48%: The Democratic Party needs to face an ugly reality

[Ray From Cleveland]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

We'll see. I can make the argument that the moderates on the Democratic party side are the exact reason the party is in the position it's in. As you said, not enough of a contrast. On top of that, the older baby boomers in the party just don't seem to be able to fight a ground war against Trump and his supporters on their terms. And I lay the entire fault for that at the feet of the baby boomers that just will not leave and allow some fresh blood out front. Yes, I'll be consistent that I want to see both Republican and Democrat baby boomer politicians taking a hike. I think you would be surprised what we could get done as a country. The basic problem is that most of our country's problems can't be solved with soundbites, memes, gifs, and one or two word slogans. And that is the hallmark of right wing in this country. Unfortunately, it's what the Republican party has become.

Yeah, I keep a pretty close eye on the younger Dems, and I know they're pretty pissed right now. They saw Bernie get pushed out by the baby boomer Dems twice now, and even some of them are pissed at HIM for not fighting more against the Dem establishment. And I do really do get the feeling that, once the Bidens and Pelosis have taken a hike, the party is going to change.

One thing I also find interesting is how the GOP establishment lost control of the party and it belched out Trump, while the Dem establishment was able to hold off Bernie and his supporters. This is a profoundly transitional moment for both parties - Trump is an ugly, clownish one-off, and the Dem establishment is about to topple. I definitely get the feeling there is a "next" on the way.

Unlike the Democrats, we on the right seen our party going in the wrong direction, and that's why we voted for Trump. It was a protest vote; a message we were (and are) hoping the GOP hears. We like this drop in border crossings, we don't want any stupid immigration reform, we want people running for office to give us what they promised, or at least try to.

We on the right made change. We put a successful multi-billionaire in charge of our party, and you put a cocktail waitress in charge of yours.

 

[Cecilie1200]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often a
llowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

The Democrats need to retake control of their party, they need to tell the Neo-Marxists to GTFO because NO Western nation and ESPECIALLY America wants Marxism and wants to collapse Capitalism and replace it with Anarchy and a Communist System.

Why do you continue to use the RED SCARE?

Q. Do you have a clue about what Marxism is?

Q. Do you belief the Democratic Party will actually take over General Motors, Ford and other industries to control the means of production?

If you do I have a bridge for sale cheap, it spans the opening from the Pacific Coast into San Francisco Bay. There is even and Island about a mile west of the bridge, it once was a Federal Prison and I'm sure Trump&Co. will sell it to you.

It's hard to tell exactly what democrats mean, like Bernie Sanders, when he refers to socialism, because he refers to both countries like Sweden and Cuba as if they were one in the same, when they could not be more different.

That is what scares the hell out of people, and rightly so. Then throw in the AOC train wreck who can't even tie their shoes and you are left with a very bad feeling if these demagogues ever take power.

Sanders and Moore need to STFU unless they want people like you, Trump&Co., to continue to exploit their comments; the large part of the hate and fear doctrine used by Trump&Co.; Trump and his lap dogs and press secretaries use Big Lies and half-truths, rumors, innuendos and false assassinations of the character of all Democrats.

Calling AOC a train wreck is one more example of a Big Lie; the only train wreck today is Trump's Lies and efforts to spin his total failure to protect We the People from Covid; his effort to not panic the people is absurd.

Read FDR's first inauguration speech to the people, that is what real leaders do!

The Avalon Project : First Inaugural Address of Franklin D. Roosevelt

avalon.law.yale.edu

Sanders doesn't have to say anything at all....The DNC, and Biden by extension, have embraced his Marxist lunacy as their guiding principles.

He may now just go hang out at the third house that the DNC bought for him, in exchange for sitting down and shutting up like a good little party tool that he is.

Why don't you take you head out of your ass and STFU. You post nothing thoughtful or thought provoking; you must believe you are clever, you're not.

What you've done is to attack the DNC as a singular voice, which most everyone understands is stupid hyperbole.

