A 7-year-old told her bus driver she couldn’t wake her parents. Police found them dead at home.

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Sometimes restrictions of accountability help people make prudent choices.

I'm sorry but I don't think "restrictions of accountability" makes any sense in or out of context.

So you don't believe drunk driving laws are an effective deterrent?

Drunk driving laws haven't stopped drunk drivers. According to gun nuts, no law is effective unless it's 100% effective.

You mean drunk drivers who are arrested and incarcerated still drive drunk while they're in jail? How do they do that?

you ever hear of the ones who are repeat drunk drivers?..

Drunk drivers in jail drive drunk again while they're in jail?

 

[Harry Dresden]

I'm sorry but I don't think "restrictions of accountability" makes any sense in or out of context.

So you don't believe drunk driving laws are an effective deterrent?

Drunk driving laws haven't stopped drunk drivers. According to gun nuts, no law is effective unless it's 100% effective.

You mean drunk drivers who are arrested and incarcerated still drive drunk while they're in jail? How do they do that?

you ever hear of the ones who are repeat drunk drivers?..

Drunk drivers in jail drive drunk again while they're in jail?

you know what im talking about....but then again you may not.....

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Drunk driving laws haven't stopped drunk drivers. According to gun nuts, no law is effective unless it's 100% effective.

You mean drunk drivers who are arrested and incarcerated still drive drunk while they're in jail? How do they do that?

you ever hear of the ones who are repeat drunk drivers?..

My ex husband has 8 OWIs.....and his license.

and he still has a license?...

Yep. It's all about hug a thugs and............the right attorney.

What is hug a thugs?

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

I'm sorry but I don't think "restrictions of accountability" makes any sense in or out of context.

So you don't believe drunk driving laws are an effective deterrent?

Did I say that? And what's the relevance?

I was providing an example of restrictions of accountability. You get drunk, your driving is restricted. Same concept for all drugs. Restricting behavior choices while intoxicated.

I don't know why you call it restrictions of accountability. The term sucks. People are accountable one way or another. And my point is not that any one should be allowed to be wreckless with another person's life, so you're example is null and void.

But you encourage free will where drug use is involved. The paradox is that the resulting altered state affects that free will. So restrictions to hold people accountable for resulting behavior need to be applied as a preventive measure. It can't be as libertarian as imagined.

That's not a paradox. That's life. My decision can be altered by whether I've ate lunch or not. Are we gonna outlaw lunch or not having lunch? It's simple; a person is free so long as they are not depriving others of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I know that the left wants us to be good little drones though (if and when we're not useful thugs creating the chaos they need to perpetuate their power).

And you keep calling this "libertarian" when in reality this is not so much a political philosophy as an evident component of freedom. We could live in a socialist society, and it would still be a tenant of individual freedom to not punish someone for mere self averse decisions.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Let them experience the consequences of their acts. Like having the children continue to live in the home with the dead bodies of their parents until those children understand, absolutely, what drug use leads to.

 

[eflatminor]

If you have a point, state it clearly man. Do you think we should treat adults engaged in consensual activity the same as someone that murders another person? Life in prison, the death penalty, etc., all on the table for a person that provided a product that another adult asked and paid for.

I say those parents made their own bed by purchasing and using a dangerous drug. I do not support equivocating the selling of that drug with murdering another person.

If you do, the yes, I've made that comparison. FAR more people die in automobile accidents than drug overdoses.

The comparison makes clear how monumentally stupid it is to suggest an adult that never hurt nor took from another should face murder charges.

Whatever your position, stop being childish and state it.

I stated my position in the OP. It stands.

Great, then by your logic, we can hold a car salesman guilty of murder if the guy who bought the car wraps himself around a tree.

That's some good thinking there pal...

Yea, pass.

No. I am the wrong chic to play hug a thug.

Biggest thug of them all, your local grocer. He's selling the junk food that leads to heart disease, for some parents anyway. Charge him with murder! Oh, and the guy that sells televisions is facilitating the sedentary lifestyle that also contributes to heart disease, our #1 killer. Off to prison he goes!

Again, pass.

Lucky for you, I don't care. I have little use for people who live in the abstract.

I understand.

 

[Disir]

You mean drunk drivers who are arrested and incarcerated still drive drunk while they're in jail? How do they do that?

you ever hear of the ones who are repeat drunk drivers?..

My ex husband has 8 OWIs.....and his license.

and he still has a license?...

Yep. It's all about hug a thugs and............the right attorney.

What is hug a thugs?

It's the concept that any individual committing crimes is just misunderstood. They don't need to be held accountable for their actions. They have or had, whichever the case may be, all of these redeeming qualities. What they really need is a hug....

 

[AvgGuyIA]

As long as politicians continue to push for decriminalization -- starting with pot -- the message sent is that recreational drug use is OK.
This story and the heroin epidemic in middle America are the inevitable result.

