A new group of gun owners? Native American women…no one is coming to save you. Learn it, live it.

[Papageorgio]

Guns aren't a solution, they are part of the problem. Most of that violence is at the hands of acquaintances and family members, and guns tend to be a part of that violence.

Then if guns aren’t your solution, what is your solution? Just let it continue, let 84% of these women continue to experience violence and have no defense, no resources, no way out?

 

[Cellblock2429]

A lame meme isn't a contribution, especially since many of those people (like Hitler) never seized guns.

Average Germans during WWII owned all sorts of guns. The guy who brought Gun Control to Germany was Dwight Eisenhower, who got sick of Nazi-dead enders taking pot shots at GI's and had all the private guns confiscated.

/——/ Hitler confiscated guns from Jews and others he considered sub human. If you were a member of the Nazi party and willing to defend the fatherland, you kept your guns.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Then if guns aren’t your solution, what is your solution? Just let it continue, let 84% of these women continue to experience violence and have no defense, no resources, no way out?

/——/ Joey doesn’t mind it when women are attacked. He’s a typical liberal.

 

[JoeB131]

Then if guns aren’t your solution, what is your solution? Just let it continue, let 84% of these women continue to experience violence and have no defense, no resources, no way out?

Ending the government-sponsored slums of the Reservation system.

Providing real economic opportunities other than Casinos and other grafts.

There is a distinct correlation between poverty and domestic violence.

 

[JoeB131]

Hitler confiscated guns from Jews and others he considered sub human.

Okay, that was less than 1% of the population of Germany at the time.
The other 99% could get guns.
And this funny thing happened.. not one "Good German" rushed out with his gun and tried to stop the SS.

This is why your "I needs my guns to protect me from the government" claims are shit. Most of you are too cowardly to take on a take with your little pea-shooters.

 

[Winco]

Targeted for deliberate intentional mass murder,

You live in a very depressing world.
You truly believe 'the deep state' intentionally burned down Lahaina?

 

[Papageorgio]

Ending the government-sponsored slums of the Reservation system.

Providing real economic opportunities other than Casinos and other grafts.

There is a distinct correlation between poverty and domestic violence.

So end reservations? Do you think that will go over well?

What real economic opportunities would you find and fund them how?

 

[westwall]

Except they haven't been debunked, have they?

Here's the thing.

We know that 48,000 died from Gun violence last year.

How many were suicides
How many were homicides
How many accidents
How many were brave gun owners defending themselves against an evil Criminal?

Gun Violence in 2022, By the Numbers

The facts and figures that stuck with us.

www.thetrace.org

Yeah, they have.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Okay, that was less than 1% of the population of Germany at the time.
The other 99% could get guns.
And this funny thing happened.. not one "Good German" rushed out with his gun and tried to stop the SS.

This is why your "I needs my guns to protect me from the government" claims are shit. Most of you are too cowardly to take on a take with your little pea-shooters.

/----/ I doubt you'll read this, but it was more than Jews. It included the Socialist Democrats, who were considered not reliable to the Nazi movement.

How the Nazis Used Gun Control | National Review

The perennial gun-control debate in America did not begin here. The same arguments for and against were made in the 1920s in the chaos of Germany’s Weimar Republic, which opted for gun registration…

www.nationalreview.com

1. In 1931, Weimar authorities discovered plans for a Nazi takeover in which Jews would be denied food and persons refusing to surrender their guns within 24 hours would be executed.
2. In 1933, the ultimate extremist group, led by Adolf Hitler, seized power and used the records to identify, disarm, and attack political opponents and Jews. Constitutional rights were suspended, and mass searches for and seizures of guns and dissident publications ensued.
3. Police revoked gun licenses of Social Democrats and others who were not “politically reliable.”
4. The Gestapo banned independent gun clubs and arrested their leaders. Gestapo counsel Werner Best issued a directive to the police forbidding issuance of firearm permits to Jews.
5. The time had come to launch a decisive blow to the Jewish community, to render it defenseless so that its “ill-gotten” property could be redistributed as an entitlement to the German “Volk."
6. And when France fell to Nazi invasion in 1940, the New York Times reported that the French were deprived of rights such as free speech and firearm possession just as the Germans had been. Frenchmen who failed to surrender their firearms within 24 hours were subject to the death penalty.

