48%: The Democratic Party needs to face an ugly reality

[JoeB131]

When you listen to one hate filled Biden rant after another and Nancy Pelosi calling him a racist and her stupid endless attacks and the partisan impeachment based on a report Mueller said showed no evidence Trump colluded with Russia and the hate filled Schummer rants and say ...

... "Trump" is tearing about the country ...

... It shows what an empty gas bag you are. Democrats have acted like this for 40 years that I personally remember. And you blame your behavior on Trump who's been here the last four years? Just cut the stupid shit

Hey, buddy, Politics aren't beanbag.

Remember when all the idiots tried to claim Obama wasn't born here, or how Ken Starr spent 70 MILLION dollars investigating Clinton's sex life.

Trump wasn't impeached on the basis of the Mueller Report. He was impeached on the basis of his using government funds to try to get a foreign government to smear Biden.

I know, it's hard to keep track, because since then, Trump has killed 198,000 people, lost 40 million jobs, crashed the economy and watched as our cities and forest have burst into flames...

Trump's biggest accomplishment- his other fuckups are so massive you forget he WAS impeached.

 

[kaz]

Democrats crowed about the EC in 2012 when Obama won re-election. Then they melted down about it in 2016 when Trump won. Their indignation is totally driven by circumstance.

Why would they crow about it. Obama won the Popular vote handily....

I don't want PV and would never want it regardless of how elections turned out. That would just be tyranny of the majority

And so? As opposed to what, the tyranny of the minority?

I trust the people to get these things right, thank you... You clearly don't.

How about tyranny of nobody? That's called freedom.

Yep. No one should be able to rule over the rest of us. Joe just thinks it's a debate over who sets the rules for all of us, and he decided he wants his side to do that.

The Founders created a government it was difficult to get anything done. To pass a law, you needed the population (House) AND States (Senate) AND President to agree or it was very difficult.

So when Joe wants simple majority rules over the rest and I say no, he says oh, you want the minority to rule. No, I want a super majority or we make our own decisions. Making our own decisions isn't part of his world

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

Your entire case against President Trump is based in your hatred for the man and how you perceive him to be on a personal level. Neither should be the criterion for selecting a President.

I disagree with him on more of the issues. I'll be more than happy to go into as much detail as you would like. You'd be the first Trumpster with the balls to take me up on that offer. Just let me know!

His acute Narcissistic Personality Disorder only seals the deal on how I'll vote - I'd much rather vote third party, but I have to vote against this profoundly damaged man and the ugly arrogant ignorance he enables.

There. I made that as simple as I can for you.

Did you understand what I wrote? At all? Should I use larger font? Crayon?

His acute Narcissistic Personality Disorder only seals the deal on how I'll vote

No, it's the only reason you will vote for Biden, just like a lot of people. Issue by issue? I'll debate you on that subject if you like.

 

[kaz]

The decent thing to do is not expect someone who had nothing to do with the past to make up for it.

But we are the ones who benefit from that past, that's the point.

That already happens and in some cases they are treated better, with policies like Affirmative Action.

Actually, the main beneficiaries of Affirmative Action are White Women. AA comes nowhere near erasing 400 years of systematic racism.

OK, so we set up grievance courts and whoever's family was wronged in the past and tracks down someone to blame and government plunders them for us. Where does it end, Joe? Do I get a few bucks if I can show my ancestor was a slave in Rome? Is government going to collect a few Euros from the Italians for me?

We need to look forward and stop with the sins of our fathers shit. Blacks like everyone else should have equal opportunity. In this country, that's enough

 

[Mac1958]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

Your entire case against President Trump is based in your hatred for the man and how you perceive him to be on a personal level. Neither should be the criterion for selecting a President.

I disagree with him on more of the issues. I'll be more than happy to go into as much detail as you would like. You'd be the first Trumpster with the balls to take me up on that offer. Just let me know!

His acute Narcissistic Personality Disorder only seals the deal on how I'll vote - I'd much rather vote third party, but I have to vote against this profoundly damaged man and the ugly arrogant ignorance he enables.

There. I made that as simple as I can for you.

Did you understand what I wrote? At all? Should I use larger font? Crayon?

