A 7-year-old told her bus driver she couldn’t wake her parents. Police found them dead at home.

[Conservative65]

Good riddance. People like this shouldn't have kids.
Though, the problem isn't drugs, but stupid people.

A practical example for abortion ... if Planned Parenthood counseling does not work.
The kids wind up suffering.

More like a practical example for sterilization.

Only if drug rehab does not work.

Who pays for the rehab?

Relatives.

As long as it's not the taxpayers.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

For more than a day, the 7-year-old girl had been trying to wake her parents.

Dutifully, she got dressed in their apartment outside Pittsburgh on Monday morning and went to school, keeping her worries to herself. But on the bus ride home, McKeesport, Pa., police say, she told the driver she’d been unable to rouse the adults in her house.

Inside the home, authorities found the bodies of Christopher Dilly, 26, and Jessica Lally, 25, dead of suspected drug overdoses, according to police.

Also inside the home were three other children — ages 5 years, 3 years and 9 months.

The children were unharmed but still taken to a hospital to be checked out, then placed with the county’s department of children, youth and families.

The case cast a light on Allegheny County’s epidemic of drug overdoses — and their impact on families.
A 7-year-old told her bus driver she couldn’t wake her parents. Police found them dead at home.

Where are you at that you have 3 children and do this crap? Dealing needs to be considered murder.

I'm sorry, but this sound pretty dumb for a 7 year old. It took her 2 days to alert anyone? A 4 or 5 year old I could see, but 7?

Children of such families are taught to never say anything about what goes on at home.

 

[eflatminor]

Dealing needs to be considered murder.

And if those "parents" deaths had come about because they drove a vehicle into a tree, shall we also charge the used car salesman with murder?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Agree. People don't die from pot. But using drugs should not involve a prison sentence. It should involve people being made to stay in rehab places until they are clean: NOT PRISON.

I don't know of any locked down rehabs. Secondly, it's all fun and games while you are getting clean but when you walk out the door, of either prison or a rehab, you are dealing with the real world again.

We should not be turning drug addicts into ex-cons. I agree there are not appropriate facilities as far as rehabs that lock people in. We need to put them into practice. It could be like a prison as far as locking them in, but instead of them being locked up with rapists and murderers, they would be locked up with the non-violent. There would be programs in this kind of place to get them on a new track as far as life skills w/o drug addiction.

Since many of them fly under the radar but are getting popped for theft sometimes that is not an option. Secondly, since much of rehabilitation will be dependent on some form of government funding which type of treatment works best for what? Well, we don't know because there is no requirement to keep records beyond 3 months which of course means there are a lot of "successful" types of treatments. So, without that requirement to collect data we have a billion dollar industry................and a lot of failure. Right now, there is no difference between prison with your free AA/NA meetings or whatever little program you have going on in prisons and forcing people into a rehab. Lastly, you have to want to quit.

People, places, things......

Government funding: we are already paying for them to be in prison. So government funding is not an issue. We should set up workshops in these facilities for them to learn a trade and they could sell the products to help pay for their upkeep there.

Prison is a WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT than a rehab situation. In a rehabilitation place you are not living among a lot of violent offenders. What if it was your son? Would you want him in a purely rehab environment or in a prison with violent offenders? Seriously? You think there's no difference?

People that commit crimes need to be in prison. If they want rehab, let them pay for it. In reality, the only time rehab can take place is when the one needing it makes the decision to do it. You and I can't make someone rehabilitate that doesn't want to do so no matter what we do.

If they get through the rehab and show that it has lasting effects, refund the money but have them invest in it first.

Rehab doesn't work.

 

[Conservative65]

I don't know of any locked down rehabs. Secondly, it's all fun and games while you are getting clean but when you walk out the door, of either prison or a rehab, you are dealing with the real world again.

We should not be turning drug addicts into ex-cons. I agree there are not appropriate facilities as far as rehabs that lock people in. We need to put them into practice. It could be like a prison as far as locking them in, but instead of them being locked up with rapists and murderers, they would be locked up with the non-violent. There would be programs in this kind of place to get them on a new track as far as life skills w/o drug addiction.