It is highly probable that these two parents started on marijuana.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Then heroin is just perfect. Rather than call it an overdose epidemic, call it a breakout of freedom.

Oh, well why don't we just enslave everyone and make sure they can never make a "bad choice" ever again. After all, it's for their own good.

Sometimes restrictions of accountability help people make prudent choices.

I'm sorry but I don't think "restrictions of accountability" makes any sense in or out of context.

So you don't believe drunk driving laws are an effective deterrent?

Drunk driving laws haven't stopped drunk drivers. According to gun nuts, no law is effective unless it's 100% effective.

Really? Nobody's ever decided to not drive home drunk because of the legal sanction?

Did you just say that stupid shit?

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

you ever hear of the ones who are repeat drunk drivers?..

My ex husband has 8 OWIs.....and his license.

and he still has a license?...

Yep. It's all about hug a thugs and............the right attorney.

What is hug a thugs?

It's the concept that any individual committing crimes is just misunderstood. They don't need to be held accountable for their actions. They have or had, whichever the case may be, all of these redeeming qualities. What they really need is a hug....

Yea, that theory holds little water for me. People know right from wrong, tbh.

 

[BULLDOG]

Oh, well why don't we just enslave everyone and make sure they can never make a "bad choice" ever again. After all, it's for their own good.

Sometimes restrictions of accountability help people make prudent choices.

I'm sorry but I don't think "restrictions of accountability" makes any sense in or out of context.

So you don't believe drunk driving laws are an effective deterrent?

Drunk driving laws haven't stopped drunk drivers. According to gun nuts, no law is effective unless it's 100% effective.

Really? Nobody's ever decided to not drive home drunk because of the legal sanction?

Did you just say that stupid shit?

Lots of people are on the road dunk right now.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

So you don't believe drunk driving laws are an effective deterrent?

Drunk driving laws haven't stopped drunk drivers. According to gun nuts, no law is effective unless it's 100% effective.

You mean drunk drivers who are arrested and incarcerated still drive drunk while they're in jail? How do they do that?

you ever hear of the ones who are repeat drunk drivers?..

Drunk drivers in jail drive drunk again while they're in jail?

you know what im talking about....but then again you may not.....

Then you didn't get what I posted before that.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Sometimes restrictions of accountability help people make prudent choices.

I'm sorry but I don't think "restrictions of accountability" makes any sense in or out of context.

So you don't believe drunk driving laws are an effective deterrent?

Drunk driving laws haven't stopped drunk drivers. According to gun nuts, no law is effective unless it's 100% effective.

Really? Nobody's ever decided to not drive home drunk because of the legal sanction?

Did you just say that stupid shit?

Lots of people are on the road dunk right now.

Dunk, eh? You must be one of them.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Drunk driving laws haven't stopped drunk drivers. According to gun nuts, no law is effective unless it's 100% effective.

You mean drunk drivers who are arrested and incarcerated still drive drunk while they're in jail? How do they do that?

you ever hear of the ones who are repeat drunk drivers?..

Drunk drivers in jail drive drunk again while they're in jail?

you know what im talking about....but then again you may not.....

Then you didn't get what I posted before that.

i quoted the wrong post,i was commenting on what you said here.......So you don't believe drunk driving laws are an effective deterrent?....

 

[Disir]

My ex husband has 8 OWIs.....and his license.

and he still has a license?...

Yep. It's all about hug a thugs and............the right attorney.

What is hug a thugs?

It's the concept that any individual committing crimes is just misunderstood. They don't need to be held accountable for their actions. They have or had, whichever the case may be, all of these redeeming qualities. What they really need is a hug....

Yea, that theory holds little water for me. People know right from wrong, tbh.

Most of them do. Mitigating circumstances one step too far. Unfortunately, there are several policy changes rolling out and propped up by the media which is funded, in many instances, by those lobbying for the policy changes and you will find this particularly true on the alleged left. Although when you follow the money it's coming from both sides.
It's why I argue, frequently, against people using statistics from 1994.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

and he still has a license?...

Yep. It's all about hug a thugs and............the right attorney.

What is hug a thugs?

It's the concept that any individual committing crimes is just misunderstood. They don't need to be held accountable for their actions. They have or had, whichever the case may be, all of these redeeming qualities. What they really need is a hug....

Yea, that theory holds little water for me. People know right from wrong, tbh.

Most of them do. Mitigating circumstances one step too far. Unfortunately, there are several policy changes rolling out and propped up by the media which is funded, in many instances, by those lobbying for the policy changes and you will find this particularly true on the alleged left. Although when you follow the money it's coming from both sides.
It's why I argue, frequently, against people using statistics from 1994.

Don't think we were really talking about this; but the globalist money is on Hillary's campaign.