His acute Narcissistic Personality Disorder only seals the deal on how I'll vote

No, it's the only reason you will vote for Biden, just like a lot of people. Issue by issue? I'll debate you on that subject if you like.

I'll be more than happy to provide a full list of my stands on the issues and shove your lie straight down your throat if you'd like.

Let me know!

 

[kaz]

Argument from authority fallacy. Do you know what you're talking about or not? Your degree is not relevant

Sure it is. It means other people who were experts in the subject agreed I had expertise in it.

Of course, with Trumpsters, Science, History, Math don't matter if it fails to worship their Orange God.

Having a history degree doesn't mean you know all of history, Joe. Clearly you don't. It just means you can't get a job without retraining

 

[JoeB131]

Yep. No one should be able to rule over the rest of us. Joe just thinks it's a debate over who sets the rules for all of us, and he decided he wants his side to do that.

Buddy, that's not freedom, that's anarchy. What you want is a government that protects your property and privileges... and screw everyone else. That's not freedom, either.

The Founders created a government it was difficult to get anything done. To pass a law, you needed the population (House) AND States (Senate) AND President to agree or it was very difficult.

And the biggest complaint most people have is that nothing ever gets done and nothing ever changes... This is a good thing by you, why?

So when Joe wants simple majority rules over the rest and I say no, he says oh, you want the minority to rule. No, I want a super majority or we make our own decisions. Making our own decisions isn't part of his world

Again, what you want is your privileges and perks protected, and forget everyone else.

OK, so we set up grievance courts and whoever's family was wronged in the past and tracks down someone to blame and government plunders them for us. Where does it end, Joe? Do I get a few bucks if I can show my ancestor was a slave in Rome? Is government going to collect a few Euros from the Italians for me?

Wow, talk about your being hysterical. Frankly, the only plundering I see going on in this country is the One Percent who control half the wealth and resent that the other 99% still have half.

Can you show where your ancestor in Rome being a slave has an effect on your life now? Black people can show that... pretty easily.

We need to look forward and stop with the sins of our fathers shit. Blacks like everyone else should have equal opportunity. In this country, that's enough

The thing is, they don't. Slavery ended, and was replaced by Jim Crow.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

I’ve been talking to a lot of Republicans about this and I actually hear a lot of them say that they really don’t like the man Trump is or how he acts, but they dislike the Dems even more as they don’t believe in many of their extreme policy objectives. So they are voting for Trump because of the common enemy not because they support all he does and says.

I think you’re right about the way the wings play into this. If the Dems go hard on the progressive causes... anti-gun, PC, cancel culture, raising taxes, regulating energy etc they are going to isolate many swing voters and push them into Trumps camp.

The problem is, if Trump wins again, the Dems STILL won't look in the mirror.

This is madness.

If the Dems lose and trump goes for another 4 then it’s rip for a third party to come in 2024. I’d love to see a strong play for that if that’s the situation

What do you need a third party for?...Better you purge your own party of the Marxist crackpots that are infesting it.

Because the Reps and Dems are too big, too powerful and too corrupt. People need to run on ideas and accomplishments not on a party line. We don’t need parties anymore except to raise millions of dollars to campaign with which is the root of the problem.

You have NFI what you're up against.

I worked with the Libertarian Party for two cycles...You'll never get your third party over the ballot access restrictions imposed by the states.....The LP spends millions and millions every year just to get on the ballot.

And the majors pepper them with frivolous lawsuits challenging that access. Combine that with 'reality tv' media, and there's not much hope. But - the real issue is the stupidity of voters. You simply can't maintain a democracy when voters are so easily manipulated.

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

I’ve been talking to a lot of Republicans about this and I actually hear a lot of them say that they really don’t like the man Trump is or how he acts, but they dislike the Dems even more as they don’t believe in many of their extreme policy objectives. So they are voting for Trump because of the common enemy not because they support all he does and says.

I think you’re right about the way the wings play into this. If the Dems go hard on the progressive causes... anti-gun, PC, cancel culture, raising taxes, regulating energy etc they are going to isolate many swing voters and push them into Trumps camp.

The problem is, if Trump wins again, the Dems STILL won't look in the mirror.

This is madness.

