshades_made_from_human_skin

The Soap thing has been a little harder to nail down...


Never heard about the Shrunken heads.

But to the point, does the number of people who were killed really become less severe because they weren't turned into lampshades or soap?

Now, I will admit that because of Jewish influences in Hollywood, the Holocaust gets more treatment than Japanese atrocities in China, the Killing Fields of Cambodia, the Armenian Genocide, etc.

That's a failure to acknowledge those other tragedies. I got into a long thread with some Mormon Douchenoodle on another thread who insisted up and down that the Rape of Nanjing wasn't that bad because white people hiding in their embassies said so. .
 
The Nuremberg Trials were illegal and criticized by many people. Many Germans were prosecuted ex-post facto--what they did at the time was not illegal under any law. There were many other legal violations. If any of you want to discuss, then let me know.
The NAZIs were destroyed Jews flourish you lost
 
Your hero Trump called Nazis "Very Fine People"

Aren't you paying attention?

He was referring to AMERICAN Nazis, most of who are undercover moles for law enforcement. Not the Germans.
 
He was referring to AMERICAN Nazis, most of who are undercover moles for law enforcement. Not the Germans.

Oh, that makes it okay, then?

Except he's praised Hitler, too.


And kept a copy of Hitler's speeches on his nightstand.

 
15th post
The Nuremberg Trials were illegal and criticized by many people. Many Germans were prosecuted ex-post facto--what they did at the time was not illegal under any law. There were many other legal violations. If any of you want to discuss, then let me know.

I prefer Santayana to Orwell - Those who forget history are often doomed to repeat it.


Except the lampshade thing wasn't a hoax. It actually happened. (True, it only happened to one guy, but that doesn't make it better. )

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lampshades_made_from_human_skin

The Soap thing has been a little harder to nail down...


Never heard about the Shrunken heads.

But to the point, does the number of people who were killed really become less severe because they weren't turned into lampshades or soap?

Now, I will admit that because of Jewish influences in Hollywood, the Holocaust gets more treatment than Japanese atrocities in China, the Killing Fields of Cambodia, the Armenian Genocide, etc.

That's a failure to acknowledge those other tragedies. I got into a long thread with some Mormon Douchenoodle on another thread who insisted up and down that the Rape of Nanjing wasn't that bad because white people hiding in their embassies said so. .


Mark Twain once said:

"It's easier to fool people than it is to convince them that they have been fooled."
Therefore, I will only add that Mr. Butz cited in the O.P. is clearly more qualified to know the facts than victims of the deceptive and fraudulent Holocaust Industry (1), (2). Allied propagandists and Hollywood movie makers who were on the scene fabricating and manipulating evidence before your father showed up.
The photograph below shows the fake shrunken heads, goatskin lampshade, fake human fat soap and other hoaxes shown to Allied soldiers for propaganda and brainwashing purposes:


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Another popular hoax were the various fake death chambers: electricity, steam, gas etc. none of which have been found.
Delousing chambers using gas for old clothes, blankets etc were used by every country in the fight against typhus.

"Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death"
Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death

EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED

There are literally tens of thousands of fraudulent stories that are still parroted by Hollywood and Western MSM:

“Dozens & Dozens of the Most Outrageous Tales of the Holocaust”


EXCERPTS:
• Moshe Peer's astounding Holy Shoah tale - Gassed six times by the Nazis and survived!! - Claims people were murdered in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen

• William Lowenberg's astounding Holocaust tale - Had a magic thirst-quenching pebble, did not drink water, survived on his saliva for 3 years

• Yankel Wiernik's Holotale - Babies torn in half, woman leaps 10 ft barbed-wire fence, guards nail inmates' ears to walls, jews roasted on giant outdoor hibachis

• Testimony from the Eichmann Trial by Leon Wells - Dug up and burned bodies, used bone-grinding machine, ate lunch on top of corpses

• Irene Zisblatt's incredible Holocaust tale- Ate and retrieved diamonds from feces, had 2 post-sterilization children, weighed 40 lbs when liberated

• Rivka Yosselevska's absurd Holocaust fable - Escaped biting jew corpses, witnessed geysers of blood” CONTINUED


In addition to the fact that intercepted German radio transmissions report nothing about homicidal gas chambers, a genocidal agenda etc (3), no written order for the destruction of Europe's Jews from Hitler has ever been found.