Since many of them fly under the radar but are getting popped for theft sometimes that is not an option. Secondly, since much of rehabilitation will be dependent on some form of government funding which type of treatment works best for what? Well, we don't know because there is no requirement to keep records beyond 3 months which of course means there are a lot of "successful" types of treatments. So, without that requirement to collect data we have a billion dollar industry................and a lot of failure. Right now, there is no difference between prison with your free AA/NA meetings or whatever little program you have going on in prisons and forcing people into a rehab. Lastly, you have to want to quit.

People, places, things......

Government funding: we are already paying for them to be in prison. So government funding is not an issue. We should set up workshops in these facilities for them to learn a trade and they could sell the products to help pay for their upkeep there.

Prison is a WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT than a rehab situation. In a rehabilitation place you are not living among a lot of violent offenders. What if it was your son? Would you want him in a purely rehab environment or in a prison with violent offenders? Seriously? You think there's no difference?

People that commit crimes need to be in prison. If they want rehab, let them pay for it. In reality, the only time rehab can take place is when the one needing it makes the decision to do it. You and I can't make someone rehabilitate that doesn't want to do so no matter what we do.

If they get through the rehab and show that it has lasting effects, refund the money but have them invest in it first.

Rehab doesn't work.

Unless the person needing it has decided they need it. The ONLY person that can change someone is that person not anyone else forcing things on them.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

We should not be turning drug addicts into ex-cons. I agree there are not appropriate facilities as far as rehabs that lock people in. We need to put them into practice. It could be like a prison as far as locking them in, but instead of them being locked up with rapists and murderers, they would be locked up with the non-violent. There would be programs in this kind of place to get them on a new track as far as life skills w/o drug addiction.

Since many of them fly under the radar but are getting popped for theft sometimes that is not an option. Secondly, since much of rehabilitation will be dependent on some form of government funding which type of treatment works best for what? Well, we don't know because there is no requirement to keep records beyond 3 months which of course means there are a lot of "successful" types of treatments. So, without that requirement to collect data we have a billion dollar industry................and a lot of failure. Right now, there is no difference between prison with your free AA/NA meetings or whatever little program you have going on in prisons and forcing people into a rehab. Lastly, you have to want to quit.

People, places, things......

Government funding: we are already paying for them to be in prison. So government funding is not an issue. We should set up workshops in these facilities for them to learn a trade and they could sell the products to help pay for their upkeep there.

Prison is a WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT than a rehab situation. In a rehabilitation place you are not living among a lot of violent offenders. What if it was your son? Would you want him in a purely rehab environment or in a prison with violent offenders? Seriously? You think there's no difference?

People that commit crimes need to be in prison. If they want rehab, let them pay for it. In reality, the only time rehab can take place is when the one needing it makes the decision to do it. You and I can't make someone rehabilitate that doesn't want to do so no matter what we do.

If they get through the rehab and show that it has lasting effects, refund the money but have them invest in it first.

Rehab doesn't work.

Unless the person needing it has decided they need it. The ONLY person that can change someone is that person not anyone else forcing things on them.

Once a person makes up their minds to get clean they don't need rehab. Rehab is supposed to convince the person to give up drugs.

The main problem with ordered rehab is that the person doesn't change their minds about drug use. Rehab isn't done for them, it's done to them to keep them from having a good time and exercising their freedom. When they get out the first thing they do is treat themselves to a massive hit, usually an overdose.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

For more than a day, the 7-year-old girl had been trying to wake her parents.

Dutifully, she got dressed in their apartment outside Pittsburgh on Monday morning and went to school, keeping her worries to herself. But on the bus ride home, McKeesport, Pa., police say, she told the driver she’d been unable to rouse the adults in her house.

Inside the home, authorities found the bodies of Christopher Dilly, 26, and Jessica Lally, 25, dead of suspected drug overdoses, according to police.

