A Challenge

[sparky]

Yes. The moolahs. Of course.

There is no making peace with folks who's religmo politics believe you are less than human Chuz

~S~

 

[sparky]

How on God's green earth will China benefit by paying higher prices for their oil, as they are currently getting none from Iran. Please explain!

It's about who controls the medium of exchange globally Admiral

~S~

 

[Chuz Life]

There is no making peace with folks who's religmo politics believe you are less than human Chuz

~S~

Nope.

No chance for peace with a regime that slaughters tens of thousands of their own people for daring to protest against their oppressors in the streets.

 

[eagle1462010]

Uh,.. No. Don't you get the news, where you live? The straits are closed.
If you simply cannot get the news, for whatever reason, simply pay attention to the gas pumps. When the price drops a dollar, you will know they are back open.

Um never heard that iran had floating ammo dumps it the Straits.

Oh No. Lions Tigers and Bears. I think I Just pissed myself

 

[sparky]

Nope.

No chance for peace with a regime that slaughters tens of thousands of their own people for daring to protest against their oppressors in the streets.

yes they've no respect for humanity, including their own Chuz ~S~

 

[Chuz Life]

How on God's green earth will China benefit by paying higher prices for their oil, as they are currently getting none from Iran. Please explain!

I meant long-term.

That said, if I were to be allowed to advise Trump, I would advise Trump to get oil for China AND the U.S. from other sources, until the Strait is reopened.

It is Bullshit that U.S. prices are being affected when we don't even get our crude from there.

The gouging needs to be thoroughly investigated.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It's about who controls the medium of exchange globally Admiral

~S~

Exactly, so China is not benefitted a damned bit, are they?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I meant long-term.

That said, if I were to be allowed to advise Trump, I would advise Trump to get oil for China AND the U.S. from other sources, until the Strait is reopened.

It is Bullshit that U.S. prices are being affected when we don't even get our crude from there.

The gouging needs to be thoroughly investigated.

You really are a true dumbass who knows nothing about oil production. ******* hopeless is what you are until you start understanding that oil is a world commodity.

 

[White 6]

Working on your PhD in TDS? There is not a poster on this forum that is more full of anti-American hatred than you. You should be ashamed.

Iran only controls the Strait through random potshots at ships not even transiting the strait. If the ship's are escorted, nothing happens.

Seems to be enough to keep the straits closed, and far cheaper and safer than trying to control the straits with any other means. The cost efficiency compared to our methods to defeat the missiles and drones or even drone swarms is amazing, literally pennies (or Rials) on the dollar, as the missiles we use to intercept run $400,000 to $4 Million, and we have to defeat them all, where they only need one to get through.

Yes, the Strait of Hormuz remains largely closed to most commercial traffic, with only a few vessels able to transit due to ongoing tensions and blockades from both the U.S. and Iran. The situation has resulted in a significant reduction in shipping activity, with traffic down to about 3.6% of normal levels.
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[eagle1462010]

Seems to be enough to keep the straits closed, and far cheaper and safer than trying to control the straits with any other means. The cost efficiency compared to our methods to defeat the missiles and drones or even drone swarms is amazing, literally pennies (or Rials) on the dollar, as the missiles we use to intercept run $400,000 to $4 Million, and we have to defeat them all, where they only need one to get through.

Yes, the Strait of Hormuz remains largely closed to most commercial traffic, with only a few vessels able to transit due to ongoing tensions and blockades from both the U.S. and Iran. The situation has resulted in a significant reduction in shipping activity, with traffic down to about 3.6% of normal levels.
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So we should just get on our knees and kiss their ass. I dont think so.

Personally we need to go back to finishing their sorry asses off.

This waiting for their economy to cause Revolution is taking too long

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Seems to be enough to keep the straits closed, and far cheaper and safer than trying to control the straits with any other means. The cost efficiency compared to our methods to defeat the missiles and drones or even drone swarms is amazing, literally pennies (or Rials) on the dollar, as the missiles we use to intercept run $400,000 to $4 Million, and we have to defeat them all, where they only need one to get through.

Yes, the Strait of Hormuz remains largely closed to most commercial traffic, with only a few vessels able to transit due to ongoing tensions and blockades from both the U.S. and Iran. The situation has resulted in a significant reduction in shipping activity, with traffic down to about 3.6% of normal levels.
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We don't use missiles to intercept their boats. Machine gun bullets are cheap.

 

[Moonglow]

Have a listen to what Marco Rubio says in this clip:

A nuclear-armed Iran would be a never-ending threat to the world's economy by seizing control of the Strait of Hormuz, and nobody would be able to do anything about it because of that nuclear threat.



