A discussion about rifles and capabilities

[1srelluc]

What the hell is up with that rack?

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20-25 yds with smooth bore and rifled slug 12ga. Remington.

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10-point 18.50" inside spread.

 

[1srelluc]

Norway convered the thousands of 8mm Mauser K98s the Germans left there after the surrender to 30.06.

Many were surplused off over the years and a lot of sporters were built on them to take advantage of the chambering.

If memory serves both Sears and Wards sold them in a somewhat crude sporter form.

It would have been very easy to further "refine" one of those into the configuration of the gun in the box.

https://www.milsurps.com/content.php?r=251-1943-Norwegian-K98k-%28.30-06%29-Mauser-Rifle-%28Mfg-by-J.P.-Sauer-und-Sohn%29

 

[Chuz Life]

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10-point 18.50" inside spread.

Do you have another angle or view of it?

 

[1srelluc]

Do you have another angle or view of it?

No, it's out in the garage someplace in a burlap sack full of racks.

The gene pool on that mountain produced a lot of 10-point "rocking chair" racks. I killed three of them in a couple years. Same rifle. One was 21.75" inside spread. Dad took one 10-point with a 20" inside spread....It got to be ho-hum after a while.

 

[Grau]

Due to the tendency for discussions to devolve into meaningless nonsense in the Politics and Current Events areas, I wanted some talk among actual shooters about the topic. Yes, this is spurred by the assassination shot two days ago.

We are told that the range was two hundred yards or so. That the assassin used a high powered rifle and that is what it would take, oh that it had to be a professional hitter to make it.

We know better. 200 yards is a little far, but doable, for a friggin 30-30. Any Remington 700BDL in .270 will make that shot all day with an inexpensive scope from WalMart.

Anyway, I brought this here, where shooters reside, to hear some common sense discussion on the topic. Weapons and skill, not politics or ideology.

While the calibers you listed may be adequate for a fatal 200 yard shot, I would suggest a slightly larger round for that distance to account for wind, body armor, flukes etc

I started shooting over 65 years ago and became familiar with a number of different small arms as well as the M-2 .50 caliber in the military.

Most decent semi auto rifles in adequate calibers would be suitable as would just about any bolt action rifle.

I've got a target range next to my blacksmith shop and try to stay proficient but I find myself squinting a little more than decades ago.

Thanks,

 

[Chuz Life]

No, it's out in the garage someplace in a burlap sack full of racks.

The gene pool on that mountain produced a lot of 10-point "rocking chair" racks. I killed three of them in a couple years. Same rifle. One was 21.75" inside spread. Dad took one 10-point with a 20" inside spread....It got to be ho-hum after a while.

Were the antlers already sawn off in this image?

They just don't look attached.

LOL.

Weird.

 

[Twisted Gypsy Child]

Hornady 243 Win 100 gr InterLock® BTSP American Whitetail
Model 70 Winchester rifle
100 yards Clovers.
200 yards sub .500" group

 

[frigidweirdo]

Due to the tendency for discussions to devolve into meaningless nonsense in the Politics and Current Events areas, I wanted some talk among actual shooters about the topic. Yes, this is spurred by the assassination shot two days ago.

We are told that the range was two hundred yards or so. That the assassin used a high powered rifle and that is what it would take, oh that it had to be a professional hitter to make it.

We know better. 200 yards is a little far, but doable, for a friggin 30-30. Any Remington 700BDL in .270 will make that shot all day with an inexpensive scope from WalMart.

Anyway, I brought this here, where shooters reside, to hear some common sense discussion on the topic. Weapons and skill, not politics or ideology.

Great, finally a topic on how to shoot MAGA people from 200 yards. Just what I was waiting for.

 

[1srelluc]

Were the antlers already sawn off in this image?

They just don't look attached.

LOL.

Weird.


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LOL....It's the black rubber strap I had the head tied back with.....Come on man.

 

[JGalt]

Due to the tendency for discussions to devolve into meaningless nonsense in the Politics and Current Events areas, I wanted some talk among actual shooters about the topic. Yes, this is spurred by the assassination shot two days ago.

We are told that the range was two hundred yards or so. That the assassin used a high powered rifle and that is what it would take, oh that it had to be a professional hitter to make it.

We know better. 200 yards is a little far, but doable, for a friggin 30-30. Any Remington 700BDL in .270 will make that shot all day with an inexpensive scope from WalMart.

Anyway, I brought this here, where shooters reside, to hear some common sense discussion on the topic. Weapons and skill, not politics or ideology.

.270 or .243 for 200 yard shots, 7mm mag or 300 Win mag for further. '06 is okay for 100 yards but it's no tack driver.

You can shoot an '06 out to about 500 yards but it patterns like a 12 gauge load of buckshot.

I don't hunt much but I do spend a lot of time on handload development and putting shots on paper. Mostly pistol calibers like 9mm. .38 Spl, .357 mag, and .44 mag. I look at it as just being a poor man's version of "golf", much like putting a ball in a distant hole.

 

[BothWings]

Suffice to say you don't have to be some kind of professional military person in order to make a shot from 200 yards away and hit somebody in the neck with a high-powered round like a 30-06, especially if you have any kind of a scope on it that's been properly sighted in and it doesn't matter if it's from freaking Walmart.

Case freaking closed. This is a waste of server space.

What matters is if he acted alone or he actually did have some people picking his brain, pulling his strings and pushing his buttons. And of course it matters to everybody at least a little where his sociopolitical sentiments lie. That's understandable.

 

[JGalt]

Suffice to say you don't have to be some kind of professional military person in order to make a shot from 200 yards away and hit somebody in the neck with a high-powered round like a 30-06, especially if you have any kind of a scope on it that's been properly sighted in and it doesn't matter if it's from freaking Walmart.

