A discussion about rifles and capabilities

[Grau]

I have several Bubba-fucked military rifles in my gun safe. Not very pretty to look at, but they're good shooters.

I'm sorry to hear that some of your rifles suffered the fate of so many old military rifles.

Do you have any un cut old military rifles?

Among the old WW 2 and WW 1 era firearm I've got is a 1938 Mauser Mod. 98k that has it's original leather sling, has clearly seen some pretty rough times and looks it.

I imagine that with each scratch and gouge in the old stock, there is a good story.

Not surprisingly, it functions flawlessly and smoothly while remaining quite accurate.

Since my grandfather left it to me, I have no idea of selling or altering it.


Thanks,

 

[Oddball]

Due to the tendency for discussions to devolve into meaningless nonsense in the Politics and Current Events areas, I wanted some talk among actual shooters about the topic. Yes, this is spurred by the assassination shot two days ago.

We are told that the range was two hundred yards or so. That the assassin used a high powered rifle and that is what it would take, oh that it had to be a professional hitter to make it.

We know better. 200 yards is a little far, but doable, for a friggin 30-30. Any Remington 700BDL in .270 will make that shot all day with an inexpensive scope from WalMart.

Anyway, I brought this here, where shooters reside, to hear some common sense discussion on the topic. Weapons and skill, not politics or ideology.

The latest number is <150 yards...A relatively easy shot for anyone who has experience plinking with a .22.

Now the latest is that Charlie's neck absorbed the kinetic energy of that .30 cal round, and the bullet was stopped inside him, without blowing half of it away.

 

[Failzero]

I suspect that you too couldn't resist buying a bunch of old Mosin Nagant rifles when they were about $100- apiece.

It's hard to turn down such an inexpensive piece of history that's also fun to shoot.

Enjoy...

No , Grandson gave me a 1946 Izevesk M44 in Minty Condition . when him & His Dad went to the Ventura Gun Show with me years back it was 99.99 with 40 Rounds of Russian 7.62x54, I like the round as it’s a real brawler . I later got an As New 1983 T Series Yugo M59/66 A1 and then had to Have a Chinese Para ( 1966 Arsenal 26 ) that was bubbafied and I lovingly restored it to original . My Go to Dead Ender Weapon of Choice is my Chinese Type 56 “ Spiker AK “ ( Built around a Nam bringback entire front end that had the best bore I’ve ever seen on a Milsurp AK ) I love my Com Block Weapons but my collection is AR/ M16 heavy . I did build a British L1A1 ( 1961 BSA ) when I was bored shitless with the Retro./ Traditional AR / M16 platform . But now in into 9 mm AR ( PCC ) and it has revitalized my AR / M16 Spark …

 

[BothWings]

The scope is shown on the rifle as it was found.

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Looks like a Simmons or Tasco, but they most all from the 80-90's look the same.

Edit. I just noticed how far back in the scope rings that scope is mounted. For someone with a weird check rest, really bad eyesight? Not much eye relief.

PS. where did the freaking cardboard box come from? Did the cops just grab one up - when they knew they were going to where the thought the gun was hidden (as the tranny roommate told them about it?)

PSS. How do we have so much information on this Antifa-Tard and still NOTHING on Crooks, who tried to take out Trump?

Maybe some Deep State cells in charge of recruiting and developing kooks into assassins are better at doing their jobs than others.

 

[Failzero]

Maybe some Deep State cells in charge of recruiting and developing kooks into assassins are better at doing their jobs than others.

They have the MSM / Academia / Science / Entertainment … so it’s an endless bench

 

[BothWings]

They have the MSM / Academia / Science / Entertainment … so it’s an endless bench

The MSM doesn't do the dirty work of helping such a person work out the tactical details. They would need one or maybe a few individuals that would be helping them very intimately with that. Sure, MSM would help condition the hate and sentiment that would motivate the crime though.

 

[JGalt]

I'm sorry to hear that some of your rifles suffered the fate of so many old military rifles.

Do you have any un cut old military rifles?

Among the old WW 2 and WW 1 era firearm I've got is a 1938 Mauser Mod. 98k that has it's original leather sling, has clearly seen some pretty rough times and looks it.

