Debate Now A Hard Look at the MAGA Movement

[eagle1462010]

Maybe it is at this time but not historically. Asylum has saved the lives of countless numbers of people who should be save such as the mothers and children in Africa facing genocide, Afghans who worked with Americans and risking their lives fighting the Taliban, Cuban fighters that fought beside Americans opposing Castro, intelligence operatives and their families who faced certain death because they helped the United States, women and children being forced into the drug or sex trade by the gangs that are part of the cartels.

They are coming for money and going home.

They are not being persecuted by their country.

Its an ABUSED LOOP HOLE.

 

[Flopper]

Hey, dummy, most of what government spends is on Social Security, Medicare and the military. There just isn't that much to cut.

The reason why so much of it falls on the working class is we don't make corporations or the rich pay their fair share.

I just laid out above why the supposed welfare bum is kind of a myth.



You are almost at a point here. When I went to college, I worked two minimum-wage jobs and was in the National Guard.

Kids don't do that anymore. Why? They've realized that it's kind of pointless. A minimum wage job won't even put a dent into a college tuition today. It's better to just take out a loan, get some scholarships, and hope you land a lucrative enough job after college to pay off your debts.

My grandson graduated last year and I managed the various finances in getting him through school. You can find very good 4 year schools in the US with a cost of attendance between 25,000 and 40,000 a year. That includes tuition, room and board. You can reduce that somewhat or a lot depending on your financial situation through federal aid and grants and possibly scholarships.

Working your way through college today is not a good idea. If you aim to get a good paying job with your degree, then you need to look at some of the more difficulted curriculums in science, engineering, or maybe healthcare. Getting just a bachelor's degree in business, economics, sociology, history, political science, communications, etc may allow time for a part time job but these curriculums are not going to get you the good paying job in your field. In fact, you may well not be able to even get a job in your field of study.

The best way to save on college cost is to complete your first two years at a local community college. It will save you a ton of money. First being tuition is low relative to 4 years schools plus you can live at home. Secondly these schools are aimed at working people so there are a lot of classes in the evening and sometimes on weekends. Graduating from a community college with a degree that prepares you for a 4 year school, in many states guarantees you admission to state schools. There is a gotcha here. Being guaranteed entrance to a university does not guarantee you will get into the curriculum you are interested in. For example, the school of engineering might require a higher grade point average than you have or maybe some additional courses. By proper planning in the community college you can avoid these problems.

Sorry, I'm getting off topic

 

[Flopper]

Yes, the asylum process was much different back when you didn't have hundreds of thousands knocking on the door, a president who doesn't care, a vice president who is totally clueless, and a party that is only interested in more voters for it's policies.

You realize you could be talking about Trump or Biden.

 

[Flopper]

They are coming for money and going home.

They are not being persecuted by their country.

Its an ABUSED LOOP HOLE.

You don't go through asylum processing and go home. At best of times it will take at least a year to be granted asylum. Now it will probably take several years or more and there is no financial aid except for children. If after going through several months of detention and passing your second screening, you are release into the country and fail to report when required, your temporary work permit will be revoked, your application for asylum will cancelled, and you are subject to deportation with no option to legally return to the US. It's not worth it. If you just want to live and work for a while as an illegal and return home, taking your chances sneaking into the country makes more sense.

 

[HikerGuy83]

You realize you could be talking about Trump or Biden.

I am talking about Harris.

 

[JoeB131]

The problem with you is you dont want the American people to control immigration but rather have the immigrants decide

Thats not the way it should work

Sure it is.

The problem is, we try to deny reality that 1) There are jobs here we need to fill and 2) people will come here to fill those jobs.

We could solve the illegal problem very simply with a guest worker program like Germany has. We won't, of course, because we want to maintain the illusion that they are taking jobs from Americans when Americans don't really want those jobs.

 

[JoeB131]

You don't go through asylum processing and go home. At best of times it will take at least a year to be granted asylum. Now it will probably take several years or more and there is no financial aid except for children. If after going through several months of detention and passing your second screening, you are release into the country and fail to report when required, your temporary work permit will be revoked, your application for asylum will cancelled, and you are subject to deportation with no option to legally return to the US. It's not worth it. If you just want to live and work for a while as an illegal and return home, taking your chances sneaking into the country makes more sense.

well said.