No, I'd say most everyone is coming to understand that the Democrats are like the Borg, a mass of mindless drones with the hive queen speaking through them all at once.

And you have a right to say so, the facts do not support you.

Which "facts" are those? The facts I'm looking are every single leftist I encounter saying the exact same things on every single issue, usually in the exact same WORDS, always within 24 hours of those very words appearing in the media somewhere. And if I challenge the leftist in question to explain what those words mean, or to address how this or that point affects what they said, they just keep repeating it at me like a record with the needle stuck in a groove. Then, if the media has to announce a change to that particular talking point, 24 hours later all those same leftists are shouting THOSE EXACT SAME WORDS at me, and telling me how that's what they've been saying all along, even if it 100% contradicts what they actually said before.

If you have some facts that are supposed to show that leftists are independent free thinkers coming up with original ideas they can explain and defend, I'd like to know what those facts are.

And no, simply telling me that that's how things are does not qualify as a "fact".

First you need to define "leftists"!

leftist
[ˈleftəst]

NOUN

1. a person with left-wing political views.
   "these values are shared by many leftists" ·
   [more]

ADJECTIVE

1. having or relating to left-wing political views.
   "leftist radicals"

It's called a "dictionary". Get one. Do you also need me to define "is" for you? Or was that just Bill Clinton's personal illiteracy?

LOL, this is arguing in a circle ^^^; a logical fallacy.

The use of Left, Leftist and Radical Left are used by you and Trump and his fellow travelers as a pejorative. A demeaning use of the word "left" which you have been told to believe every Democrat holds a singular world view; that is absolutely not true.

"LOL" This is dodging on your part. "I don't want to respond to your points, so I'm going to deflect onto bitching about word choices!"

I don't give a fuck if you find the word I use to refer to you as "pejorative" or not. I won't be changing it, and if you want to pretend to storm off in a huff over it so that you can avoid having to respond to questions you can't answer, then feel free. I never stop craven pussies from showing themselves to be craven pussies.

You’re more triggered by the day. Hate and bile are deadly diseases. And your spewing vicious lies and invective.

What are you going to do when he loses?

I'm blown away every day by how angry and miserable and hateful these folks are, even WITH things going their way.

Imagine going through life like that.

Cities are being ravaged by lawless bands of rabid vermin; our economy is being deliberately destroyed and taking people's jobs, businesses, and lives down with it; and every system and institution we have all depended on our entire lives is being systematically dismantled . . . and all of this is for a political coup.

I'm blown away by how people like you can be perfectly fine with that.

If you're not angry, you're either too pig-stupid to understand what's going on . . . or you're one of the evil goat-fuckers doing the destroying. Take your pick which one you want to identify as.

I'll go with evil goat fucker.

Is an evil goat fucker anything like a dog faced pony solder?

No clue, since no one has any idea what the hell a "dog-faced pony soldier" actually IS.

 

[mamooth]

Latest swing state poll aggregates, according to _The Economist_

MI BIden +7.6
WI Biden +7.0
PA Biden +5.2
AZ Biden +2.6
FL Biden +2.4
NC Biden +1.2
GA Trump +1.0
IA Trump +1.6
OH Trump +1.6
TX Trump +2.2

Biden wins with just the first 3 in his column, and they're looking like a lock. This isn't close. The Democrats will win because their message is so good, and the Republicans will lose because they've only got hate, fear and racism as a message, and because the one they worship is a loser manchild pedo psychopath.

That's why Trump is no longer trying to win the election. He knows he can't win. Instead, he's working on seeding chaos to set the stage for stealing the election in a fascist coup. He's going to have Barr make up a story about massive faud and declare that the vote counting needs to stop before the mail-in votes are counted. And when that happens, all The Trump cultists here are going to gleefully support that fascist coup. Trump cultists suck hard at being Americans.

 

[charwin95]

Well show me where Trump policies works. Give me an example

Damn that's going to be hard. LOL

Trump's average unemployment rate is the lowest in ...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/trumps

...trump record low unemployment - Bing

"President Trump starts off 2020 having presided over a lower average unemployment rate than any president at a comparable point in office in recorded history."