 

[westwall]

/----/ I doubt you'll read this, but it was more than Jews. It included the Socialist Democrats, who were considered not reliable to the Nazi movement.

How the Nazis Used Gun Control | National Review

The perennial gun-control debate in America did not begin here. The same arguments for and against were made in the 1920s in the chaos of Germany’s Weimar Republic, which opted for gun registration…

www.nationalreview.com

1. In 1931, Weimar authorities discovered plans for a Nazi takeover in which Jews would be denied food and persons refusing to surrender their guns within 24 hours would be executed.
2. In 1933, the ultimate extremist group, led by Adolf Hitler, seized power and used the records to identify, disarm, and attack political opponents and Jews. Constitutional rights were suspended, and mass searches for and seizures of guns and dissident publications ensued.
3. Police revoked gun licenses of Social Democrats and others who were not “politically reliable.”
4. The Gestapo banned independent gun clubs and arrested their leaders. Gestapo counsel Werner Best issued a directive to the police forbidding issuance of firearm permits to Jews.
5. The time had come to launch a decisive blow to the Jewish community, to render it defenseless so that its “ill-gotten” property could be redistributed as an entitlement to the German “Volk."
6. And when France fell to Nazi invasion in 1940, the New York Times reported that the French were deprived of rights such as free speech and firearm possession just as the Germans had been. Frenchmen who failed to surrender their firearms within 24 hours were subject to the death penalty.

Don't confuse Joe the fascist, with facts.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Don't confuse Joe the fascist, with facts.

/---/ It's not directed at Joey, but to others who read his posts. I won't let his misinformation stand unchallenged.

 

[Failzero]

A lame meme isn't a contribution, especially since many of those people (like Hitler) never seized guns.

Average Germans during WWII owned all sorts of guns. The guy who brought Gun Control to Germany was Dwight Eisenhower, who got sick of Nazi-dead enders taking pot shots at GI's and had all the private guns confiscated.

Hitler was a Gungrabber from the moment the Sun came up on the night of the long knives

 

[Blues Man]

Except they haven't been debunked, have they?

Here's the thing.

We know that 48,000 died from Gun violence last year.

How many were suicides
How many were homicides
How many accidents
How many were brave gun owners defending themselves against an evil Criminal?

Gun Violence in 2022, By the Numbers

The facts and figures that stuck with us.

www.thetrace.org

Suicide is not violence nor is it a crime

Annually less than 500 people die from accidental firearm discharges when you take into account the literally tens of millions of instances of legal firearm uses that 500 is statistically insignificant.

And you still erroneously think that self defense with a firearm must result in a person dying.

 

[2aguy]

A lame meme isn't a contribution, especially since many of those people (like Hitler) never seized guns.

Average Germans during WWII owned all sorts of guns. The guy who brought Gun Control to Germany was Dwight Eisenhower, who got sick of Nazi-dead enders taking pot shots at GI's and had all the private guns confiscated.

And you don't want to acknowledge the gun control against the populations the german socialists planned on murdering....they used the gun control laws of the 1920s to disarm their targeted minority populations....and went on to murder between 15-20 million innocent men, women and children.

 

[2aguy]

Except they haven't been debunked, have they?

Here's the thing.

We know that 48,000 died from Gun violence last year.

How many were suicides
How many were homicides
How many accidents
How many were brave gun owners defending themselves against an evil Criminal?

Gun Violence in 2022, By the Numbers

The facts and figures that stuck with us.

www.thetrace.org

One, the Trace is owned by Bloomberg, an anti-gun zealot.....

but using their number .....

20,138......as millions more Americans now own and carry guns.........

Gun murder 2020....

.19,384





That number has increased from 2015...the year the democrat party began it's war on the police, which keeps the police from actually doing their jobs....this isn't a gun issue, it is an issue of the democrat party needing gun violence to push for gun control....so they destroy the ability of local police to stop criminals, and then, when criminals are arrested, the democrat party releases them from jail and prison no matter how often they are arrested for actual gun crimes....

All so you can target normal gun owners.

From the Centers or Disease Control.....2020 numbers...

Suicides........24,292

Murder....19,384

Gun accidents....535

So.......suicides do not count because Japan, China and South Korea have higher suicide rates than we do.....as do most Euorpean countries, and in many years Canada as well....

The murder number is higher as a direct result of the policies of the democrat party....