Case freaking closed. This is a waste of server space.

What matters is if he acted alone or he actually did have some people picking his brain, pulling his strings and pushing his buttons. And of course it matters to everybody at least a little where his sociopolitical sentiments lie. That's understandable.

I wouldn't try for that small of a small target at 200 yards. A 150 grain 30-06 clocked at 2740 fps and sighted in at 100 yards is going to drop almost 5" at 200 yards, and 17 inches at 300 yards. Even if the rifle were sighted in for 200 yards, most people can't hold one steady enough to consistently hit a 4" target. Even from a sandbagged rest, most shooters have inconsistency in breath control, trigger pull, and the way they're holding the rifle. My experience has shown that any gun can shoot far more accurately than the person holding it. My guess is the shithead was either aiming center mass on the chest or out of his own rage, aiming for the head and hit Charlie Kirk in the neck.

 

[Chuz Life]

LOL....It's the black rubber strap I had the head tied back with.....Come on man.

No. I see the straps. I just cant follow from there. I know its probably like one of those illusion tests where once you see it, it makes sense. But it doesn"t look typical. Did it have brow tines? Can you point them out?

Impressive deer, regardless.

 

[Chuz Life]

Suffice to say you don't have to be some kind of professional military person in order to make a shot from 200 yards away and hit somebody in the neck with a high-powered round like a 30-06, especially if you have any kind of a scope on it that's been properly sighted in and it doesn't matter if it's from freaking Walmart.

Case freaking closed. This is a waste of server space.

What matters is if he acted alone or he actually did have some people picking his brain, pulling his strings and pushing his buttons. And of course it matters to everybody at least a little where his sociopolitical sentiments lie. That's understandable.

Only one point to insert here. We don't know where the point of aim was. The bullet skipped off Kirks vest, from area around his collar bone and entered Charlie"s throat at an upward angle.

 

[JGalt]

Hornady 243 Win 100 gr InterLock® BTSP American Whitetail
Model 70 Winchester rifle
100 yards Clovers.
200 yards sub .500" group

Anything close to 6.5mm is flat-shooting and accurate. I once had a Type 38 Jap Arisaka in 6.5mm that would consistently print 1-1/2" groups at 100 yards with iron sights, using handloads. The Type 99 Jap Arisakas in 7.7mm are shit, compared to the Type 38's. Even then, many of the 6.5mm Arisakas were converted to .257 Roberts when they were brought home during WW2, and the 7.7 Type 99 Arisakas were converted to 30-06.

 

[1srelluc]

No. I see the straps. I just cant follow from there. I know its probably like one of those illusion tests where once you see it, it makes sense. But it doesn"t look typical. Did it have brow tines? Can you point them out?

Impressive deer, regardless.

That particular gene pool produced wide/heavy racks and short brow tines. If memory serves they were only about 5" long....All were 200#+ bucks which is uncommon in my AO.

Here's one I killed on the same mountain (different stand) early in ML season the same year....10-point, 21.50" inside spread.

LOL....The little basket rack next to it was my dad's first deer. He killed it in 1942 when he was 9.

That was considered a "big" rack back then as deer were scarce.

 

[JGalt]

That particular gene pool produced wide/heavy racks and short brow tines. If memory serves they were only about 5" long....All were 200#+ bucks which is uncommon in my AO.

Here's one I killed on the same mountain (different stand) early in ML season the same year....10-point, 21.50" inside spread.


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LOL....The little basket rack next to it was my dad's first deer. He killed it in 1942 when he was 9.

That was considered a "big" rack back then as deer were scarce.

Is it me or does that one have creepy eyes that follow you around when you move?

 

[Failzero]

I was at a Range in Piru California with a group of long range shooters who do a lot of specialized reloading . I was like the Amateur of the bunch and was just having fun ( I started shooting the Wind Sock at 700 Yards because I got bored hittin the metal sillouette and forgot that a lotta folks were watchin through optics/ rangefinders including the Rangemaster / assistant range Manager . He was hot and wanted to boot me from the Range but the Group I was with were known regulars so I was banished to the Shotgun Pistol Course ( which I actually needed as to warm up for my California CCW renewals and qualifications with at least 4 different HGs going on my Renewal . If you have a decent rig / Ammo / Optics even an Amateur can shoot well .

 

[JGalt]

Only one point to insert here. We don't know where the point of aim was. The bullet skipped off Kirks vest, from area around his collar bone and entered Charlie"s throat at an upward angle.

Sometimes bullets just go where you don't expect them to go. I'm still looking for that 124 grain 9mm slug from the accidental discharge I had in my garage two years ago. After that, I started clearing weapons in a 5-gallon bucket of sand outside.

 

[1srelluc]

Anything close to 6.5mm is flat-shooting and accurate. I once had a Type 38 Jap Arisaka in 6.5mm that would consistently print 1-1/2" groups at 100 yards with iron sights, using handloads. The Type 99 Jap Arisakas in 7.7mm are shit, compared to the Type 38's. Even then, many of the 6.5mm Arisakas were converted to .257 Roberts when they were brought home during WW2, and the 7.7 Type 99 Arisakas were converted to 30-06.

Huh.....What that tells me is you don't know your way around Type 99s very much.

My first "high powered" rifle was a Nagoya Type 99, hell, I groundhog and deer hunted with it for years. Dead balls accurate, I never remember missing what I was aiming at. My dad was always amazed at what I could do with that rife at distance.

LOL....As a kid I mowed many a yard to feed it....The gas station down the road kept 7.7 Jap. SP just for me.

I still have it too.....And a lordly supply of 7.7 ammo.....**** mowing yards.