If the Dems lose and trump goes for another 4 then it’s rip for a third party to come in 2024. I’d love to see a strong play for that if that’s the situation

What do you need a third party for?...Better you purge your own party of the Marxist crackpots that are infesting it.

Because the Reps and Dems are too big, too powerful and too corrupt. People need to run on ideas and accomplishments not on a party line. We don’t need parties anymore except to raise millions of dollars to campaign with which is the root of the problem.

You have NFI what you're up against.

I worked with the Libertarian Party for two cycles...You'll never get your third party over the ballot access restrictions imposed by the states.....The LP spends millions and millions every year just to get on the ballot.

It’s gotta be a Perot, Cuban, Bloomberg type with the cash to do it and they have to run on Campaign reform to break up the Rs and Ds

Perot was a one-off and the hurdles in many states are even higher now because of his candidacy....The debates are now closed to anyone but (R) & (D) because of him.

I worked in the trenches, while you're spitballing on a message board....You have next to zero chance of getting any new third party on enough ballots to do anything.

I never said I was working to do that I just said I think it would be a great thing for our country if we elected somebody outside of the Reps or Dems and ran our elections in a different way

And I'm telling you that it's a total pipe dream.....The (D)s and (R)s have erected enough barriers so as to make the prospect next to impossible.

That’s very sad if true

I'm afraid it is. I used to think that when the two major parties got bad enough, people would wake up. Clearly, that's not happening. People are stuck on the fear-game - lesser-of-two-evils. Until we neutralize that, by changing to ranked-choice or approval voting, idiot voters are going to keep voting for shitty candidates.

It would be interesting to see if a candidate could exist that pulls equally from
Both sides... my thoughts would be anti-establishment, Fiscal conservative, socially liberal, and able to recognize middle ground on all the major issues. Tough part is the wingnuts are ruling the day so compromise is a dirty word

Spending is the single major issue, and there is no middle ground on that. Immigration is a close second, and once again there is no middle ground.

There’s always middle ground. It’s assholes like yourself on both sides that make getting anything done impossible

There is no middle ground when one side wants nothing to do with it.

Look at this last bill that failed in the House. Democrats wanted 600 bucks extra unemployment. Republicans said they'd settle for 300. They wanted 30 billion for the Post Office. The Republicans said they'd go with ten billion. The Democrats wanted another $1,200 stimulus check and the Republicans didn't go for it, but Nancy didn't even try for any negotiations. It's their way or no way at all, and they refused to meet at this middle-ground you talk about.

Yes, Nancy is being stubborn and uncompromising. You must also include that she presented a plan months ago that got completely ignored by the senate. Both sides are doing the same thing to eachother.

It is true that the Republicans put it on the back burner, but they were not going to pass a bill that may have not been needed. They wanted to give it as much time as possible to see the results of the last boatload of money they spent, and if something was needed, to see what it was first. They were trying to be good stewards of our tax dollars. Good on them.

So when the time came up, the Republicans seen our economy going in the right direction. The market recovered and stable. New housing starts in July up 22.6%. Our hospitals were not overwhelmed with Covid patients. Good? Of course not. It may take many months for things to get good again, but we certainly don't need to go another 4 trillion into debt when we're heading in the right direction.

So when the time came to evaluate the situation, THEN decide how to act, the Republicans trimmed down the bill which the Democrats rejected. Once again, as so many times in the past when they had power, they exercised their motto: It's our way or no way.

 

[kaz]

The guy who agrees with Democrats on every issue and opposes Republicans on every issue...

I do?

Go ahead and answer, and then I'll shove your lie down your throat.

So -- I do?

Every issue you bother to mention, yes

 

[DukeU]

But we are the ones who benefit from that past, that's the point.

What about poor white people vs rich black people?

AA comes nowhere near erasing 400 years of systematic racism.

You can never and will never erase history.

 

[kaz]

Yep. No one should be able to rule over the rest of us. Joe just thinks it's a debate over who sets the rules for all of us, and he decided he wants his side to do that.

Buddy, that's not freedom, that's anarchy. What you want is a government that protects your property and privileges... and screw everyone else. That's not freedom, either.

The Founders created a government it was difficult to get anything done. To pass a law, you needed the population (House) AND States (Senate) AND President to agree or it was very difficult.

And the biggest complaint most people have is that nothing ever gets done and nothing ever changes... This is a good thing by you, why?

