A discussion about rifles and capabilities

[The Duke]

The dude's dad taught him to shoot. He didn't know he'd use it for evil.
200 yard shot like that? Many people could do it.
Dude that worked with me shot a hog at like 370 yards with a .17 HMR.
Dropped it, headshot, trailcam with phone app, a spotter and that's it.
He shoots better than me, but not much.
Gotta give credit where it's due.

 

[Concerned American]

Due to the tendency for discussions to devolve into meaningless nonsense in the Politics and Current Events areas, I wanted some talk among actual shooters about the topic. Yes, this is spurred by the assassination shot two days ago.

We are told that the range was two hundred yards or so. That the assassin used a high powered rifle and that is what it would take, oh that it had to be a professional hitter to make it.

We know better. 200 yards is a little far, but doable, for a friggin 30-30. Any Remington 700BDL in .270 will make that shot all day with an inexpensive scope from WalMart.

Anyway, I brought this here, where shooters reside, to hear some common sense discussion on the topic. Weapons and skill, not politics or ideology.

I have read that it was a 30.06 and AI seems to agree. Just what I've read.
The weapon recovered after the murder of Charlie Kirk was a high-powered Mauser .30-06 bolt-action rifle, found wrapped in a towel in a wooded area near the campus where the shooting occurred.

 

[Failzero]

If I was gonna get a rifle ( bolt Action ) I would like a Pre War Model 70 , as a collector gun more than a shooter .

 

[JGalt]

Huh.....What that tells me is you don't know your way around Type 99s very much.

My first "high powered" rifle was a Nagoya Type 99, hell, I groundhog and deer hunted with it for years. Dead balls accurate, I never remember missing what I was aiming at. My dad was always amazed at what I could do with that rife at distance.

LOL....As a kid I mowed many a yard to feed it....The gas station down the road kept 7.7 Jap. SP just for me.

I still have it too.....And a lordly supply of 7.7 ammo.....**** mowing yards.

I disagree. 6.5mm > 7.7 mm. It has less mass but shoots flatter.

Of course, it probably helped that the Type 38 I was using was the 31.4" barreled Type 38, as opposed to the 25.9" barreled Type 99. I still have the barreled receiver to that gun, with I hadn't parted it out and sold the bolt and stock on Ebay.

 

[1srelluc]

I have read that it was a 30.06 and AI seems to agree. Just what I've read.
The weapon recovered after the murder of Charlie Kirk was a high-powered Mauser .30-06 bolt-action rifle, found wrapped in a towel in a wooded area near the campus where the shooting occurred.

Most .mil rifles of the era were chambered in calibers that closely matched the performance of the .30-06, at least as judged by US shooters. It was sort of the standard back then.

Now a .308 is considered a "battle rifle" chambering such as for the M14, G3, FAL. etc.

Intermediate cartridges starting with 8mm Kurtz changed all that.

 

[1srelluc]

I disagree. 6.5mm > 7.7 mm. It has less mass but shoots flatter.

Of course, it probably helped that the Type 38 I was using was the 31.4" barreled Type 38, as opposed to the 25.9" barreled Type 99. I still have the barreled receiver to that gun, with I hadn't parted it out and sold the bolt and stock on Ebay.

LOL....I bet I have several Type 38 barreled actions stuck down in a 16gal metal bucket.....Same deal, I parted them out if they had crappy bores. I never did care for the Type 38 except in carbine length.

 

[Concerned American]

Now a .308 is considered a "battle rifle" chambering such as for the M14, G3, FAL. etc.

M-14 was standard issue when I enlisted in 1968. I really liked that rifle and have always thought I'd like to add one to my collection. I have a couple of .308s but I don't like either as much as I liked that M-14.

 

[1srelluc]

M-14 was standard issue when I enlisted in 1968. I really liked that rifle and have always thought I'd like to add one to my collection. I have a couple of .308s but I don't like either as much as I liked that M-14.

It's odd, I've had several M1As over the years and sold/traded-off each one. They look cool as hell but are ungainly.....I'm a FAL man as far as .308 "battle rifles" go.

 

[JGalt]

Most .mil rifles of the era were chambered in calibers that closely matched the performance of the .30-06, at least as judged by US shooters. It was sort of the standard back then.

Now a .308 is considered a "battle rifle" chambering such as for the M14, G3, FAL. etc.

Intermediate cartridges starting with 8mm Kurtz changed all that.

The post WW2 era was good time for experimenting with new calibers. I have a first-edition copy of Parker O. Ackley's book "Handbook for Shooters and Reloaders." P.O Ackley was was a genius when it came to combining bullets with cases and powders that nobody had tried before, and was a pioneer in developing "wildcat" cartridges.. His book has load data for 335 different wildcat and "improved" cartridges he came up with. The guy was simply amazing. Nobody ever though of necking down a large-capacity case to smaller caliber bullets before him, many of which are still in use today.

 

[Chuz Life]

That particular gene pool produced wide/heavy racks and short brow tines. If memory serves they were only about 5" long....All were 200#+ bucks which is uncommon in my AO.

Here's one I killed on the same mountain (different stand) early in ML season the same year....10-point, 21.50" inside spread.


