A Challenge

[22lcidw]

Today, the world can throttle Iran's desire to control the Strait without worry that Iran might drop a nuke (most likely on Israel),

Let Iran build, and saber-rattle with nukes as their backup, and I think the dynamic shifts to something more like we see with North Korea.

Imagine if North Korea had access to an international waterway, like Iran has.

I don't think the world can afford to risk Iran having that ability or power.

Options would be canals built and massive pipelines to bypass the Strait of Hormuz. Put on the fast track.

 

[Chuz Life]

Options would be canals built and massive pipelines to bypass the Strait of Hormuz. Put on the fast track.

I hope that's already in the works!

 

[candycorn]

See what this chat’s about

Open this chat to take a look.

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No thanks.

If you have something to say...say it.

 

[sparky]

I don't think the world can afford to risk Iran having that ability or power.

more the insane mullahs in Iran Chuz....

You're a slave to it and controlled by it.

One man' terrorist is another's freedom fighter these days Jackson........

My question is, what kind of Iran and Iranian government is really in the best interest of China?

One who's mutual interests align

If the US or Israel attempt to stop shipping of oil from Iran via a Chinese tanker, we shall see.

reports are the Iranians have created a path through the 'stans' to China Mr B

~S~

 

[gipper]

China is an interesting factor/ component in how the future of Iran is to play out. 100%

My question is, what kind of Iran and Iranian government is really in the best interest of China?

A nuke-armed dictatorship that wants to wield its power to someday wipe anyone who is not a Muslim off the face of the Earth? Or a self-governed Iran that uses its vast resources of oil to participate in the world economy, without the need or want to threaten or eliminate its neighbors for differences of religious beliefs?

China could get oil from either one.

It's going to be interesting to see if Trump can convince China that the non-nuclear, self-governed Iran is in China's (and the rest of the world's) best interest.

Iran could have had nukes long ago, if they wanted to. If you don’t know that, you’re uninformed.

Iran is not a dictatorship. Yet another thing you have failed to comprehend. Does it have a shitty government? Of course, but we all do.

 

[sparky]

Iran could have had nukes long ago, if they wanted to.

How do we know they don't Gip?

~S~

 

[gipper]

How do we know they don't Gip?

~S~

The supreme leader Trump murdered in cold blood the first day, had a fatwa in place for years prohibiting nuclear weapons. They would be crazy not to develop one now, after being attacked by Israel and the US.

 

[Chuz Life]

more the insane mullahs in Iran Chuz....

One man' terrorist is another's freedom fighter these days Jackson........

One who's mutual interests align

reports are the Iranians have created a path through the 'stans' to China Mr B

~S~

Yes. The moolahs. Of course.

 

[Chuz Life]

Iran could have had nukes long ago, if they wanted to. If you don’t know that, you’re uninformed.

Ok.

I'll pretend there was no monitoring, spying, intelligence gathering, etc. going on.

Better?

Iran is not a dictatorship. Yet another thing you have failed to comprehend. Does it have a shitty government? Of course, but we all do.

Religo fascist/ Dictatorship

Why the need for hair splitting on that?

 

[Chuz Life]

The supreme leader Trump murdered in cold blood the first day, had a fatwa in place for years prohibiting nuclear weapons. They would be crazy not to develop one now, after being attacked by Israel and the US.

Hey guys, I found one of the very last people who still believed Iran wasn't enriching uranium for a nuke, even before this military action began.

 

[Chuz Life]

No thanks.

If you have something to say...say it.

It's too long.

And you aren't worth my time, it would take to get you up to speed.

 

[konradv]

Have a listen to what Marco Rubio says in this clip:

A nuclear-armed Iran would be a never-ending threat to the world's economy by seizing control of the Strait of Hormuz, and nobody would be able to do anything about it because of that nuclear threat.



Just a simple poll and thread to see if we can all agree on this one basic premise.

The challenge is for those who answer "false" to support their answer with an equally compelling argument.

Marco is an empty suit. Those shoulder pads aren’t fooling anyone.

 

[Chuz Life]

Funny, all this defense of Iran's obtaining nukes, and none here want to vote "false" in the poll.

 

[Chuz Life]

Marco is an empty suit. Those shoulder pads aren’t fooling anyone.

This you?

 

[gipper]

Hey guys, I found one of the very last people who still believed Iran wasn't enriching uranium for a nuke, even before this military action began.

Lol. You’re uninformed. So typical.

Shut off the tv.

 

[alang1216]

The challenge is for those who answer "false" to support their answer with an equally compelling argument.

False. The only current threat to Hormuz is the nuclear-armed US. If Iran had a nuke we probably would not have bombed them and they would not have tried to close the strait. Nukes make a good defensive weapon but a poor offensive one. Just look how many conflicts we've had with Russian and Chinese proxies and not a single nuke was used. What Trump has done is make it obvious to the Iranian mullahs that their survival depends now on developing a nuke as fast as they can.

 

[Chuz Life]

False. The only current threat to Hormuz is the nuclear-armed US. If Iran had a nuke we probably would not have bombed them and they would not have tried to close the strait. Nukes make a good defensive weapon but a poor offensive one. Just look how many conflicts we've had with Russian and Chinese proxies and not a single nuke was used. What Trump has done is make it obvious to the Iranian mullahs that their survival depends now on developing a nuke as fast as they can.

Hi. Is there a historical record for when it was that Iran first ever threatened to close the Strait of Hormuz?

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[White 6]

Destroying there ammo and manufactoring sites doesnt counter it???

Uh,.. No. Don't you get the news, where you live? The straits are closed.
If you simply cannot get the news, for whatever reason, simply pay attention to the gas pumps. When the price drops a dollar, you will know they are back open.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

They can apparently control the straits of Hormuz without nuclear capability, which trump and Rubio say they do not have, and Rubio has said, not even progressing toward it by continued enrichment, since the first attack on their program sites, last summer.

I sleep well. Iran's nuclear program does not keep me up, any. I am concerned about their mass drone capabilities to conventionally control the straits. The US Government needs to be talking with Ukraine about drone, counter drone operations.

Working on your PhD in TDS? There is not a poster on this forum that is more full of anti-American hatred than you. You should be ashamed.

Iran only controls the Strait through random potshots at ships not even transiting the strait. If the ship's are escorted, nothing happens.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I don't think Trump needs or wants to stop Oil headed for China.

Except temporarily to affect the changes in Iran, which even China will benefit from.

How on God's green earth will China benefit by paying higher prices for their oil, as they are currently getting none from Iran. Please explain!