My wife came here claiming asylum 8 years ago, after she arrived on a tourist visa. She had quite a valid complaint. She and her daughter had been arrested in China for attending a church the CCP didn't approve of. She complied with everything USCIS asked her to do, but they never got around to giving her a hearing. After we got married, we changed our approach to a sponsorship visa for a relative. That required us to pay $4000 in fees and lawyer costs, and submit over 200 pages of documentation. That took another 8 months to finally get her permanent resident card, but we have to resubmit in two years to remove remaining restrictions.

Now, by way of comparison. My Grandfather came here from Germany in 1925. By 1929, he had his citizenship.

 

[Mac-7]

Sure it is.

The problem is, we try to deny reality that 1) There are jobs here we need to fill and 2) people will come here to fill those jobs.

We could solve the illegal problem very simply with a guest worker program like Germany has. We won't, of course, because we want to maintain the illusion that they are taking jobs from Americans when Americans don't really want those jobs.

If we build the wall and patrol it properly the supply of illegal aliens will dry up

Wages will rise for Americans and lure some people off the dole

But we will need true welfare reform to force some people to find jobs

And welfare reform means no money given to healthy adults

 

[eagle1462010]

Killing ASYLUM is ESSENTIAL
That is the main way they laugh and walk in.

Remain in Mexico. #2.

Start using Facial recognition for those caught #3

Get caught once illegally...no longer allowed here again. Fascial recognition to id those

 

[JoeB131]

If we build the wall and patrol it properly the supply of illegal aliens will dry up

Naw, they'll just figure out other ways around it.

Wages will rise for Americans and lure some people off the dole

Not really. You think that Billionaires will stop funding those industries or consumers will pay more for lettuce picked by Americans?

Look, man, if you are such a loser that an illegal is a threat to your livelihood, that's your failure.

But we will need true welfare reform to force some people to find jobs

Welfare reform was tried and failed.

And welfare reform means no money given to healthy adults

Very little welfare goes to "healthy" adults.

 

[Mac-7]

Naw, they'll just figure out other ways around it.

There are no other ways

Thats the beauty of a proper wall

 

[Mac-7]

Not really. You think that Billionaires will stop funding those industries or consumers will pay more for lettuce picked by Americans?

Harvesting the lettuce is a mere fraction of what it costs in the grocery store

 

[Mac-7]

. You think that Billionaires will stop funding those industries or consumers will pay more for lettuce picked by Americans?

What you are supporting is slave wages for illegal aliens while healthy Americans lounge around on welfare

 

[JoeB131]

There are no other ways

Thats the beauty of a proper wall

Oceans and mountains can be overcome, anything built by man can be overcome.

Just look at the Maginot line or the Great Wall of China...

People got past them.

Or went around them.

 

[JoeB131]

What you are supporting is slave wages for illegal aliens while healthy Americans lounge around on welfare

Works for me.

Some people really don't belong in a workplace. They don't have the psychology for it.

Harvesting the lettuce is a mere fraction of what it costs in the grocery store

Here's the thing about lettuce...it's generally cheap all around.

If you make it expensive, people will just stop eating it.

 

[Mac-7]

Oceans and mountains can be overcome, anything built by man can be overcome.

Just look at the Maginot line or the Great Wall of China...

People got past them.

Or went around them.

We are not talking about the Maginot Line

Illegal aliens are being arrested for murder after being deported numerous times

That is unacceptable

 

[Mac-7]

Here's the thing about lettuce...it's generally cheap all around.

If you make it expensive, people will just stop eating it.

Let ‘em eat cake, huh?

The left is just full of empty talk about paying a living wage

 

[JoeB131]

We are not talking about the Maginot Line

Sure we are... We are talking about thinking a fixed structure are going to stop people who have already crossed thousands of miles of deserts to get there.

Illegal aliens are being arrested for murder after being deported numerous times

That is unacceptable

Uh, guy, you are the ones who flood our streets with guns.

Let ‘em eat cake, huh?

The left is just full of empty talk about paying a living wage

Not at all. ONce you have proper workplace enforcement, people won't be able to cheat immigrants.

 

[Mac-7]

Sure we are... We are talking about thinking a fixed structure are going to stop people who have already crossed thousands of miles of deserts to get there.

I think it will when combined with other measures such as immediate deportation upon capture

 

[Mac-7]

Uh, guy, you are the ones who flood our streets with guns.

Murderers can use knives, baseball bats, automobiles and many other ways besides a gun