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LOL....The little basket rack next to it was my dad's first deer. He killed it in 1942 when he was 9.

That was considered a "big" rack back then as deer were scarce.

Beautiful pic. Love the lever action. Marlin?

 

[Invisibleflash]

Due to the tendency for discussions to devolve into meaningless nonsense in the Politics and Current Events areas, I wanted some talk among actual shooters about the topic. Yes, this is spurred by the assassination shot two days ago.

We are told that the range was two hundred yards or so. That the assassin used a high powered rifle and that is what it would take, oh that it had to be a professional hitter to make it.

We know better. 200 yards is a little far, but doable, for a friggin 30-30. Any Remington 700BDL in .270 will make that shot all day with an inexpensive scope from WalMart.

Anyway, I brought this here, where shooters reside, to hear some common sense discussion on the topic. Weapons and skill, not politics or ideology.

Depends on the scope. Iron sights is too far for me for neck size targets. But I'm old and eyes are not great. Did they find the scope?

 

[JWBooth]

Depends on the scope. Iron sights is too far for me for neck size targets. But I'm old and eyes are not great. Did they find the scope?

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I’m reasonably sure it was intended as a head shot and the shooter did not account for the downward angle.

 

[Chuz Life]

M-14 was standard issue when I enlisted in 1968. I really liked that rifle and have always thought I'd like to add one to my collection. I have a couple of .308s but I don't like either as much as I liked that M-14.

I love the M-14.

The Marines were just getting the heavier bbl A2's when I enlisted and the "Humvees" just before I got out. I never bought a heavy BBL upper, though I could have if I really wanted one. Same for the Hummer. I did get an M-14 once.

Long before that boating accident on that pond, lake, lagoon or whatever it was.

Thank you for your service.

Semper Fi.

 

[Chuz Life]

Depends on the scope. Iron sights is too far for me for neck size targets. But I'm old and eyes are not great. Did they find the scope?

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The scope is shown on the rifle as it was found.

Looks like a Simmons or Tasco, but they most all from the 80-90's look the same.

Edit. I just noticed how far back in the scope rings that scope is mounted. For someone with a weird check rest, really bad eyesight? Not much eye relief.

PS. where did the freaking cardboard box come from? Did the cops just grab one up - when they knew they were going to where the thought the gun was hidden (as the tranny roommate told them about it?)

PSS. How do we have so much information on this Antifa-Tard and still NOTHING on Crooks, who tried to take out Trump?

 

[JWBooth]

M-14 was standard issue when I enlisted in 1968. I really liked that rifle and have always thought I'd like to add one to my collection. I have a couple of .308s but I don't like either as much as I liked that M-14.

We had them on the ship and I was assigned to the ship’s security detail. We had to familiarization fire them off the fantail every so often. Them, some badly worn 1911s, and a couple of M60s. Rock and roll from the hip with it hanging from a strap.
Would have been 77-80.

 

[Chuz Life]

We had them on the ship and I was assigned to the ship’s security detail. We had to familiarization fire them off the fantail every so often. Them, some badly worn 1911s, and a couple of M60s. Rock and roll from the hip with it hanging from a strap.

I still have a very faded scar from doing a hot BBL swap on an M60. When it was my turn, I shot it in the off hand, no sights, just started low and walked the thing up to the target by watching the points of impact.

 

[Chuz Life]

I’m reasonably sure it was intended as a head shot and the shooter did not account for the downward angle.

Or center mass, and he hit high.

We may never know for sure.

 

[Concerned American]

We had them on the ship and I was assigned to the ship’s security detail. We had to familiarization fire them off the fantail every so often. Them, some badly worn 1911s, and a couple of M60s. Rock and roll from the hip with it hanging from a strap.
Would have been 77-80.

I was the automatic rifleman in my squad during Infantry Training so my rifle had a selector switch. I asked the "instructor" in one of the holes if I could fire it full auto and he said "yeah." Unbeknownst to me is he was a fresh boot awaiting orders and just filling a spot. Long story short, I flipped the switch and fired it off hand. LOL, after the 4th or 5th round, the barrel had risen fully a foot and a half. Every PMI on the range was running for that hole. I explained that I had been allowed to fire it. They asked the kid in the hole and of course he denied it. As a result I got my ass beat royally. LOL, live and learn.

 

[Chuz Life]

Shooters are going to love this. I wish I could find the video and link to it, but in one of the videos I watched, the commentator said that Robinson removed the scope (had it in the backpack) and the Barrel from the Mauser before getting to the roof. Then somehow, the 22 year ol antifa-tard reassembled it before the shooting.

(remember, one shot kill)

(My ******* sides and cheeks are hurting from trying not to laugh as I write this, not about the killing but about the retarded commentor's claims)

I thought you might enjoy a good laugh too.

If anyone finds the link, please share it.

 

[Chuz Life]

If I was gonna get a rifle ( bolt Action ) I would like a Pre War Model 70 , as a collector gun more than a shooter .

I was using my old Savage 110 tactical as a fishing rod on that day of the horrible boating accident, somewhere before I lost it. . . must have been a really big fish, pulled it right out of my hands. . . .

If I ever upgrade or replace it. . . I'm longing for one with a fluted BBL. Black or stainless. Don't really care.