61% Americans Say Abortions Should Be Legal!

[jc456]

Absolutely false.

it was ten years after Roe that "evangelicals" discovered the issue

oh for fk sake, your effort to lie is disingenuous at the least.

 

[Lesh]

The Religious Right and the Abortion Myth

White evangelicals in the 1970s didn’t initially care about abortion. They organized to defend racial segregation in evangelical institutions — and only seized on banning abortion because it was more palatable than their real goal.

www.politico.com

Abortion did not take hold among evangelicals until the eve of the 1980 presidential election, the result of assiduous promotion by Weyrich, Falwell and other leaders of the Religious Right following the 1978 midterms. In addition, although it was poorly received when it toured the country early in 1979, Frank Schaeffer’s anti-abortion film series Whatever Happened to the Human Race?, which featured his father, Francis A. Schaeffer, and C. Everett Koop, began finally to take root among evangelicals.

 

[jc456]

Cool then can we force men who refuse to pay child support to get vasectomies too.

that's what we should be doing indeed, stop the baby makers.

 

[jc456]

The Religious Right and the Abortion Myth

White evangelicals in the 1970s didn’t initially care about abortion. They organized to defend racial segregation in evangelical institutions — and only seized on banning abortion because it was more palatable than their real goal.

www.politico.com

that merely proves anyone can find anything on line.

 

[jc456]

I don't call a 1 week old fetus a baby

I do.

 

[Blues Man]

that's what we should be doing indeed, stop the baby makers.

So then we need to force all men to submit a DNA sample so that the state knows exactly who the father of every child is.

 

[jc456]

So then we need to force all men to submit a DNA sample so that the state knows exactly who the father of every child is.

completely, and let them in on the process. The fact that the baby's creator isn't involved is horrendous.

 

[Lesh]

The historical record is clear. In 1968, Christianity Today, the flagship magazine of evangelicalism, organized a conference with the Christian Medical Society to discuss the morality of abortion. The gathering attracted 26 heavyweight theologians from throughout the evangelical world, who debated the matter over several days and then issued a statement acknowledging the ambiguities surrounding the issue, which, they said, allowed for many different approaches.

“Whether the performance of an induced abortion is sinful we are not agreed,” the statement read, “but about the necessity of it and permissibility for it under certain circumstances we are in accord.”

 

[Blues Man]

completely, and let them in on the process. The fact that the baby's creator isn't involved is horrendous.

They will still have no say if the woman wants an abortion if abortion is legal

 

[Lesh]

The historical record is clear. In 1968, Christianity Today, the flagship magazine of evangelicalism, organized a conference with the Christian Medical Society to discuss the morality of abortion. The gathering attracted 26 heavyweight theologians from throughout the evangelical world, who debated the matter over several days and then issued a statement acknowledging the ambiguities surrounding the issue, which, they said, allowed for many different approaches.

“Whether the performance of an induced abortion is sinful we are not agreed,” the statement read, “but about the necessity of it and permissibility for it under certain circumstances we are in accord.”

 

[jc456]

They will still have no say if the woman wants an abortion if abortion is legal

moraly wrong.

 

[nomadic5]

Now the quite part Democrats don’t want to talk about out loud:

65% said abortion should usually be illegal in the second trimester, and 80% said that about the third trimester.

In other words, if Democrats are forced to fight for their actual position on abortion legislatively, they'll be demolished. Third-term abortions are an 80%-20% loser. Second-term abortions are a 65%-35% loser.

So... will Democrats fight for a federal abortion law promising people the right to an abortion in the first fifteen weeks of pregnancy? The period of time the current Mississippi law permits? The one they're claiming is a monstrosity that strips away women's rights?
BRING ON THE FIGHT!

AP-NORC poll: Most say restrict abortion after 1st trimester

A new poll shows a solid majority of Americans believe most abortions should be legal in the first three months of a woman’s pregnancy, but most say the procedure should usually be illegal in the second and third trimesters.

apnews.com

Didn't DeSantis pass a 6 WEEK limit?

I think I am voting for HIM

haven't decided but I am definitley leaning toward him

 

[jc456]

The historical record is clear. In 1968, Christianity Today, the flagship magazine of evangelicalism, organized a conference with the Christian Medical Society to discuss the morality of abortion. The gathering attracted 26 heavyweight theologians from throughout the evangelical world, who debated the matter over several days and then issued a statement acknowledging the ambiguities surrounding the issue, which, they said, allowed for many different approaches.

“Whether the performance of an induced abortion is sinful we are not agreed,” the statement read, “but about the necessity of it and permissibility for it under certain circumstances we are in accord.”

What about roman catholics and other christian organizations. Funny how you be cherry picking.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

I don't call a 1 week old fetus a baby

.



And I think I could count on one hand the number of people using this board who care about your opinion.

If you kicked the leftist bots out, that is.

But thanks for sharing your opinion.




