A discussion about rifles and capabilities

[BothWings]

Replying to my own self again here. But I am still trying to figure all this out before we get the actual autopsy (to see if that info lines up with what I see) and I notice something I missed before. If you go through the video frame by fame. At the 0:03 time, I see what appears to be a portion of either the vest or (shocking) the top of a large Cross pendant, pushed up above Charlie's collar and (when the collar settles) his neck wound.

Yes I noticed that about the shirt too...but you know bullets do cause shock waves and as it passed over his shoulder perhaps the wave could pull the shirt up a bit. Just a thought, not a conclusion.

 

[Chuz Life]

Many times I have looked up specs on various firearms online because I just like firearms. And several times after thinking I found a relevant article or post, after a few paragraphs I realized something was wrong. And what was wrong is that what I was reading was not real at all but a post on a gaming social media hub, referring to "virtual" firearms where the games actually include a lot of detail about weapons and and their specs I had to read through several paragraphs before I realized that someone was talking about a video game. Of course on those platforms people also talk about things that happen in video games like casualties and wounds and missions, etc.

So what if someone use those same social media platforms talk about a real occurrence? It would be the perfect place to do so because most of the goofballs posting there would assume that they were just reading about another video game. And that is how such handlers could communicate with such people. Both Thomas Crooks and Tyler Robinson were deeply into that stuff. And that is a VERY important connection, IMO.

And did you know that Thomas Crooks and Bowers, the guy who shot up the synagogue in Pittsburgh and got the death penalty, BOTH lived about 4 miles from each other? Very convenient for handlers if they had handlers. A very spooky coincidence.

I don't doubt they may have had manipulators online. Enablers and enticers even.

I just don't think there was anything in person or step by step rehearsals. Or anything like that.

 

[Chuz Life]

Yes I noticed that about the shirt too...but you know bullets do cause shock waves and as it passed over his shoulder perhaps the wave could pull the shirt up a bit. Just a thought, not a conclusion.

Not to poo poo the thought.

If you want to see an argument against that?

Though I can't find one to share, there are videos of people using high speed cameras to record a bullet extinguishing a candle flame.

It basically takes a direct hit to the wick or at the very least to the base of a flame.

There's not a 2-3 foot shockwave of pressure coming off a 30-06 round fired from 200 yards away.

 

[BothWings]

Not to poo poo the thought.

If you want to see an argument against that?

Though I can't find one to share, there are videos of people using high speed cameras to record a bullet extinguishing a candle flame.

It basically takes a direct hit to the wick or at the very least to the base of a flame.

There's not a 2-3 foot shockwave of pressure coming off a 30-06 round fired from 200 yards away.

It's been proven that the shock wave from a bullet can destabilize a drone and move small objects. I wouldn't discount the possibility that it could ruffle someone's shirt. A 30-06 at 200 yards is still moving plenty quick. I'm not going to stand here and insist that it absolutely had to be that but I think it has yet to be proven false.

 

[Chuz Life]

It's been proven that the shock wave from a bullet can destabilize a drone and move small objects. I wouldn't discount the possibility that it could ruffle someone's shirt. A 30-06 at 200 yards is still moving plenty quick. I'm not going to stand here and insist that it absolutely had to be that but I think it has yet to be proven false.

This theory could easily be tested in the field.

If you notice (like I said, even his necklace jumps out of his shirt.) The violent movement of his shirt was not merely a shockwave disturbance.

 

[BothWings]

This theory could easily be tested in the field.

If you notice (like I said, even his necklace jumps out of his shirt.) The violent movement of his shirt was not merely a shockwave disturbance.

Any idea which LE agency was the first to gather up evidence after he was pronounced dead? Was it the FBI? I wonder who initially took possession of the vest. (He was wearing a bulletproof vest from what I understand).

That vest would be a smoking gun, no pun intended, if he was initially hit lower than that. Maybe Robinson hit him in the chest but a second shooter hit his neck. And maybe Robinson didn't know he had the vest on but the second shooter did. That shot could also have been suppressed so it appeared it was all a result of Robinson's shot.

Note that JFK was initially hit in the neck. The evidence that would have helped sort out the confusion around the multiple shots was in fact tampered with and/or disappeared.

 

[Chuz Life]

Any idea which LE agency was the first to gather up evidence after he was pronounced dead? Was it the FBI? I wonder who initially took possession of the vest. (He was wearing a bulletproof vest from what I understand).

That vest would be a smoking gun, no pun intended, if he was initially hit lower than that. Maybe Robinson hit him in the chest but a second shooter hit his neck. And maybe Robinson didn't know he had the vest on but the second shooter did. That shot could also have been suppressed so it appeared it was all a result of Robinson's shot.

Note that JFK was initially hit in the neck. The evidence that would have helped sort out the confusion around the multiple shots was in fact tampered with and/or disappeared.

There was only one shot heard. Only one report caught in the audio.

Noting that even a suppressed shot is still audible (especially if it breaks Mach1.)

And to have both impact at the same exact time?

Only in the movies.

 

[BothWings]

There was only one shot heard. Only one report caught in the audio.

Noting that even a suppressed shot is still audible (especially if it breaks Mach1.)