I imagine that with each scratch and gouge in the old stock, there is a good story.

Not surprisingly, it functions flawlessly and smoothly while remaining quite accurate.

Since my grandfather left it to me, I have no idea of selling or altering it.


Thanks,

I've owned a lot of un-modified military rifles over the years, but don't have any at the present time.

Mausers, GEW-88 and 98, Type 99 and 38 Japanese Arisakas, Russian Mosin Nagants, SKS rifles, M1-carbines, British Lee-Enfields and SMLE and scads of small pistols. Unfortunately I usually sold them or traded them for something else.

The two I shoot the most when I'm working up handloads these days are a 1942 Lee-Enfield British .303 lend lease made by Savage Arms, and a 1918 Springfield M1903 with a 6-24x42 scope that I use working up 30-06 loads. Both have had the forearms cut off.

I found the Lee-Enfield at a garage sale about 10 years ago. I asked the guy if he had any guns and he said he had an old rifle in the shed that he'd take $10 for. The rifle was covered in crud, oil, and sawdust. I had to use a rubber mallet to free up the bolt. Once I got it cleaned up and put a "no-drill" scope mount and a scope on it, it shot pretty tight groups at 100 yards. Even so, it looks pretty bad with thick surface rust all down the outside of the barrel.

The hell of it is, the guy that sold it to me tried to kill his wife with an aluminum baseball bat two weeks later. He beat the living crap out of her, but thankfully she survived. After beating her, he put a shotgun to his head.

I just keep the rifle because I got it so cheap and it shoots well. I make handloads for it by fire-forming 30-40 Krag cases and trimming them down a little.

 

[westwall]

The latest number is <150 yards...A relatively easy shot for anyone who has experience plinking with a .22.

Now the latest is that Charlie's neck absorbed the kinetic energy of that .30 cal round, and the bullet was stopped inside him, without blowing half of it away.

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If the little shit used a frangible bullet it would not exit the neck. I want to see more of the ballistic evidence.

 

[Failzero]

I've owned a lot of un-modified military rifles over the years, but don't have any at the present time.

Mausers, GEW-88 and 98, Type 99 and 38 Japanese Arisakas, Russian Mosin Nagants, SKS rifles, M1-carbines, British Lee-Enfields and SMLE and scads of small pistols. Unfortunately I usually sold them or traded them for something else.

The two I shoot the most when I'm working up handloads these days are a 1942 Lee-Enfield British .303 lend lease made by Savage Arms, and a 1918 Springfield M1903 with a 6-24x42 scope that I use working up 30-06 loads. Both have had the forearms cut off.

I found the Lee-Enfield at a garage sale about 10 years ago. I asked the guy if he had any guns and he said he had an old rifle in the shed that he'd take $10 for. The rifle was covered in crud, oil, and sawdust. I had to use a rubber mallet to free up the bolt. Once I got it cleaned up and put a "no-drill" scope mount and a scope on it, it shot pretty tight groups at 100 yards. Even so, it looks pretty bad with thick surface rust all down the outside of the barrel.

The hell of it is, the guy that sold it to me tried to kill his wife with an aluminum baseball bat two weeks later. He beat the living crap out of her, but thankfully she survived. After beating her, he put a shotgun to his head.

I just keep the rifle because I got it so cheap and it shoots well. I make handloads for it by fire-forming 30-40 Krag cases and trimming them down a little.

My focus almost entirely is the Second half of the 20th Century ( Post War / Cold War / GWOT …

 

[Failzero]

I've owned a lot of un-modified military rifles over the years, but don't have any at the present time.

Mausers, GEW-88 and 98, Type 99 and 38 Japanese Arisakas, Russian Mosin Nagants, SKS rifles, M1-carbines, British Lee-Enfields and SMLE and scads of small pistols. Unfortunately I usually sold them or traded them for something else.

The two I shoot the most when I'm working up handloads these days are a 1942 Lee-Enfield British .303 lend lease made by Savage Arms, and a 1918 Springfield M1903 with a 6-24x42 scope that I use working up 30-06 loads. Both have had the forearms cut off.