“To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

- Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190


Finally, why is the standard Holocaust story so fragile that open and honest discussion of only it is illegal in about 13 countries?

And...

Why is the Holocaust and only the Holocaust such a blatant and unrivaled "Cash Cow" for which hundreds of $Billions in "reparations" are required from countless countries, entities, industries and individuals who had nothing to do with the tragedy?

After all, if "It's not about the money.", why, then is no amount of money enough?

Thanks,



(1) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


(2) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"

EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.

Writing to the Claims Conference’s board last week, recently terminated ombudsman Shmuel Hollander asserted that, while reports had said organizational insiders had siphoned off $57 million in German taxpayer funds meant for survivors, “the final sum is in all probability much higher.” CONTINUED



(3). "The Enemy Is Listening!"
https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/8/1/4028

EXCERPT "Oddly, only a very few Holocaust historians were interested in the information on the concentration camps. The reason for this astonishing lack of interest is presumably due to the following remark by author Hinsley:

The messages from Auschwitz, the largest camp, with 20,000 inmates,[4] mention disease as the chief cause of death, but also include references to executions by hanging and shooting. The decoded messages contain no references to gassings.

To sum up, the following facts may be considered established: The messages deciphered at Bletchley Park undoubtedly constitute one of the most reliable sources on the course of events during the Second World War.

They provide information on undertakings of the German army, navy, and air force. They provide an insight into the events occurring behind the Russian front and the conditions in the concentration camps.

Since the reports from Auschwitz contain no information on mass killings, the question of whether the British Intelligence Service "knew about the Holocaust," can be answered with a single word: "No!. CONTINUED
 
Ah, more crazy.

Mark Twain once said:

"It's easier to fool people than it is to convince them that they have been fooled."
Therefore, I will only add that Mr. Butz cited in the O.P. is clearly more qualified to know the facts than victims of the deceptive and fraudulent Holocaust Industry (1), (2). Allied propagandists and Hollywood movie makers who were on the scene fabricating and manipulating evidence before your father showed up.

what would qualify Butz on anything? He was a control engineer, not a historian.


The photograph below shows the fake shrunken heads, goatskin lampshade, fake human fat soap and other hoaxes shown to Allied soldiers for propaganda and brainwashing purposes:
Shown by who? My father took pictures of Nordhausen. Many of them were destroyed by his mother, (A German Immigrant) who was horrified by what they showed.
 
Ah, more crazy.



what would qualify Butz on anything? He was a control engineer, not a historian.



Shown by who? My father took pictures of Nordhausen. Many of them were destroyed by his mother, (A German Immigrant) who was horrified by what they showed.


You asked for the qualifications of Butz who had access to heavily repressed information at the highest levels and are determined to ignore countless irrefutable facts because they debunk the MSM fables on which you have been weaned but what are your qualifications?

Have you read any salient documents, speeches etc in the original German?

Have you worked, lived with and known dozens of Holocaust survivors, German WW2 Veterans, Russian WW2 Veterans, German WW2 survivors as well as numerous US Veterans in the OWI etc.

Have you even been to Germany or read any of censored historical accounts ?

It sounds like your only "sources" are TV and "what dad said" even though numerous American WW2 Veterans saw through the obvious hoaxes.

No, I'm not going to call you "crazy" but there's a good reason that P. T. Barnum chose America to make his fortune where:
"There's a sucker born every minute."

Did dad also say that there was a tooth fairy?
Do you believe that too?

We really need look no farther than Gaza to see the real uses of the Holocaust's "lessons".

Enjoy your weekend and please think for yourself.
 
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