A new group of gun owners? Native American women…no one is coming to save you. Learn it, live it.

[JoeB131]

So what?

Our murder rate is about the same as it was 70 years ago.

Well, no it isn't, and what kind of fucking excuse is that?

 

[Blues Man]

Well, no it isn't, and what kind of fucking excuse is that?

The murder rate in 1950 was 5 per 100K

And since then more people own guns and literally thousands of gun laws have been passed and what was the effect on the murder rate?

NADA.

Guns do not increase murder rates and gun laws do not decrease murder rates.

 

[Cellblock2429]

We've been over this.

A gun in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a household member than a bad guy.

/-----/ 1. The 1986 Kellerman study, the source of the famous "43 to 1" ratio, is deceptive in several ways. The basis for comparison in this study is the ratio of "firearm-related deaths" of household members vs. deaths of criminals killed in the home (justifiable homicides). The "firearm-related deaths" in the study include suicides and accidents, neither of which are randomly distributed throughout the population, as the 43 to 1 "risk ratio" would imply. Both suicides and accidents are more likely to occur in specific categories of people than they are in the general population. Of the 398 "firearm-related deaths" included in the study, the vast majority (333, or, 84%) were suicides. The number of fatal firearms accidents in the study was 12 (or 3% of the studied deaths). Since sometimes a "gun cleaning accident" is actually a suicide reported under a name less likely to deny payment from a life insurance company, there may in fact have been even fewer accidents than are apparent from the reporting.
2. According to U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics data, having a gun and being able to use it in a defensive situation is the most effective means of avoiding injury (moreso even than offering no resistance) and thwarting completion of a robbery or assault. In general, resisting violent crime is far more likely to help than to hurt, and this is especially true if your attacker attempts to take you hostage, such as sometimes happens in a carjacking situation. Most often in with-gun defenses, criminals can be frightened away or deterred without a shot being fired.

Myth #2 - "Guns aren't an effective defense, or, the 43:1 myth" | Buckeye Firearms Association

Myth #2 - "Guns aren't an effective defense, or, the 43:1 myth." The 43: 1 Myth claims that "Guns aren't effective defensive weapons, and are '43 to 1 times' more likely to kill their owners or family members than they are useful to defend against criminal attack."

www.buckeyefirearms.org

 

[2aguy]

Look, man, I know that the worst thing the gun fetishists want is for people to realize how dangerous a gun in the house is.

No......the worst thing is for people like you to have the power to ban and confiscate guns, because what you do after that is never pretty......

 

[2aguy]

Okay, let's look at the murder rate of the US vs. other G-7 Countries.

Gun homicide rate in G7 countries 2019 | Statista

From 2013 to 2019, the United States had a gun homicide rate of 4.38 per 100,000 residents, the most out of any other G7 country.

www.statista.com

As they say in Latin, The thing Speaks for itself.

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And you forget to add in the 15 million Europeans murdered by their governments in the 6 years between 1939-1945.....under the control of leftists like you. 15-20 million innocent men, women and children....over 1 million children......murdered in just 6 years, after their governments banned and confiscated guns...on the promise that giving up their guns would make them safer...just like you are promising now.

15-20 million murdered in 6 years....

Versus....

Gun murder in the United States over our entire 247 year history....around 2,470,000 ....over 247 years.

Now, genius.....do the math and tell us how long it will take the U.S. to catch. up to the other European countries....

We will keep our guns since governments murder people in the 10s of millions ....

http://hawaii.edu/powerkills/NAZIS.CHAP1.HTM



German socialists

By genocide, the murder of hostages, reprisal raids, forced labor, "euthanasia," starvation, exposure, medical experiments, and terror bombing, and in the concentration and death camps, the Nazis murdered from 15,003,000 to 31,595,000 people, most likely 20,946,000 men, women, handicapped, aged, sick, prisoners of war, forced laborers, camp inmates, critics, homosexuals, Jews, Slavs, Serbs, Germans, Czechs, Italians, Poles, French, Ukrainians, and many others. Among them 1,000,000 were children under eighteen years of age.1

And none of these monstrous figures even include civilian and military combat or war-deaths

http://[URL='http://hawaii.edu/powe...]http://hawaii.edu/powerkills/NAZIS.CHAP1.HTM

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[westwall]

And you forget to add in the 15 million Europeans murdered by their governments in the 6 years between 1939-1945.....under the control of leftists like you. 15-20 million innocent men, women and children....over 1 million children......murdered in just 6 years, after their governments banned and confiscated guns...on the promise that giving up their guns would make them safer...just like you are promising now.

15-20 million murdered in 6 years....

Versus....

Gun murder in the United States over our entire 247 year history....around 2,470,000 ....over 247 years.

Now, genius.....do the math and tell us how long it will take the U.S. to catch. up to the other European countries....

