24 Hours? How about 1330 Hours have passed and no end to the Russian/Ukraine war! Trump Con?

[AntonToo]

Because he has already lost 200k men and is losing more every day.

And becasue he is gaining ground so slowly that there is no sign that this war will end any time soon.

And what makes you think Putin wouldn't bury millions so long as he thinks there is a chance for him to get control of Ukraine eventually?

Nothing.

Putin had an offer on the table to pause the killing for 30 days. What did he do with that? He told Trump to go f himself in not so many words.

 

[Correll]

And what makes you think Putin wouldn't bury millions so long as he thinks there is a chance for him to get control of Ukraine eventually?

Nothing.

Because the loss of those men (and the material) matters, to his supporters, both powerful men and the people.

He loses enough, and these people will turn on him.

Putin had an offer on the table to pause the killing for 30 days. What did he do with that? He told Trump to go f himself in not so many words.

IMO, he is hoping to be able to take back Kursk, to deprive zelenski of that card, when they begin serious negotiations.

 

[krichton]

Putin is the one that has lost 200k men and wrecked his army in a losing war.

He needs to come to terms with that and try to save some face, so that his own people don't kill him.

The situation calls not for bringing the hammer down on him, but bribing him with some shit talk, for him to pass along to his people.

To suger coat the loss of a war and 200k men.




Russia has been losing men and material that they can not afford to lose, for 3 years.

Every day is more than they can afford.

Putin is long past, spending good money after bad, and by money, I more mean, the lives of his people.



SUre it does. Russia is being bled white. Putin would not even be talking, if this was not the case.

If the situation was as you claim, that would mean that Russia was WINNING, and Trump's attempt at peace would be completely doomed.

Which would mean that the only possible outcome of this, would be trump failing and you getting what you want, AND a bonus prize of partisan scores.

Yet, you seem very unhappy about events....




That is an absolutely retarded claim. If Putin is unreasonable and just tries to run out the clock, Trump will continue the aid, and russia will continue to bleed.

The only way that putin could believe what you claim, would be if he was dumb enough to believe the stupid shit talk that dems have been saying.


And I can't believe that Putin would be that dumb.

You keep repeating that one line from your maga script over and over. But the question that you'll never answer is, does Putin come off as a desperate man, looking to end this war under any circumstances? The answer to that is no, regardless of what circumstance his army and country is in, and that's because one thing has given him renewed faith, and hope, and that's one Donald J Trump.

Sooo.......this entire time, Dump and VP Musk has been telling us how they're eliminating "waste" and then he's going to proceed to grant Ukraine multiple billions in aid, the very thing he repeatedly lambasted Biden for doing for the last 3 years?

 

[krichton]

You would be more credible if you didn't talk like a baby.

And yet, here you are, completely unable to rebut a single thing I said, LOL.

 

[Correll]

You keep repeating that one line from your maga script over and over. But the question that you'll never answer is, does Putin come off as a desperate man, looking to end this war under any circumstances? The answer to that is no, regardless of what circumstance his army and country is in, and that's because one thing has given him renewed faith, and hope, and that's one Donald J Trump.

It is Putin's JOB as leader of Russia, to "come off" as confident and resolute, as part of trying to negotiate the best deal he can for Russia.

You know that right? THis pretense that you don't, that is shit talk I hope.

YOu are just PRETENDING to believe Putin, the former KGB AGENT, because it serves your partisan purpose in this discussion. You don't really trust him to be honest about his feelings on the matter.

I mean, your vocabulary, indicates at least average intelligence.

Sooo.......this entire time, Dump and VP Musk has been telling us how they're eliminating "waste" and then he's going to proceed to grant Ukraine multiple billions in aid, the very thing he repeatedly lambasted Biden for doing for the last 3 years?

Obviously they are assuming that they will succeed in the attempt at peace.

AND, if they fail, it will be a failure. That will be a cost to US, if that happens.

You could try to make political hay about it, but that would be difficult to not look like a complete shit talker, since it would be continuing the policy that you want...

Oh, right, dems don't mind looking like complete shit talkers. Forgot for a second.

 

[the watcher]

Just don't say Ukraine, it triggers people like Niagra Falls. Let's call it That Place, maybe that will help.

 

[krichton]

It is Putin's JOB as leader of Russia, to "come off" as confident and resolute, as part of trying to negotiate the best deal he can for Russia.

You know that right? THis pretense that you don't, that is shit talk I hope.

YOu are just PRETENDING to believe Putin, the former KGB AGENT, because it serves your partisan purpose in this discussion. You don't really trust him to be honest about his feelings on the matter.

I mean, your vocabulary, indicates at least average intelligence.







Obviously they are assuming that they will succeed in the attempt at peace.

AND, if they fail, it will be a failure. That will be a cost to US, if that happens.

You could try to make political hay about it, but that would be difficult to not look like a complete shit talker, since it would be continuing the policy that you want...

Oh, right, dems don't mind looking like complete shit talkers. Forgot for a second.

When Putin talks to Dump and negotiates a ceasefire on Ukraine's energy infrastructure, hangs up and then tells his generals to immediately launch an attack on Ukraine's energy infrastructure what do you suppose he's telling the world there? lmaoo. He's telling everyone, we have a spineless impotent US president he can easily manipulate. Newsflash, Putin isn't pretending to be confident.