U.S. Unemployment Rate Falls to 50-Year Low

U.S. Unemployment Rate Falls to 50-Year Low

The Bureau of Labor Statistics released its monthly Employment Situation Report, which shows robust employment growth in September.

www.whitehouse.gov

How can the democrats ruin the economy?

"The virus, The virus"


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trump record low unemployment - Bing

You do know that is not a policy. Read my post do not stare at it.

 

[charwin95]

Scum Democrats? Really? I have not trash you yet. DO YOU WANT TO TALK THIS WAY?

Easy there cowboy, wasn't talking about you personally. Speaking of Democrats in power.

Dude I am talking to you properly.

 

[charwin95]

TRump's unemployment rate is almost 11% including the underemployed

Trump destroyed the wonderful start Obama gave him

January 2017 unemployment was 4.7 when Trump took over. We are at 11%. Need at least 6% to Obama’s level.

 

[bripat9643]

TRump's unemployment rate is almost 11% including the underemployed

Trump destroyed the wonderful start Obama gave him

January 2017 unemployment was 4.7 when Trump took over. We are at 11%. Need at least 6% to Obama’s level.

We are at 8.5%, moron. Trump isn't responsible for the shutdown. Dims get all the credit for that.

 

[charwin95]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

We'll see. I can make the argument that the moderates on the Democratic party side are the exact reason the party is in the position it's in. As you said, not enough of a contrast. On top of that, the older baby boomers in the party just don't seem to be able to fight a ground war against Trump and his supporters on their terms. And I lay the entire fault for that at the feet of the baby boomers that just will not leave and allow some fresh blood out front. Yes, I'll be consistent that I want to see both Republican and Democrat baby boomer politicians taking a hike. I think you would be surprised what we could get done as a country. The basic problem is that most of our country's problems can't be solved with soundbites, memes, gifs, and one or two word slogans. And that is the hallmark of right wing in this country. Unfortunately, it's what the Republican party has become.

Yeah, I keep a pretty close eye on the younger Dems, and I know they're pretty pissed right now. They saw Bernie get pushed out by the baby boomer Dems twice now, and even some of them are pissed at HIM for not fighting more against the Dem establishment. And I do really do get the feeling that, once the Bidens and Pelosis have taken a hike, the party is going to change.

One thing I also find interesting is how the GOP establishment lost control of the party and it belched out Trump, while the Dem establishment was able to hold off Bernie and his supporters. This is a profoundly transitional moment for both parties - Trump is an ugly, clownish one-off, and the Dem establishment is about to topple. I definitely get the feeling there is a "next" on the way.

Unlike the Democrats, we on the right seen our party going in the wrong direction, and that's why we voted for Trump. It was a protest vote; a message we were (and are) hoping the GOP hears. We like this drop in border crossings, we don't want any stupid immigration reform, we want people running for office to give us what they promised, or at least try to.

We on the right made change. We put a successful multi-billionaire in charge of our party, and you put a cocktail waitress in charge of yours.

And the result is .......... Millions of millions of Americans suffering from total disaster:
1. Evictions.
2. Unemployment.
3. Losing health coverage.
4. Business closures.
5. Hunger.
6. Fear.
7. DEATHS AT 200,000+ and counting.
8. Infections of 7+ millions and counting.

Sooooo what is the plan smart guy? Don’t tell me you want the same ugly bad person who created this pandemonium?

Your lousy dude said mask is not good because a waitress told him. He even mocked Biden for wearing a mask.

 

[charwin95]

TRump's unemployment rate is almost 11% including the underemployed

Trump destroyed the wonderful start Obama gave him

January 2017 unemployment was 4.7 when Trump took over. We are at 11%. Need at least 6% to Obama’s level.

We are at 8.5%, moron. Trump isn't responsible for the shutdown. Dims get all the credit for that.