So when Joe wants simple majority rules over the rest and I say no, he says oh, you want the minority to rule. No, I want a super majority or we make our own decisions. Making our own decisions isn't part of his world

Again, what you want is your privileges and perks protected, and forget everyone else.

OK, so we set up grievance courts and whoever's family was wronged in the past and tracks down someone to blame and government plunders them for us. Where does it end, Joe? Do I get a few bucks if I can show my ancestor was a slave in Rome? Is government going to collect a few Euros from the Italians for me?

Wow, talk about your being hysterical. Frankly, the only plundering I see going on in this country is the One Percent who control half the wealth and resent that the other 99% still have half.

Can you show where your ancestor in Rome being a slave has an effect on your life now? Black people can show that... pretty easily.

We need to look forward and stop with the sins of our fathers shit. Blacks like everyone else should have equal opportunity. In this country, that's enough

The thing is, they don't. Slavery ended, and was replaced by Jim Crow.

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Yes, when Democrat slavery ended, they replaced it with Democrat Jim Crow. Thanks for admitting that, Joe. Today it's electronic lynching. If your black ass doesn't vote Democrat, Democrats go after you on line and you ain't black.

The Democrat has a long, deep history of racism which continues unabated today

 

[JoeB131]

Having a history degree doesn't mean you know all of history, Joe. Clearly you don't. It just means you can't get a job without retraining

No, it means I have a degree in the subject, and know the background.

Ironically, my degree in "Management of things that have already happened" as I jokingly refer to it, has been a huge advantage professionally when I was still doing purchasing. Most purchasing jobs require a bachelors, they didn't 30 years ago.

So when Bush fucked up the economy in 2008 (you have to specifiy, because you could also say 1990 or 2001) I had a huge advantage over other buyers who were let go from the company that cured me of Republicanism because I had a degree. Three buyers were let go in 2008. I found another gig in three weeks. The other fellow who only had some college took six month, the lady with no college but 25 years of experience took two years.

The subject I found most annoying in college was German... I hated it. But it came in handy on one job where i could speak just enough of it to communicate with vendors.

 

[kaz]

When you listen to one hate filled Biden rant after another and Nancy Pelosi calling him a racist and her stupid endless attacks and the partisan impeachment based on a report Mueller said showed no evidence Trump colluded with Russia and the hate filled Schummer rants and say ...

... "Trump" is tearing about the country ...

... It shows what an empty gas bag you are. Democrats have acted like this for 40 years that I personally remember. And you blame your behavior on Trump who's been here the last four years? Just cut the stupid shit

Hey, buddy, Politics aren't beanbag.

Remember when all the idiots tried to claim Obama wasn't born here, or how Ken Starr spent 70 MILLION dollars investigating Clinton's sex life.

Trump wasn't impeached on the basis of the Mueller Report. He was impeached on the basis of his using government funds to try to get a foreign government to smear Biden.

I know, it's hard to keep track, because since then, Trump has killed 198,000 people, lost 40 million jobs, crashed the economy and watched as our cities and forest have burst into flames...

Trump's biggest accomplishment- his other fuckups are so massive you forget he WAS impeached.

When you say "the idiots tried to claim Obama wasn't born here" and Obama was the first to claim that and his wife the Mooch was second and Hillary was third, you show why you have no credibility.

That it's somehow OK for Obama to lie about where he's from but racist to think that Obama wasn't lying and he was born where he said he was is the stupid shit you write that people actually have to waste their time reading.

And yeah, Joe, Trump created the Biden virus. Sure he did. You're drowning in Democrat propaganda

 

[JoeB131]

What about poor white people vs rich black people?

What about them? The problem is, you can be a rich black person, and STILL be hassled by a cop.

Check this out... Sterling Brown, rich basketball player, still treated like a criminal by cops.

You can never and will never erase history.

no, you can't erase it, but you can put it in it's proper context.

The first one is, YOU TEAR DOWN EVERY FUCKING STATUE OF A CONFEDERATE, and make sure the history books treat them like Nazis.

You can't erase what Hitler did, but you can make sure everyone knows it was wrong.

 

[JoeB131]

When you say "the idiots tried to claim Obama wasn't born here" and Obama was the first to claim that and his wife the Mooch was second and Hillary was third, you show why you have no credibility.