Also inside the home were three other children — ages 5 years, 3 years and 9 months.

The children were unharmed but still taken to a hospital to be checked out, then placed with the county’s department of children, youth and families.

The case cast a light on Allegheny County’s epidemic of drug overdoses — and their impact on families.
A 7-year-old told her bus driver she couldn’t wake her parents. Police found them dead at home.

Where are you at that you have 3 children and do this crap? Dealing needs to be considered murder.

I'm sorry, but this sound pretty dumb for a 7 year old. It took her 2 days to alert anyone? A 4 or 5 year old I could see, but 7?

It would be normal for a child living in an abusive home. Through years of physical abuse, beatings, threats, her parents flying into rages and warning her not to talk, her spirit was crushed. She wouldn't tell her teacher because her teacher would tell her parents (if and when they woke up) and she'd be in big trouble if the police showed up at her house. Telling the bus driver was the safe thing to do but it took her a while to get up the courage.

The parents died and both were in their 20's. It's a big lesson for abusive parents everywhere. If one is reading today, know this: God sees what you are doing. You may not be on drugs. You may just have a wicked temper and enjoy terrorizing your children. You may be into witchcraft and you feel it is your right to abuse children for power. You may have people fooled into believing that you deserve the mother of the year award. But God sees what you do behind closed doors. While you may still be alive reading this today, I've got news for you. God can take you out of this world in a New York minute and you'll find yourself in hell for all eternity for the harm you have done to His children.

If you say that you cannot help yourself then you need Jesus Christ and should seek out help at a Bible believing Church and talk to a Pastor about your problems but while you are getting yourself right with God - do the right thing and give your children to a safe family member who will love and protect the children - parents - aunts - uncles someone who you know cares about them.

Children are a gift from God. Anyone who harms a child would be better off hanging a millstone around their necks and casting themselves into the sea.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Since many of them fly under the radar but are getting popped for theft sometimes that is not an option. Secondly, since much of rehabilitation will be dependent on some form of government funding which type of treatment works best for what? Well, we don't know because there is no requirement to keep records beyond 3 months which of course means there are a lot of "successful" types of treatments. So, without that requirement to collect data we have a billion dollar industry................and a lot of failure. Right now, there is no difference between prison with your free AA/NA meetings or whatever little program you have going on in prisons and forcing people into a rehab. Lastly, you have to want to quit.

People, places, things......

Government funding: we are already paying for them to be in prison. So government funding is not an issue. We should set up workshops in these facilities for them to learn a trade and they could sell the products to help pay for their upkeep there.

Prison is a WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT than a rehab situation. In a rehabilitation place you are not living among a lot of violent offenders. What if it was your son? Would you want him in a purely rehab environment or in a prison with violent offenders? Seriously? You think there's no difference?

People that commit crimes need to be in prison. If they want rehab, let them pay for it. In reality, the only time rehab can take place is when the one needing it makes the decision to do it. You and I can't make someone rehabilitate that doesn't want to do so no matter what we do.

If they get through the rehab and show that it has lasting effects, refund the money but have them invest in it first.

Rehab doesn't work.

Unless the person needing it has decided they need it. The ONLY person that can change someone is that person not anyone else forcing things on them.

Once a person makes up their minds to get clean they don't need rehab. Rehab is supposed to convince the person to give up drugs.

The main problem with ordered rehab is that the person doesn't change their minds about drug use. Rehab isn't done for them, it's done to them to keep them from having a good time and exercising their freedom. When they get out the first thing they do is treat themselves to a massive hit, usually an overdose.

You're wrong. Teen Challenge is a Bible based rehab and there are tens of thousands of testimonies of graduates who are living drug free lives today and serving Jesus Christ. It is a wonderful program that accepts court ordered rehab people. Jesus Christ is the answer and Teen Challenge gives addicts the opportunity to hear the truth and be set free.

 

[Conservative65]

Dealing needs to be considered murder.

And if those "parents" deaths had come about because they drove a vehicle into a tree, shall we also charge the used car salesman with murder?