Didn’t you get my previous memo? Wash your mouth with bleach before you can talk to me.

 

[charwin95]

TRump's unemployment rate is almost 11% including the underemployed

Trump destroyed the wonderful start Obama gave him

January 2017 unemployment was 4.7 when Trump took over. We are at 11%. Need at least 6% to Obama’s level.

At current rate at the end of 4 years. Trump will end up with ZERO job creation.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And the result is .......... Millions of millions of Americans suffering from total disaster:
1. Evictions.
2. Unemployment.
3. Losing health coverage.
4. Business closures.
5. Hunger.
6. Fear.
7. DEATHS AT 200,000+ and counting.
8. Infections of 7+ millions and counting.

Sooooo what is the plan smart guy? Don’t tell me you want the same ugly bad person who created this pandemonium?

Your lousy dude said mask is not good because a waitress told him. He even mocked Biden for wearing a mask.

Most of what you listed has to do with the Chinese virus, not Trump. Prior to that, we had the lowest unemployment rate in nearly a half century. We broke employment records for every minority group and women. We had a thriving economy and stock market. He greatly reduced border crossings.

Trying to blame Trump for the Chinese virus is as stupid as trying to blame DumBama for the 30,000 influenza deaths in 2014. These are things nobody can control, especially in a free country.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Yeah I don't get it either. Maybe America in the recesses of our collective soul is as fascistic and authoritarian as any banana republic. Democracy is no longer reliably producing rich, white plutocratic politicians so it must be time to destroy it.

Well the fascists are on the left.....ANTIFA/BLMhas the brown shirt tactics down cold. I don't see any groups on the right doing that. I don't consider the Klan right wing but you do....and they don't even do this shit.

 

[buckeye45_73]

TRump's unemployment rate is almost 11% including the underemployed

Trump destroyed the wonderful start Obama gave him

January 2017 unemployment was 4.7 when Trump took over. We are at 11%. Need at least 6% to Obama’s level.

At current rate at the end of 4 years. Trump will end up with ZERO job creation.

Well if the left can shut the country down for 4 more years, then yes

 

[BluesLegend]

I worked on the thread title, "48%: The Democratic Party needs to face an ugly reality" And by that I mean the face of the Dem party Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff, Biden and their ilk.

 

[charwin95]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

We'll see. I can make the argument that the moderates on the Democratic party side are the exact reason the party is in the position it's in. As you said, not enough of a contrast. On top of that, the older baby boomers in the party just don't seem to be able to fight a ground war against Trump and his supporters on their terms. And I lay the entire fault for that at the feet of the baby boomers that just will not leave and allow some fresh blood out front. Yes, I'll be consistent that I want to see both Republican and Democrat baby boomer politicians taking a hike. I think you would be surprised what we could get done as a country. The basic problem is that most of our country's problems can't be solved with soundbites, memes, gifs, and one or two word slogans. And that is the hallmark of right wing in this country. Unfortunately, it's what the Republican party has become.

Yeah, I keep a pretty close eye on the younger Dems, and I know they're pretty pissed right now. They saw Bernie get pushed out by the baby boomer Dems twice now, and even some of them are pissed at HIM for not fighting more against the Dem establishment. And I do really do get the feeling that, once the Bidens and Pelosis have taken a hike, the party is going to change.

One thing I also find interesting is how the GOP establishment lost control of the party and it belched out Trump, while the Dem establishment was able to hold off Bernie and his supporters. This is a profoundly transitional moment for both parties - Trump is an ugly, clownish one-off, and the Dem establishment is about to topple. I definitely get the feeling there is a "next" on the way.

Unlike the Democrats, we on the right seen our party going in the wrong direction, and that's why we voted for Trump. It was a protest vote; a message we were (and are) hoping the GOP hears. We like this drop in border crossings, we don't want any stupid immigration reform, we want people running for office to give us what they promised, or at least try to.

We on the right made change. We put a successful multi-billionaire in charge of our party, and you put a cocktail waitress in charge of yours.