We will keep our guns since governments murder people in the 10s of millions ....

http://hawaii.edu/powerkills/NAZIS.CHAP1.HTM



German socialists

By genocide, the murder of hostages, reprisal raids, forced labor, "euthanasia," starvation, exposure, medical experiments, and terror bombing, and in the concentration and death camps, the Nazis murdered from 15,003,000 to 31,595,000 people, most likely 20,946,000 men, women, handicapped, aged, sick, prisoners of war, forced laborers, camp inmates, critics, homosexuals, Jews, Slavs, Serbs, Germans, Czechs, Italians, Poles, French, Ukrainians, and many others. Among them 1,000,000 were children under eighteen years of age.1

And none of these monstrous figures even include civilian and military combat or war-deaths

http://[URL='http://hawaii.edu/powe...]http://hawaii.edu/powerkills/NAZIS.CHAP1.HTM

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Oh, Stalin light doesn't "forget" he intentionally omits because he WANTS to murder loads of people.

Joeyb Stalin, is a sociopath.

 

[JoeB131]

The murder rate in 1950 was 5 per 100K

And since then more people own guns and literally thousands of gun laws have been passed and what was the effect on the murder rate?

NADA.

Guns do not increase murder rates and gun laws do not decrease murder rates.

The problem is that you're treating it like a straight line. Gun murders DID go up in the 1970's and remained high until the 1990's.

Low or high, much higher than other

As far as gun laws, when we have meaningful gun laws, let me know.

It should start with 'Gun ownership is a privilege, not a right."

 

[westwall]

The problem is that you're treating it like a straight line. Gun murders DID go up in the 1970's and remained high until the 1990's.

Low or high, much higher than other

As far as gun laws, when we have meaningful gun laws, let me know.

It should start with 'Gun ownership is a privilege, not a right."

No, the problem is you lie.

 

[The Duke]

Maybe this will stop a lot of Indian women from going missing.

 

[The Duke]

The problem is that you're treating it like a straight line. Gun murders DID go up in the 1970's and remained high until the 1990's.

Low or high, much higher than other

As far as gun laws, when we have meaningful gun laws, let me know.

It should start with 'Gun ownership is a privilege, not a right."

GTFO America, you assdouche.

 

[The Duke]

They should have gun safety classes and have them start carrying at around 14 on the res.

Then there's the hormonal factor, but..most people have sense.

 

[Cellblock2429]

The problem is that you're treating it like a straight line. Gun murders DID go up in the 1970's and remained high until the 1990's.

Low or high, much higher than other

As far as gun laws, when we have meaningful gun laws, let me know.

It should start with 'Gun ownership is a privilege, not a right."

/——/ Then voting is a privilege, not a right, and yours has just been revoked.

 

[Failzero]

Next it will be “ Recently Arrived “ ( Illegals) demanding ability to Arm themselves ( 2A/ RTKBA )

 

[The Duke]

Next it will be “ Recently Arrived “ ( Illegals) demanding ability to Arm themselves ( 2A/ RTKBA )

It's a long ways from Native women to illegals having guns.

 

[buckeye45_73]

You mean he CLARIFIED between suicides and murders... but the numbers still suck.

Okay, a gun in the household is 39 times more likely to be used in a suicide than kill a bad guy and 4 times more likely to be used in a domestic homicide than kill a bad guy.

Doesn't really make it sound better.

I'd like to see the numbers, but yes it does. If you're worried about suicides, then I guess ban all pills, razors, rope, neckties, we can keep doing this. You are a little shit that does like to spew bs.

 

[Blues Man]

The problem is that you're treating it like a straight line. Gun murders DID go up in the 1970's and remained high until the 1990's.

Low or high, much higher than other

As far as gun laws, when we have meaningful gun laws, let me know.

It should start with 'Gun ownership is a privilege, not a right."

That was a world wide phenomena.

We do have meaningful gun laws but idiots like you don't want to enforce them because you don't want to put people in jail

 

[2aguy]

The problem is that you're treating it like a straight line. Gun murders DID go up in the 1970's and remained high until the 1990's.

Low or high, much higher than other

As far as gun laws, when we have meaningful gun laws, let me know.

It should start with 'Gun ownership is a privilege, not a right."

Our gun murder rate is slightly lower than it was in the 70s you idiot..after we increased gun ownership and 22 million people now carry guns in public…,

 

[JoeB131]

Maybe this will stop a lot of Indian women from going missing.

Nope, it just means more of them will watch their kids commit suicide and their common law husbands shoot them with those guns they foolishly thought would protect them.

 

[JoeB131]

Our gun murder rate is slightly lower than it was in the 70s you idiot..after we increased gun ownership and 22 million people now carry guns in public…,

But still ridiculously higher than it is for the rest of the G-7 which has the good sense to limit who can own a gun.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Nope, it just means more of them will watch their kids commit suicide and their common law husbands shoot them with those guns they foolishly thought would protect them.

/---/ I'm sure that would make your day.