Government funding: we are already paying for them to be in prison. So government funding is not an issue. We should set up workshops in these facilities for them to learn a trade and they could sell the products to help pay for their upkeep there.

Prison is a WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT than a rehab situation. In a rehabilitation place you are not living among a lot of violent offenders. What if it was your son? Would you want him in a purely rehab environment or in a prison with violent offenders? Seriously? You think there's no difference?

People that commit crimes need to be in prison. If they want rehab, let them pay for it. In reality, the only time rehab can take place is when the one needing it makes the decision to do it. You and I can't make someone rehabilitate that doesn't want to do so no matter what we do.

If they get through the rehab and show that it has lasting effects, refund the money but have them invest in it first.

Rehab doesn't work.

Unless the person needing it has decided they need it. The ONLY person that can change someone is that person not anyone else forcing things on them.

Once a person makes up their minds to get clean they don't need rehab. Rehab is supposed to convince the person to give up drugs.

The main problem with ordered rehab is that the person doesn't change their minds about drug use. Rehab isn't done for them, it's done to them to keep them from having a good time and exercising their freedom. When they get out the first thing they do is treat themselves to a massive hit, usually an overdose.

You're wrong. Teen Challenge is a Bible based rehab and there are tens of thousands of testimonies of graduates who are living drug free lives today and serving Jesus Christ. It is a wonderful program that accepts court ordered rehab people. Jesus Christ is the answer and Teen Challenge gives addicts the opportunity to hear the truth and be set free.

Who pays for it?

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Dealing needs to be considered murder.

And if those "parents" deaths had come about because they drove a vehicle into a tree, shall we also charge the used car salesman with murder?

People that commit crimes need to be in prison. If they want rehab, let them pay for it. In reality, the only time rehab can take place is when the one needing it makes the decision to do it. You and I can't make someone rehabilitate that doesn't want to do so no matter what we do.

If they get through the rehab and show that it has lasting effects, refund the money but have them invest in it first.

Rehab doesn't work.

Unless the person needing it has decided they need it. The ONLY person that can change someone is that person not anyone else forcing things on them.

Once a person makes up their minds to get clean they don't need rehab. Rehab is supposed to convince the person to give up drugs.

The main problem with ordered rehab is that the person doesn't change their minds about drug use. Rehab isn't done for them, it's done to them to keep them from having a good time and exercising their freedom. When they get out the first thing they do is treat themselves to a massive hit, usually an overdose.

You're wrong. Teen Challenge is a Bible based rehab and there are tens of thousands of testimonies of graduates who are living drug free lives today and serving Jesus Christ. It is a wonderful program that accepts court ordered rehab people. Jesus Christ is the answer and Teen Challenge gives addicts the opportunity to hear the truth and be set free.

Who pays for it?

Teen Challenge has a program in which the person receiving the rehabilitation pays for it through various work programs. The program includes counseling, daily bible study, prayer meetings, church services and employment which they supervise and provide travel, etc. The person is fully supervised but pays for their own tuition. It's a wonderful program which has helped many people! The success rate is better than any secular rehab I've ever heard of. Which again proves that the answer is Jesus Christ.

 

[Conservative65]

Dealing needs to be considered murder.

And if those "parents" deaths had come about because they drove a vehicle into a tree, shall we also charge the used car salesman with murder?

Rehab doesn't work.

Unless the person needing it has decided they need it. The ONLY person that can change someone is that person not anyone else forcing things on them.

Once a person makes up their minds to get clean they don't need rehab. Rehab is supposed to convince the person to give up drugs.

The main problem with ordered rehab is that the person doesn't change their minds about drug use. Rehab isn't done for them, it's done to them to keep them from having a good time and exercising their freedom. When they get out the first thing they do is treat themselves to a massive hit, usually an overdose.

You're wrong. Teen Challenge is a Bible based rehab and there are tens of thousands of testimonies of graduates who are living drug free lives today and serving Jesus Christ. It is a wonderful program that accepts court ordered rehab people. Jesus Christ is the answer and Teen Challenge gives addicts the opportunity to hear the truth and be set free.