And the result is.......... 91% turn over. Some of his gangsters are in jail or going to jail. Nice.

Tracking turnover in the Trump administration | Brookings

Brookings researchers track turnover among Trump's top staffers and Cabinet members.

www.brookings.edu

 

[charwin95]

TRump's unemployment rate is almost 11% including the underemployed

Trump destroyed the wonderful start Obama gave him

January 2017 unemployment was 4.7 when Trump took over. We are at 11%. Need at least 6% to Obama’s level.

At current rate at the end of 4 years. Trump will end up with ZERO job creation.

Well if the left can shut the country down for 4 more years, then yes

Nope that is not the plan. The plan is to flush these corrupted goons out of the WH. Clean and fumigate the WH.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

We'll see. I can make the argument that the moderates on the Democratic party side are the exact reason the party is in the position it's in. As you said, not enough of a contrast. On top of that, the older baby boomers in the party just don't seem to be able to fight a ground war against Trump and his supporters on their terms. And I lay the entire fault for that at the feet of the baby boomers that just will not leave and allow some fresh blood out front. Yes, I'll be consistent that I want to see both Republican and Democrat baby boomer politicians taking a hike. I think you would be surprised what we could get done as a country. The basic problem is that most of our country's problems can't be solved with soundbites, memes, gifs, and one or two word slogans. And that is the hallmark of right wing in this country. Unfortunately, it's what the Republican party has become.

Yeah, I keep a pretty close eye on the younger Dems, and I know they're pretty pissed right now. They saw Bernie get pushed out by the baby boomer Dems twice now, and even some of them are pissed at HIM for not fighting more against the Dem establishment. And I do really do get the feeling that, once the Bidens and Pelosis have taken a hike, the party is going to change.

One thing I also find interesting is how the GOP establishment lost control of the party and it belched out Trump, while the Dem establishment was able to hold off Bernie and his supporters. This is a profoundly transitional moment for both parties - Trump is an ugly, clownish one-off, and the Dem establishment is about to topple. I definitely get the feeling there is a "next" on the way.

Unlike the Democrats, we on the right seen our party going in the wrong direction, and that's why we voted for Trump. It was a protest vote; a message we were (and are) hoping the GOP hears. We like this drop in border crossings, we don't want any stupid immigration reform, we want people running for office to give us what they promised, or at least try to.

We on the right made change. We put a successful multi-billionaire in charge of our party, and you put a cocktail waitress in charge of yours.

And the result is.......... 91% turn over. Some of his gangsters are in jail or going to jail. Nice.

Tracking turnover in the Trump administration | Brookings

Brookings researchers track turnover among Trump's top staffers and Cabinet members.

www.brookings.edu

So you think it's wrong when a boss doesn't get expected results from his workers? He made a television series on this, and a successful one at that. YOU'RE FIRED!

 

[charwin95]

I worked on the thread title, "48%: The Democratic Party needs to face an ugly reality" And by that I mean the face of the Dem party Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff, Biden and their ilk.

Well ....... Look at where we are today. It’s sad isn’t it. Go Biden.

 

[charwin95]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

We'll see. I can make the argument that the moderates on the Democratic party side are the exact reason the party is in the position it's in. As you said, not enough of a contrast. On top of that, the older baby boomers in the party just don't seem to be able to fight a ground war against Trump and his supporters on their terms. And I lay the entire fault for that at the feet of the baby boomers that just will not leave and allow some fresh blood out front. Yes, I'll be consistent that I want to see both Republican and Democrat baby boomer politicians taking a hike. I think you would be surprised what we could get done as a country. The basic problem is that most of our country's problems can't be solved with soundbites, memes, gifs, and one or two word slogans. And that is the hallmark of right wing in this country. Unfortunately, it's what the Republican party has become.

Yeah, I keep a pretty close eye on the younger Dems, and I know they're pretty pissed right now. They saw Bernie get pushed out by the baby boomer Dems twice now, and even some of them are pissed at HIM for not fighting more against the Dem establishment. And I do really do get the feeling that, once the Bidens and Pelosis have taken a hike, the party is going to change.