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[Lesh]

Because evangelicals had considered abortion a Catholic issue until the late 1970s, they expressed little interest in the matter; Falwell, by his own admission, did not preach his first anti-abortion sermon until February 26, 1978, more than five years after Roe. During the midterm elections of 1978, however, antiabortion activists — Roman Catholics — leafleted church parking lots in four Senate races during the final weekend of the campaign: New Hampshire, Iowa and two races in Minnesota, one for the unexpired term of Walter Mondale, Carter’s vice president. Two days later, in an election with a very low turnout, anti-abortion Republicans defeated the favored Democratic candidates.

And that's how Republicans and evangelicals learned of POLITICAL power of this issue

 

[jc456]

The historical record is clear. In 1968, Christianity Today, the flagship magazine of evangelicalism, organized a conference with the Christian Medical Society to discuss the morality of abortion. The gathering attracted 26 heavyweight theologians from throughout the evangelical world, who debated the matter over several days and then issued a statement acknowledging the ambiguities surrounding the issue, which, they said, allowed for many different approaches.

“Whether the performance of an induced abortion is sinful we are not agreed,” the statement read, “but about the necessity of it and permissibility for it under certain circumstances we are in accord.”

What Is the Christian Perspective on the Roe v. Wade Decision?

Read What Is the Christian Perspective on the Roe v. Wade Decision? by Lori Stanley Roeleveld and more articles about Christian Life and Wiki on Christianity.com

www.christianity.com

 

[Blues Man]

moraly wrong.

Legally acceptable unless you want to reinstate slavery and remove the sovereignty people have over their own bodies

 

[Lesh]

What Is the Christian Perspective on the Roe v. Wade Decision?

Read What Is the Christian Perspective on the Roe v. Wade Decision? by Lori Stanley Roeleveld and more articles about Christian Life and Wiki on Christianity.com

www.christianity.com

Not one mention of any evangelicals campaigning against abortion prior to 1978

 

[Lord Long Rod]

61% of the Nazis say that Jews should be exterminated...

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Abortion has always been an issue since roe way. To suggest anything else is humorous.

23MAY30 NFBW: Grab some bench Mr jc456 The last paragraph explains why the evangelicals joined the anti-abortion “confederacy” when Carter was President.

According to the Christian’s “Holy Bible,” and the unerring word of the Christian’s almighty god, there is no “living being” until it takes “the breath of life.” That concept is repeated throughout the Christian bible. And, prior to the Heritage Foundation’s embrace of the Vatican encyclical on regulating women, one of the “most famous Christian fundamentalists of the 20th Century” followed the immutable word of his biblical god on when life begins. It was never at the moment of conception. It was and still is after a fetus leaves the womb and breathes of its own accord.​

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When the religious right was pro-choice evangelicals applauded Roe v Wade

Most American women are aware that there is a concerted Republican effort to eradicate their autonomy as free human beings; particularly to eliminate their right to self-determination regarding their own bodies. In fact, it is fair to say that...

m.dailykos.com

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The Southern Baptist Convention’s president at the time of the Roe ruling, Dallas First Baptist Church preacher W. A. Criswell, celebrated the 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling by taking the time to write that he was pleased.​

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“I have always felt that it was only after a child was born and had a life separate from its mother that it became an individual person, and it has always, therefore, seemed to me that what is best for the mother and for the future should be allowed.” (author bold)​

That assessment informs that even evangelical leaders were still reading their “Holy Bible” and attempting to follow the teachings of their “unerring god” prior to becoming agents of the Catholic Church in America.​

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To be fair, at the time of the Roe decision there were a few, very few, evangelical extremists who only mildly criticized the ruling. For the most part “the overwhelming response was silence, even approval.” In particular, evangelical fundamentalists “applauded the decision as an appropriate articulation of the division between church and state, and between personal morality and state regulation of individual behavior.” (author bold)​

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W. Barry Garrett wrote in the Baptist Press that, “Religious liberty, human equality and justice are advanced by the Supreme Court abortion decision.”​

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It is particularly noteworthy that nearly all evangelical fundamentalists regarded any and all opposition to Roe v. Wade a perverse Catholic issue; most were wholly indifferent to what choice a woman made concerning her own body.​

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During a symposium sponsored by the Christian Medical Society and the so-called “flagship magazine” of the entire evangelical movement, Christianity Today “refused to characterize abortion as sinful, citing individual health, family welfare, and social responsibility as adequate justifications for ending a pregnancy.” (author bold)​

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It took a full six years (1979) for the religious right leadership to abandon its pro-choice position and summarily obey the Vatican, the Heritage Foundation and its so-called “Moral Majority” founder Paul Weyrich. The religious right extremist Weyrich convinced evangelical clergy to “seize on abortion as a Republican cause célèbre and rallying cry to deny President Jimmy Carter a second term.” ​

The Christian opposition to President Carter was due to his threat to strip evangelicals’ tax exempt status if they continued actively supporting school segregation across the South. Sustaining and protecting segregated schools was a racial dog whistle and dependable electoral stratagem to elect Republicans in the former Confederacy.​

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Not one mention of any evangelicals campaigning against abortion prior to 1978