I found the Lee-Enfield at a garage sale about 10 years ago. I asked the guy if he had any guns and he said he had an old rifle in the shed that he'd take $10 for. The rifle was covered in crud, oil, and sawdust. I had to use a rubber mallet to free up the bolt. Once I got it cleaned up and put a "no-drill" scope mount and a scope on it, it shot pretty tight groups at 100 yards. Even so, it looks pretty bad with thick surface rust all down the outside of the barrel.

The hell of it is, the guy that sold it to me tried to kill his wife with an aluminum baseball bat two weeks later. He beat the living crap out of her, but thankfully she survived. After beating her, he put a shotgun to his head.

I just keep the rifle because I got it so cheap and it shoots well. I make handloads for it by fire-forming 30-40 Krag cases and trimming them down a little.

I’m liking the SVT 40 / FN 49 / MAS 49/56 / CETME & CETME L & M14 pattern Rifles with wood furniture ( not Bolt Actions )

 

[Oddball]

If the little shit used a frangible bullet it would not exit the neck. I want to see more of the ballistic evidence.

So do I.

I looked up those bullets immediately, though the only ones I found were available for lower velocity handgun rounds.

I'll have to admit that the release of that obviously fake text string has me now doubting every aspect of the "official" story.

We are either being lied to straight out, or this is the most incompetent investigation of a high profile case in human history.

 

[westwall]

Oddball

So do I.

I looked up those bullets immediately, though the only ones I found were available for lower velocity handgun rounds.

I'll have to admit that the release of that obviously fake text string has me now doubting every aspect of the "official" story.

We are either being lied to straight out, or this is the most incompetent investigation of a high profile case in human history.

Frangible .06 ammo was made extensively during WWII for training purposes.

You can still find it on the gunshow circuit.

 

[Oddball]

Oddball

Frangible .06 ammo was made extensively during WWII for training purposes.

You can still find it on the gunshow circuit.

OK...That's a handy piece of info.

Been to a ton of gun shows, that dude doesn't fit the profile...If he had that ammo, someone else supplied it.

 

[westwall]

OK...That's a handy piece of info.

Been to a ton of gun shows, that dude doesn't fit the profile...If he had that ammo, someone else supplied it.

Correct, but the family most likely would have been familiar with the ammo. Most old timers are.

 

[JGalt]

I’m liking the SVT 40 / FN 49 / MAS 49/56 / CETME & CETME L & M14 pattern Rifles with wood furniture ( not Bolt Actions )

It wasn't an SVT but I had the chance to buy a Dragunov SVD for $800, back before Obama went stupid on Russian imports. I kick myself every time I think about not buying it.

 

[Grau]

I've owned a lot of un-modified military rifles over the years, but don't have any at the present time.

Mausers, GEW-88 and 98, Type 99 and 38 Japanese Arisakas, Russian Mosin Nagants, SKS rifles, M1-carbines, British Lee-Enfields and SMLE and scads of small pistols. Unfortunately I usually sold them or traded them for something else.

The two I shoot the most when I'm working up handloads these days are a 1942 Lee-Enfield British .303 lend lease made by Savage Arms, and a 1918 Springfield M1903 with a 6-24x42 scope that I use working up 30-06 loads. Both have had the forearms cut off.

I found the Lee-Enfield at a garage sale about 10 years ago. I asked the guy if he had any guns and he said he had an old rifle in the shed that he'd take $10 for. The rifle was covered in crud, oil, and sawdust. I had to use a rubber mallet to free up the bolt. Once I got it cleaned up and put a "no-drill" scope mount and a scope on it, it shot pretty tight groups at 100 yards. Even so, it looks pretty bad with thick surface rust all down the outside of the barrel.

The hell of it is, the guy that sold it to me tried to kill his wife with an aluminum baseball bat two weeks later. He beat the living crap out of her, but thankfully she survived. After beating her, he put a shotgun to his head.

I just keep the rifle because I got it so cheap and it shoots well. I make handloads for it by fire-forming 30-40 Krag cases and trimming them down a little.

It sounds like you are pretty busy as well as experienced in shooting / hand loading .

I've got a WW 2 Soviet SVT-40 semi auto rifle that is quite sensitive to different types of ammunition.