One thing I also find interesting is how the GOP establishment lost control of the party and it belched out Trump, while the Dem establishment was able to hold off Bernie and his supporters. This is a profoundly transitional moment for both parties - Trump is an ugly, clownish one-off, and the Dem establishment is about to topple. I definitely get the feeling there is a "next" on the way.

Unlike the Democrats, we on the right seen our party going in the wrong direction, and that's why we voted for Trump. It was a protest vote; a message we were (and are) hoping the GOP hears. We like this drop in border crossings, we don't want any stupid immigration reform, we want people running for office to give us what they promised, or at least try to.

We on the right made change. We put a successful multi-billionaire in charge of our party, and you put a cocktail waitress in charge of yours.

And the result is.......... 91% turn over. Some of his gangsters are in jail or going to jail. Nice.

Tracking turnover in the Trump administration | Brookings

Brookings researchers track turnover among Trump's top staffers and Cabinet members.

www.brookings.edu

So you think it's wrong when a boss doesn't get expected results from his workers? He made a television series on this, and a successful one at that. YOU'RE FIRED!

Nope a lot of these people resigned. Apprentice show is a tv show this is about a leadership of a powerful country. Leadership that Trump shows no qualifications. He proved that over and over on top of being a racist piece of shit.

 

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This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

We'll see. I can make the argument that the moderates on the Democratic party side are the exact reason the party is in the position it's in. As you said, not enough of a contrast. On top of that, the older baby boomers in the party just don't seem to be able to fight a ground war against Trump and his supporters on their terms. And I lay the entire fault for that at the feet of the baby boomers that just will not leave and allow some fresh blood out front. Yes, I'll be consistent that I want to see both Republican and Democrat baby boomer politicians taking a hike. I think you would be surprised what we could get done as a country. The basic problem is that most of our country's problems can't be solved with soundbites, memes, gifs, and one or two word slogans. And that is the hallmark of right wing in this country. Unfortunately, it's what the Republican party has become.

Yeah, I keep a pretty close eye on the younger Dems, and I know they're pretty pissed right now. They saw Bernie get pushed out by the baby boomer Dems twice now, and even some of them are pissed at HIM for not fighting more against the Dem establishment. And I do really do get the feeling that, once the Bidens and Pelosis have taken a hike, the party is going to change.

One thing I also find interesting is how the GOP establishment lost control of the party and it belched out Trump, while the Dem establishment was able to hold off Bernie and his supporters. This is a profoundly transitional moment for both parties - Trump is an ugly, clownish one-off, and the Dem establishment is about to topple. I definitely get the feeling there is a "next" on the way.

Unlike the Democrats, we on the right seen our party going in the wrong direction, and that's why we voted for Trump. It was a protest vote; a message we were (and are) hoping the GOP hears. We like this drop in border crossings, we don't want any stupid immigration reform, we want people running for office to give us what they promised, or at least try to.

We on the right made change. We put a successful multi-billionaire in charge of our party, and you put a cocktail waitress in charge of yours.

And the result is.......... 91% turn over. Some of his gangsters are in jail or going to jail. Nice.

Tracking turnover in the Trump administration | Brookings

Brookings researchers track turnover among Trump's top staffers and Cabinet members.

www.brookings.edu

So you think it's wrong when a boss doesn't get expected results from his workers? He made a television series on this, and a successful one at that. YOU'RE FIRED!

Like this one. Troye resigned blasting Trump of total mishandling of the crisis.

Former Pence aide, coronavirus task force member speaks out against Donald Trump's response

As the November presidential election draws near, more former Trump officials speak out against the president.

abcnews.go.com

Olivia Troye, who served as Vice President Mike Pence's homeland security adviser, described her time in the White House as "terrifying" and says the president "could have saved lives" in his response to the coronavirus pandemic in a video released Thursday.