And to have both impact at the same exact time?

Only in the movies.

So what do you think made his pendant and shirt fly up?

 

[BothWings]

Not to poo poo the thought.

If you want to see an argument against that?

Though I can't find one to share, there are videos of people using high speed cameras to record a bullet extinguishing a candle flame.

It basically takes a direct hit to the wick or at the very least to the base of a flame.

There's not a 2-3 foot shockwave of pressure coming off a 30-06 round fired from 200 yards away.

The top of his shirt was maybe just 4 inches from the wound, and that part of the shirt was possibly caught in the sudden vacuum. You can move a whole shirt by just pinching a small part of it and pulling.

I am not convinced that it's impossible that that happened in this case.

 

[cnm]

Or center mass, and he hit high.

We may never know for sure.

I always go for neck shots if practical. 200yd prone is sweet, don't need a bipod, do like a sling, though. We can see how well that aiming point worked, if it was selected. High or low errors ranging errors are taken care of and any hit is likely to be fatal.

 

[cnm]

not want to take it apart and put it back together before the shot, or at least I wouldn't want to.

Depends on its bedding. I'd be very surprised if that's not bedded and floated. Maybe even pillared.

 

[cnm]

The latest number is <150 yards...A relatively easy shot for anyone who has experience plinking with a .22.

Now the latest is that Charlie's neck absorbed the kinetic energy of that .30 cal round, and the bullet was stopped inside him, without blowing half of it away.

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It all depends on the fragility of the bullet and speeds and what it hits, etc., etc..

I've had a Nosler Ballistic Tip, 140gn 7mm, 2800fps, blow up and not exit on a rabbit at 160 yds.

Got it in the chest where I aimed, recovered most of the bullet from the bottom of a hind foot.

 

[cnm]

Shooters are going to love this. I wish I could find the video and link to it, but in one of the videos I watched, the commentator said that Robinson removed the scope (had it in the backpack) and the Barrel from the Mauser before getting to the roof. Then somehow, the 22 year ol antifa-tard reassembled it before the shooting.

(remember, one shot kill)

(My ******* sides and cheeks are hurting from trying not to laugh as I write this, not about the killing but about the retarded commentor's claims)

I thought you might enjoy a good laugh too.

If anyone finds the link, please share it.

Yeah, I agree, there's no need to remove the scope if one is removing the barrel. If the rifle is put together properly it will return to zero, no worries.

 

[Chuz Life]

The top of his shirt was maybe just 4 inches from the wound, and that part of the shirt was possibly caught in the sudden vacuum. You can move a whole shirt by just pinching a small part of it and pulling.

I am not convinced that it's impossible that that happened in this case.

I believe in the last frames you can see the bullet hole in his shirt.

I am willing to be proven wrong, but the evidence points to the bullet striking that heavy rope chain (necklace) - causing the cross to fly up and almost out and then when the shirt settles, we can see the hole in the shirt.

AGAIN GRAPHIC!!!

 

[cnm]

There was only one shot heard. Only one report caught in the audio.

A sequence of sounds, closer together than I'd have expected: muffled something, crack, muffled something. If not on that vid, on others I have seen.

 

[BothWings]

I believe in the last frames you can see the bullet hole in his shirt.

I am willing to be proven wrong, but the evidence points to the bullet striking that heavy rope chain (necklace) - causing the cross to fly up and almost out and then when the shirt settles, we can see the hole in the shirt.

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Seems reasonable as far as bullet trajectory goes, not knowing other details. But weren't you making some separate case for his shirt flying up, or did I get someone else's post mixed up with yours?

Perhaps the bullet did ricochet off the vest, but also perhaps the energy diffusing through the vest threw the shirt up. Kind of like those inflatable water park things where one person sits on it and another jumps on it from up high, launching the first person into the air.

 

[Chuz Life]

Seems reasonable as far as bullet trajectory goes, not knowing other details. But weren't you making some separate case for his shirt flying up, or did I get someone else's post mixed up with yours?

Perhaps the bullet did ricochet off the vest, but also perhaps the energy diffusing through the vest threw the shirt up. Kind of like those inflatable water park things where one person sits on it and another jumps on it from up high, launching the first person into the air.

It is very possible, even likely that Charlie was wearing moth a bullet proof vest and a cross.

And yes, a bullet that violently impacts the chain of the necklace and or rope chain of a chest plate is going to violent tug at and pull at the shirt they are under, as well.

 

[BothWings]

It is very possible, even likely that Charlie was wearing moth a bullet proof vest and a cross.

And yes, a bullet that violently impacts the chain of the necklace and or rope chain of a chest plate is going to violent tug at and pull at the shirt they are under, as well.

Ok, well that was what I was thinking from the very beginning. All this time I thought you were suggesting a second source of impact on Charlie.

 

[Chuz Life]

So what do you think made his pendant and shirt fly up?

Like I said, I think the bullet or fragments hit the chain(s.)

In the videos, we can see the evidence of pieces of chain on both sides of Charlie's head, neck and shoulders.

 

[Chuz Life]

Ok, well that was what I was thinking from the very beginning. All this time I thought you were suggesting a second source of impact on Charlie.

No.

I don't know where you got that.