Who pays for it?

Teen Challenge has a program in which the person receiving the rehabilitation pays for it through various work programs. The program includes counseling, daily bible study, prayer meetings, church services and employment which they supervise and provide travel, etc. The person is fully supervised but pays for their own tuition. It's a wonderful program which has helped many people! The success rate is better than any secular rehab I've ever heard of. Which again proves that the answer is Jesus Christ.

I'm fine with that and encourage it.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

For more than a day, the 7-year-old girl had been trying to wake her parents.

Dutifully, she got dressed in their apartment outside Pittsburgh on Monday morning and went to school, keeping her worries to herself. But on the bus ride home, McKeesport, Pa., police say, she told the driver she’d been unable to rouse the adults in her house.

Inside the home, authorities found the bodies of Christopher Dilly, 26, and Jessica Lally, 25, dead of suspected drug overdoses, according to police.

Also inside the home were three other children — ages 5 years, 3 years and 9 months.

The children were unharmed but still taken to a hospital to be checked out, then placed with the county’s department of children, youth and families.

The case cast a light on Allegheny County’s epidemic of drug overdoses — and their impact on families.
A 7-year-old told her bus driver she couldn’t wake her parents. Police found them dead at home.

Where are you at that you have 3 children and do this crap? Dealing needs to be considered murder.

Very sad. I imagine it went something like this:

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I don't understand why the person who took this video didn't do anything but filming....
to me that's incredible... O_O

That's because you are obviously a caring person who would have done something about it,Esther. Sadly we live in a world where some people have cold hearts and you can see it by their actions / responses. Their mission in life is to convince others that there is "no hope," so why bother? It has to make you wonder how they sleep at night - truth be known - most of them don't. There is no rest for the wicked.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Dealing needs to be considered murder.

And if those "parents" deaths had come about because they drove a vehicle into a tree, shall we also charge the used car salesman with murder?

Unless the person needing it has decided they need it. The ONLY person that can change someone is that person not anyone else forcing things on them.

Once a person makes up their minds to get clean they don't need rehab. Rehab is supposed to convince the person to give up drugs.

The main problem with ordered rehab is that the person doesn't change their minds about drug use. Rehab isn't done for them, it's done to them to keep them from having a good time and exercising their freedom. When they get out the first thing they do is treat themselves to a massive hit, usually an overdose.

You're wrong. Teen Challenge is a Bible based rehab and there are tens of thousands of testimonies of graduates who are living drug free lives today and serving Jesus Christ. It is a wonderful program that accepts court ordered rehab people. Jesus Christ is the answer and Teen Challenge gives addicts the opportunity to hear the truth and be set free.

Who pays for it?

Teen Challenge has a program in which the person receiving the rehabilitation pays for it through various work programs. The program includes counseling, daily bible study, prayer meetings, church services and employment which they supervise and provide travel, etc. The person is fully supervised but pays for their own tuition. It's a wonderful program which has helped many people! The success rate is better than any secular rehab I've ever heard of. Which again proves that the answer is Jesus Christ.

I'm fine with that and encourage it.

I'm glad to hear you say that! There is something to be said for rehab participants paying for their own treatment / rehabilitation. People appreciate things in proportion to what they have to pay for it. What they get for free, they rarely appreciate or take good care of. Whatever they have to work for and pay for with their own money - they take good care of and appreciate.

 

[esthermoon]

So sad but so true Book of Jeremiah

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Teen Challenge is a success only to the religious cult operating it.

Investigating Teen Challenge: DID YOU HAVE A BAD EXPERIENCE AT TEEN CHALLENGE?

At best such cult based organizations replace the addiction with another crutch.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Good riddance. People like this shouldn't have kids.
Though, the problem isn't drugs, but stupid people.

A practical example for abortion ... if Planned Parenthood counseling does not work.
The kids wind up suffering.