Just a simple poll and thread to see if we can all agree on this one basic premise.

The challenge is for those who answer "false" to support their answer with an equally compelling argument.

Not if the world stopped buying Iranian oil.

 

[Moonglow]

We don't use missiles to intercept their boats. Machine gun bullets are cheap.

From an A-10, probably a canon shot or two.

 

[sparky]

Exactly, so China is not benefitted a damned bit, are they?

I'm sitting on the fence with that Admiral , realizing i've a sophomoric view of resources equating to economic dominance......~S~

 

[TimFitz]

They can apparently control the straits of Hormuz without nuclear capability, which trump and Rubio say they do not have, and Rubio has said, not even progressing toward it by continued enrichment, since the first attack on their program sites, last summer.

I sleep well. Iran's nuclear program does not keep me up, any. I am concerned about their mass drone capabilities to conventionally control the straits. The US Government needs to be talking with Ukraine about drone, counter drone operations.

they’re controlling the Straits of Hormuz NOW, without a nuclear weapon!

 

[White 6]

So we should just get on our knees and kiss their ass. I dont think so.

Personally we need to go back to finishing their sorry asses off.

This waiting for their economy to cause Revolution is taking too long

At 6,000 miles distance, no nuclear capability and their longest range rockets only having 1,242 mile range, no intercontinental ballistic capability whatsoever. They posed little to no credible threat to us, so I was not worried about them, in the first place, and you shouldn't have been either. I simply would not have started a war with them, in the first place. Though, I certainly would not have stood in Israel's way. But, we have done enough for Israel, in my opinion, giving them $21.7 Billion in military aid and agreeing to sell them $10s of Billions in military hardware, including advance air refueling capability of their own, specifically so they have the capability to reach Iranian territory and return (the only thing that had been holding them back) without asking for air refuel support. These are known things, distances, Dollar$, etc. Nobody in their right mind, thought we should start a war, to kill a future possible capability, our own president said had been obliterated, and our intelligence services confirmed, no enrichment taking place since last summer's attack, all to try to get as much of an agreement as Obama had, without a new war, until Trump walked away from it, signaling the go ahead to go into accelerated enrichment. The whole idea is preposterous.

 

[Lockback]

The US Government needs to be talking with Ukraine about drone, counter drone operations.

I'm quite sure they are.
They're not as dumb as you think.

 

[White 6]

they’re controlling the Straits of Hormuz NOW, without a nuclear weapon!

Absolutely True.

 

[TimFitz]

Israel could have handled it with no manpower from the US.

If we had just let them handle it, the price of gas would still be below 3 a gallon, the 50,000 troops we have over there would be elsewhere and out of harms way; we would not have lost 13 (at least) troops; we would have had hundreds of fewer wounded soldiers, we wouldn't have spent tens of billions of dollars accomplishing nothing.

They had no intention of going alone. For decades, Isreal has repeatedly tried to drag the United States in a proxy war with Iran. Netanyahu made the same pitch to Clinton, Bush, Obama,and Biden.

Trump was the fool who fell for it.

Isreal had no intention offsetting involved, beyond a few missile strikes during the first week. Since then, they have stepped back, leaving it up to the guy they suckered into it,while starting their own war in Lebanon (another for the first time there either)

 

[eagle1462010]

At 6,000 miles distance, no nuclear capability and their longest range rockets only having 1,242 mile range, no intercontinental ballistic capability whatsoever. They posed little to no credible threat to us, so I was not worried about them, in the first place, and you shouldn't have been either. I simply would not have started a war with them, in the first place. Though, I certainly would not have stood in Israel's way. But, we have done enough for Israel, in my opinion, giving them $21.7 Billion in military aid and agreeing to sell them $10s of Billions in military hardware, including advance air refueling capability of their own, specifically so they have the capability to reach Iranian territory and return (the only thing that had been holding them back) without asking for air refuel support. These are known things, distances, Dollar$, etc. Nobody in their right mind, thought we should start a war, to kill a future possible capability, our own president said had been obliterated, and our intelligence services confirmed, no enrichment taking place since last summer's attack, all to try to get as much of an agreement as Obama had, without a new war, until Trump walked away from it, signaling the go ahead to go into accelerated enrichment. The whole idea is preposterous.

BS

They been killing our people for a long time.

You know that.

Had we done nothing they would have mass launched missiles when they had maybe 300000 or 400000

Israel isnt stupid. Neither is Trump
Was time to bust their asses up