Lies... Frankly, there's no point talking to you if you are going to lie.

 

[kaz]

Having a history degree doesn't mean you know all of history, Joe. Clearly you don't. It just means you can't get a job without retraining

No, it means I have a degree in the subject, and know the background.

Ironically, my degree in "Management of things that have already happened" as I jokingly refer to it, has been a huge advantage professionally when I was still doing purchasing. Most purchasing jobs require a bachelors, they didn't 30 years ago.

So when Bush fucked up the economy in 2008 (you have to specifiy, because you could also say 1990 or 2001) I had a huge advantage over other buyers who were let go from the company that cured me of Republicanism because I had a degree. Three buyers were let go in 2008. I found another gig in three weeks. The other fellow who only had some college took six month, the lady with no college but 25 years of experience took two years.

The subject I found most annoying in college was German... I hated it. But it came in handy on one job where i could speak just enough of it to communicate with vendors.

Funny how you demand that those of us who have read extensive history bow to your bachelors degree from a no name college, you give zero respect to my advanced degrees in business, management and economics from pedigree schools and insist the Communist Manifesto is right.

You're a hypocrite, Joe. You want respect, start by giving it

 

[Mac1958]

The guy who agrees with Democrats on every issue and opposes Republicans on every issue...

I do?

Go ahead and answer, and then I'll shove your lie down your throat.

So -- I do?

Every issue you bother to mention, yes

Thank you. And thank you for falling back on a cowardly qualification.

Wrong again. In fact, my stands on the issues are posted in the 2nd and 4th lines of my sig.

You're free to read them, and I'll be more than happy to discuss any of them. I suspect that, like the other Trumpsters, you don't have the balls.

2. >>> For the liars who pretend I claim to be a centrist/middle of the road/moderate/impartial/unbiased/fence-sitter: https://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/come-on-jake-man-up-just-this-once.590002/
4. >>> Band Aids, Borders, Burritos & Bejing

Taste good, Trumpster?

 

[kaz]

When you say "the idiots tried to claim Obama wasn't born here" and Obama was the first to claim that and his wife the Mooch was second and Hillary was third, you show why you have no credibility.

Lies... Frankly, there's no point talking to you if you are going to lie.

You know it's true, stop being a schmuck. Obama's publisher didn't make it up, Joe. Stop with the stupid shit. And the mooch is on video saying Kenya is Obama's home country. And the Clinton campaign did float the question of whether Obama can be President.

Yet you sit here still and just flat out lie about it

 

[JakeStarkey]

Just your own worthless hate filled opinion. That and $5 will buy you a cup of coffee

That is just your own TDS hate, my friend. Trump is simply a bad, bad man, Biden is a decent fellow, and the only ugly reality the Dems must face is that they may have a harder time taking the Senate than the Presidency, the latter which they will do in fifty days or so.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

Your entire case against President Trump is based in your hatred for the man and how you perceive him to be on a personal level. Neither should be the criterion for selecting a President.

I disagree with him on more of the issues. I'll be more than happy to go into as much detail as you would like. You'd be the first Trumpster with the balls to take me up on that offer. Just let me know!

His acute Narcissistic Personality Disorder only seals the deal on how I'll vote - I'd much rather vote third party, but I have to vote against this profoundly damaged man and the ugly arrogant ignorance he enables.

There. I made that as simple as I can for you.

Did you understand what I wrote? At all? Should I use larger font? Crayon?

His acute Narcissistic Personality Disorder only seals the deal on how I'll vote

No, it's the only reason you will vote for Biden, just like a lot of people. Issue by issue? I'll debate you on that subject if you like.

I'll be more than happy to provide a full list of my stands on the issues and shove your lie straight down your throat if you'd like.

Let me know!

No. Lists get too complicated and cumbersome. Let's take it issue by issue. This way we can try to focus and research it so the dialog is productive instead of rushed through. So I'll start:

Economy: Joe's idea of creating jobs is to increase taxes on those evil wealthy people--you know, the people that create our jobs. Trump wants to continue having lower taxes and keep his policy of business regulation control, whereas every new business regulation written by the government has to have two regulations removed in it's place. Go.