Have you ever fired one?

Sometimes, old, corrosive surplus ammunition is more accurate than new and modern ammunition but I hate cleaning up after corrosive ammunition.

The SVT-40 has an adjustable gas plug so, during WW 2, some less sophisticated Soviet soldiers would discard their SVT-40s in favor of the smoother and simpler Mauser Mod. 98k.

Meanwhile, German soldiers enjoyed the advantages of discarded, semi auto SVT-40s.

Go figure....

Thanks,

 

[Failzero]

It sounds like you are pretty busy as well as experienced in shooting / hand loading .

I've got a WW 2 Soviet SVT-40 semi auto rifle that is quite sensitive to different types of ammunition.

Have you ever fired one?

Sometimes, old, corrosive surplus ammunition is more accurate than new and modern ammunition but I hate cleaning up after corrosive ammunition.

The SVT-40 has an adjustable gas plug so, during WW 2, some less sophisticated Soviet soldiers would discard their SVT-40s in favor of the smoother and simpler Mauser Mod. 98k.

Meanwhile, German soldiers enjoyed the advantages of discarded, semi auto SVT-40s.

Go figure....

Thanks,

If I had a choice I would like an StG 58 over an SVT 40 , but I have heard that SVT 40 are fragile and parts are scarce . I’m in a kinda transition in my Gun Building / Collecting , I’ve gone from 2-4 builds a month now to 1-2 , and I’m diggin the 9mm AR realm . I have spares & Parts to dive directly back into the Traditional / Retro AR15 / M16 arena but I’ve beat that horse to death with like 35-40 builds . I have a spare complete ArmaLite AR10 A2 20” Upper from the early 2000s to go with my Complete ArmaLite 20” AR10A2 from around 1997 timeframe . But in California I can’t just get an easy to obtain ArmaLite AR10 B lower receiver as they are banned by name ( but I can get an a B pattern ArmaLite SPR Mod 2 lower but they are uber Rare . I constantly have build ideas and past projects underway . I am open to new ideas on builds

 

[JGalt]

It sounds like you are pretty busy as well as experienced in shooting / hand loading .

I've got a WW 2 Soviet SVT-40 semi auto rifle that is quite sensitive to different types of ammunition.

Have you ever fired one?

Sometimes, old, corrosive surplus ammunition is more accurate than new and modern ammunition but I hate cleaning up after corrosive ammunition.

The SVT-40 has an adjustable gas plug so, during WW 2, some less sophisticated Soviet soldiers would discard their SVT-40s in favor of the smoother and simpler Mauser Mod. 98k.

Meanwhile, German soldiers enjoyed the advantages of discarded, semi auto SVT-40s.

Go figure....

Thanks,

Never fired an SVT-40. You could probably increase the accuracy and prolong the life of the rifle by loading the ammo down by a couple hundred fps, as long as it has enough pressure to cycle the bolt. The hardest part would be coming up with brass that isn't Berdan primed like most Easter Bloc ammo. I looked, reloadable 7.62x54R brass runs between .50 cents to $1 a piece on gunbroker.

 

[the watcher]

Now the latest is that Charlie's neck absorbed the kinetic energy of that .30 cal round, and the bullet was stopped inside him, without blowing half of it away.

I was wondering if the bullet was recovered, haven't heard. The 150-yard shot is very doable, and I would guess him living in Utah he has some experience with rifles. He would have to know for a fact when and how it was sighted in, be familiar with it, and not want to take it apart and put it back together before the shot, or at least I wouldn't want to. I think he was wearing shorts and changed clothes before the shot, a lot of unanswered questions. Maybe they will come out at the trial.

 

[Oddball]

I was wondering if the bullet was recovered, haven't heard. The 150-yard shot is very doable, and I would guess him living in Utah he has some experience with rifles. He would have to know for a fact when and how it was sighted in, be familiar with it, and not want to take it apart and put it back together before the shot, or at least I wouldn't want to. I think he was wearing shorts and changed clothes before the shot, a lot of unanswered questions. Maybe they will come out at the trial.

If he confesses and/or "commits suicide", we may not know.