Man Retired With $4M Told Wife To 'Pretend We Are Dead Broke'

I don't recall any 85%. I'll look again. Is that California's state tax from re counting SS income?


No that is federal. CA uses FED AGI as a "starting point" i rhink. Other states do also.

If you have any meaningful income to live above SS, 85% of your SS becomes income too.

Pretty sure on that. If you live on $3K per month SS only. Most is wiped out married joint std deduction $31500 anyways.

The whole thing is still far too complicated. I tried once or twice to look into that SS schedule and it is a mess!!! But I dont seen to have it wrong based on internet searches agree with me.
 
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Taxable table for SS benefits.

Filing StatusCombined Income RangeTaxable Portion of Benefits
Single, Head of Household, or Married Filing Separately (living apart)Under $25,0000%
Single, Head of Household, or Married Filing Separately (living apart)$25,001 – $34,000Up to 50%
Single, Head of Household, or Married Filing Separately (living apart)Over $34,000Up to 85%
Married Filing JointlyUnder $32,0000%
Married Filing Jointly$32,001 – $44,000Up to 50%
Married Filing JointlyOver $44,000Up to 85%
Married Filing Separately (living together)Any incomeUp to 85%
 
Federal taxes based on income.

Single, Head of Household, or Qualifying Widow(er):
Under $25,000: Not Taxable.
$25,000 – $34,000: Up to 50% taxable.
Over $34,000: Up to 85% taxable.

Married Filing Jointly:
Under $32,000: Not Taxable.
$32,000 – $44,000: Up to 50% taxable.
Over $44,000: Up to 85% taxable.

WW

Social security income doesn't full count on the Federal form, and this year none of it counts toward your income. And you still get the increased personal deduction for the elderly, don't recall the additional amount, somewhere like $1,500-$2,500 additional. I haven't done mine yet since not much of it is reportable and the little that is doesn't top $14K.
 
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Federal taxes based on income.

Single, Head of Household, or Qualifying Widow(er):
Under $25,000: Not Taxable.
$25,000 – $34,000: Up to 50% taxable.
Over $34,000: Up to 85% taxable.

Married Filing Jointly:
Under $32,000: Not Taxable.
$32,000 – $44,000: Up to 50% taxable.
Over $44,000: Up to 85% taxable.

WW

Read the tax forms. SS is not fully reported towards income.
 
Social security income doesn't full count on the Federal form, and this year none of it counts toward your income.

This is incorrect.

Yes, if you have income over the threshold previously posted then SS is taxed at 50% or 85%.

You may be confusing that temporary OBBB additional Senior deduction of $6,000 which is addition to the $2,000 standard Senior Deduction ($8,000 total). Double those for married filing jointly.

And you still get the increased personal deduction for the elderly, don't recall the additional amount, somewhere like $1,500-$2,500 additional. I haven't done mine yet since not much of it is reportable and the little that is doesn't top $14K.

If your taxable income is truley less than $14,000 a year in addition to SS security. With the senior deductions you should have anything to worry about.

WW
 
Read the tax forms. SS is not fully reported towards income.

Yes, it is fully reported towards income as part of Gross Income which is the amounted listed on your SSA-1099. The percentage counting is a function of Adjusted Gross Income is a different matter.

WW
 
This is incorrect.

Yes, if you have income over the threshold previously posted then SS is taxed at 50% or 85%.

You may be confusing that temporary OBBB additional Senior deduction of $6,000 which is addition to the $2,000 standard Senior Deduction ($8,000 total). Double those for married filing jointly.



If your taxable income is truley less than $14,000 a year in addition to SS security. With the senior deductions you should have anything to worry about.

WW

This is incorrect.

Yes, if you have income over the threshold previously posted then SS is taxed at 50% or 85%.

You may be confusing that temporary OBBB additional Senior deduction of $6,000 which is addition to the $2,000 standard Senior Deduction ($8,000 total). Double those for married filing jointly.



If your taxable income is truley less than $14,000 a year in addition to SS security. With the senior deductions you should have anything to worry about.

WW

I have a trust and an S corporation, which are reported and taxed separately, according to how much I leave in them and how much I pay myself from the S corp., which minimizes what goes in my 1040.
 
I have a trust and an S corporation, which are reported and taxed separately, according to how much I leave in them and how much I pay myself from the S corp., which minimizes what goes in my 1040.

Which is consistent with what I said.

The trust and S Corp are separate taxable entities.

WW
 
A VERY interesting article about intelligence, diligence, capitalization rates and success rates.
VERY VERY interesting.

 
A 51-year-old systems engineer said he and his 52-year-old wife, a former registered nurse, recently stepped back from full-time work with $4 million in savings. He still works fewer than 20 hours a week on contract. She is fully retired.

Before that shift, he set a rule.

"I've also made it clear to my wife to never tell my family we have money and to pretend that we are dead broke," he said.

The reason, he added, has been consistent for years. "My family won't stop asking for money."

He said the issue wasn't a one-time ask. It was a pattern.

"My mom, dad and brother are terrible with money."

According to his post, his father and brother worked in oil and gas, bringing in strong income during good years but facing layoffs in others. He said the problem wasn't just the income swings, but what happened during the high-earning periods.

"They have never save anything so they run up credit cards to pay for everything."

Over time, his parents repeatedly borrowed against their home. After 35 years, he said they have barely reduced the balance.

"They should be retired by cant," he wrote, adding that his father is now working again in his 70s as a school bus driver "because they have so much debt and no money."

From his perspective, that history made the outcome predictable if his family knew he had money.

The decision to act "dead broke" came from experience, not theory.

When his family saw vacation photos in the past, "they found out via facebook… And came knocking for money."

To avoid that cycle, he and his wife downplayed their finances and stuck to a consistent story. At one point, they even said they had won money but already spent it.

Her side of the family, he said, knows they are doing well but "never ask for money." His side, he said, reacts differently.

So when they reached partial retirement, they kept the same approach.

"I didn't tell them because I know the results are they would just ask as for money constantly".


Never discuss personal finances with family. Not even your kids. Especially grown kids (young adults). Teach them about finances but never tell them about yours.

Tell them:

When I was young I was poor.....After a lifetime of hard work I am no longer young. ;)
You have to do that with a woman or they will run you into the poor house.
Most women manage their finances like a drunken sailor.
 
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