Gun accidents have gone down over the years...as more normal people own and carry guns...

Gun owners using guns for lawful self defense....

Lives saved....based on research? By law abiding gun owners using guns to stop criminals?



Case Closed: Kleck Is Still Correct



that makes for at least 176,000 lives saved—

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A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)


2021 national firearm survey, Prof. William English, PhD. designed by Deborah Azrael of Harvard T. Chan School of public policy, and Mathew Miller, Northeastern university.......1.67 million defensive uses annually.

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

2021 national firearms survey..

The survey was designed by Deborah Azrael of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and Matthew Miller of Northeastern University,
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The survey further finds that approximately a third of gun owners (31.1%) have used a firearm to defend themselves or their property, often on more than one occasion, and it estimates that guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year. Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%) no shot was fired. Approximately a quarter (25.2%) of defensive incidents occurred within the gun owner's home, and approximately half (53.9%) occurred outside their home, but on their property. About one out of ten (9.1%) defensive gun uses occurred in public, and about one out of twenty (4.8%) occurred at work.
2021 National Firearms Survey

Clinton's study by the DOJ....

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

Applying those restrictions leaves 19 NSPOF respondents (0.8 percent of the sample), representing 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in the last column of exhibit 7. While the NSPOF estimate is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. Inclusion of multiple DGUs reported by half of the 19 NSPOF respondents increases the estimate to 4.7 million DGUs.



n the third column of Table 6.2, we apply the Kleck and Gertz (1995) criteria for "genuine" DGUs (type A), leaving us with just 19 respondents. They represent 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known Kleck and Gertz estimate of 2.5 million, shown in the last

While ours is smaller, it is staistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. to the when we include the multiple DGUs victim. defensive reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 milli

While ours is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference petrator; in most cases (69 percent), the is due to sampling error. Note that when we include the multiple DGUs reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 million DGUs.
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As shown in Table 6.6, the defender fired his or her gun in 27 percent of these incidents (combined "fire warning shots" and "fire at perpetrator" percentages, though some respondents reported firing both warning shots and airning at the perpetrator). Forty percent of these were "warning shots," and about a third were aimed at the perpetrator but missed. The perpetrator was wounded by the crime victim in eight percent of all DGUs. In nine percent of DGUs the victim captured and held the perpetrator at gunpoint until the police could arrive.

Obama's study...

Defensive Use of Guns

Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996; Kleck, 2001a). Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010).
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. 2013. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | The National Academies Press.

Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | The National Academies Press

 

[Failzero]

Self Defense justified shootings are way up too

 

[JoeB131]

So end reservations? Do you think that will go over well?

I'm sure it will... given they are rements of racism.

What real economic opportunities would you find and fund them how?

Affirmative action programs, scholarships, targeted investment. TAX THE RICH, BABY!!!!

----/ I doubt you'll read this, but it was more than Jews. It included the Socialist Democrats, who were considered not reliable to the Nazi movement.

You are right, I wouldn't waste time on National Review at this point.

Do you know what happened to most of those "Socialist Democrats"? (Actually, Social Democrats, but never mind.) They all happily joined the NSDAP to keep their cushy government jobs. And after the war, they all went back to being Social Democrats.

 

[JoeB131]

And you don't want to acknowledge the gun control against the populations the german socialists planned on murdering....they used the gun control laws of the 1920s to disarm their targeted minority populations....and went on to murder between 15-20 million innocent men, women and children.

Because that's not true. Hitler rolled back the 1920's laws, that were barely enforced because when your whole army just deserts in WWI, no one keeps track of the guns.

 

[2aguy]

Except they haven't been debunked, have they?

Here's the thing.

We know that 48,000 died from Gun violence last year.

How many were suicides
How many were homicides
How many accidents
How many were brave gun owners defending themselves against an evil Criminal?

Gun Violence in 2022, By the Numbers

The facts and figures that stuck with us.

www.thetrace.org

Gun owners using t

Because that's not true. Hitler rolled back the 1920's laws, that were barely enforced because when your whole army just deserts in WWI, no one keeps track of the guns.

Liar....he usedthe gun registration lists created in the 1920s to disarm the people he planned on murdering.

 

[EMH]

You live in a very depressing world.
You truly believe 'the deep state' intentionally burned down Lahaina?

What caused the Maui fire?