Here I didn't think there would be anyone on this forum that was dumb enough to come to that specific wrong conclusion.

Look on the bright side, I'm not proven wrong very often.

 

[Conservative65]

Dealing needs to be considered murder.

And if those "parents" deaths had come about because they drove a vehicle into a tree, shall we also charge the used car salesman with murder?

Once a person makes up their minds to get clean they don't need rehab. Rehab is supposed to convince the person to give up drugs.

The main problem with ordered rehab is that the person doesn't change their minds about drug use. Rehab isn't done for them, it's done to them to keep them from having a good time and exercising their freedom. When they get out the first thing they do is treat themselves to a massive hit, usually an overdose.

You're wrong. Teen Challenge is a Bible based rehab and there are tens of thousands of testimonies of graduates who are living drug free lives today and serving Jesus Christ. It is a wonderful program that accepts court ordered rehab people. Jesus Christ is the answer and Teen Challenge gives addicts the opportunity to hear the truth and be set free.

Who pays for it?

Teen Challenge has a program in which the person receiving the rehabilitation pays for it through various work programs. The program includes counseling, daily bible study, prayer meetings, church services and employment which they supervise and provide travel, etc. The person is fully supervised but pays for their own tuition. It's a wonderful program which has helped many people! The success rate is better than any secular rehab I've ever heard of. Which again proves that the answer is Jesus Christ.

I'm fine with that and encourage it.

I'm glad to hear you say that! There is something to be said for rehab participants paying for their own treatment / rehabilitation. People appreciate things in proportion to what they have to pay for it. What they get for free, they rarely appreciate or take good care of. Whatever they have to work for and pay for with their own money - they take good care of and appreciate.

They have a stake in the game. When they don't have that stake, they're not out anything if they don't succeed and it tells me they may not be serious about rehabbing.
What you say about appreciating it and taking care of it if they have a stake in it is why I say social welfare programs can't work. Those using them aren't the ones funding them. As long as it's someone else's money, they have nothing to lose.

 

[Moonglow]

As long as politicians continue to push for decriminalization -- starting with pot -- the message sent is that recreational drug use is OK.
This story and the heroin epidemic in middle America are the inevitable result.

Pot is not a drug....Heroin is..Pot is a natural and not chemically increased in potency, like heroin...There is a difference..

Pot is a THC laden substance. It is essentially a drug. It can cause lifelong, life-altering anxiety and depression issues, especially in younger, developing brains. People who endorse it as benign in spite of its inherent dangers are irresponsibly reckless and ignorant.

Yea, just like religion....it has that sticky resin that causes life long changes to a persons character...

OK, so you're of the ignorant Ilk. Willfully.

Willfully you are eschewed with bias...

 

[PoliticalChic]

Good riddance. People like this shouldn't have kids.

Though, the problem isn't drugs, but stupid people.

Yup!

Values and attitude.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

As long as politicians continue to push for decriminalization -- starting with pot -- the message sent is that recreational drug use is OK.
This story and the heroin epidemic in middle America are the inevitable result.

These people didn't die of a pot overdose. Nobody does. And I'm okay with recreational drug use if children aren't involved and the drug is not known to make people excessively violent. It doesn't mean it's good; but govt. needs to protect freedom, not restrict it.

Agree. People don't die from pot. But using drugs should not involve a prison sentence. It should involve people being made to stay in rehab places until they are clean: NOT PRISON.

I don't know of any locked down rehabs. Secondly, it's all fun and games while you are getting clean but when you walk out the door, of either prison or a rehab, you are dealing with the real world again.

We should not be turning drug addicts into ex-cons. I agree there are not appropriate facilities as far as rehabs that lock people in. We need to put them into practice. It could be like a prison as far as locking them in, but instead of them being locked up with rapists and murderers, they would be locked up with the non-violent. There would be programs in this kind of place to get them on a new track as far as life skills w/o drug addiction.

But don't you think the threat of incarceration would work to deter potential drug addicts from becoming addicts? Speeding cameras work.