So you agree now that Putin will attempt to run out the clock on Ukraine aid

 

[Correll]

When Putin talks to Dump ....

i stopped readying here, I am not in the mood to talk to children.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

i stopped readying here, I am not in the mood to talk to children.

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It's wise to decide not to talk to them when their first line is hate.


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[Correll]

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It's wise to decide not to talk to them when their first line is hate.


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Sometimes I feel like it, because otherwise, we are isolated from the left half of the country.

But, sometimes, I just don't have the... patience? strength? to deal with such idiocy.

 

[AntonToo]

Because the loss of those men (and the material) matters, to his supporters, both powerful men and the people.

You have very little understanding of whats going on in Russia.

Putin has consolidated all power in Russia under his own ass. Opposition has been completely squashed. What Putin says goes and his tightly controlled propaganda machinery makes sure people line up behind it.

Protesting the war gets you arrested and public dissent is non-existant.

Specifically number of people killed and wounded is kept secret and is constantly lied about. Russian population at large have very little recognition of the giant losses.

Putin can easily get another million killed and never face any serious domestic blowback.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Sometimes I feel like it, because otherwise, we are isolated from the left half of the country.

But, sometimes, I just don't have the... patience? strength? to deal with such idiocy.

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If they keep proving endlessly that they are incapable of ending the hate, I think it's wise to plan on staying isolated from them.

My small town is clean and quiet and safe because they are not here. I'd like it if my whole state and my country were this way.


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[Correll]

You have very little understanding of whats going on in Russia.

Putin has consolidated all power in Russia under his own ass. Opposition has been completely squashed. What Putin says goes and his tightly controlled propaganda machinery makes sure people line up behind it.

Protesting the war gets you arrested and public dissent is non-existant.

Specifically number of people killed and wounded is kept secret and is constantly lied about. Russian population at large have very little recognition of the giant losses.

Putin can easily get another million killed and never face any serious domestic blowback.

I disagree. He might have control, but control is based on support from other people.

Those other people have a vested interest in the survival of the russian state, and putin is weakening it greatly with his failed war policy.


If you are correct, then Trump will fail and the war continues, which is what you wanted.

So, why are you acting so bitter? you should be GLOATING about your soon to be partisan victory as Trump fails to get a peace.

 

[AntonToo]

I disagree. He might have control, but control is based on support from other people.

Those other people have a vested interest in the survival of the russian state, and putin is weakening it greatly with his failed war policy.

Again you don't understand how well Russian propaganda works since there is no public dissent.

Putin has full control of the nerratives.

You should take some time to listen to what's going on in the heads of Russians:




These brainwashed masses are NEVER going to blame Putin while he still has all these propaganda levers. They'll keep beliving that any death toll will be worth it, because Dear Leader and their TV says 10 times a day that it's worth it.

 

[AntonToo]

If you are correct, then Trump will fail and the war continues, which is what you wanted.

Dumbass how many times do I need to explain to you the difference between wanting something and reality?

I want the war to end, reality is that it will not end until Putin (or whoever will take his place) can accept a sovereign Ukraine.

 

[mamooth]

You going to kick them out? Me neither. Ukraine certainly can't, not in any reasonable timeframe.

Negotiation 101. You start asking for a lot more than you'll settle for.

I shouldn't have to explain this to adults. Trump is laughably inept at negotiation, and you're making dumb excuses for his ineptness.

Why are you unable to be honest for even a second?

I understood. You couldn't address my point, so you deflected with a tantrum.

Don't worry. Nobody ever expects any Trump cultist to act like an adult, so you didn't disappoint anyone.

 

[Correll]

Again you don't understand how well Russian propaganda works since there is no public dissent.

Putin has full control of the nerratives.

You should take some time to listen to what's going on in the heads of Russians:




These brainwashed masses are NEVER going to blame Putin while he still has all these propaganda levers. They'll keep beliving that any death toll will be worth it, because Dear Leader and their TV says 10 times a day that it's worth it.

Propaganda has it's limits. YOu lose enough men, people will notice that their families members are not coming home.


And the powerful people that have a vested interest in RUSSIA, will know that truth.

 

[Correll]

Dumbass how many times do I need to explain to you the difference between wanting something and reality?

I want the war to end, reality is that it will not end until Putin (or whoever will take his place) can accept a sovereign Ukraine.

Dude. Settle your ass down.


Yes, EVENTUALLY you hope for an end, but well beyond the limits of Trump's term.

YOu want a LONG war to bleed russia to the point that Ukraine can take back all of it's territory. That's going to be a long bloody slog. VERY LONG.

I will try to refer to the difference in policy as short war vs very, very long war. OK?

And my point stands. If Trump fails to get a peace deal within his term, that you get what you want, ie a VERY VERY LONG WAR, that might end with what you want, ie Ukrainian victory.

So, as I asked, which you did not answer, in that case, why are you so bitter?

 

[Correll]

Negotiation 101. You start asking for a lot more than you'll settle for.

I shouldn't have to explain this to adults. Trump is laughably inept at negotiation, and you're making dumb excuses for his ineptness.

So in reality, you are not prepared to piss away ukrainian lives till every inch of ukrainian territory has been regained?

Good. I think many of your fellow anti-trumpers are though, fyi.

I understood. You couldn't address my point, so you deflected with a tantrum.

Don't worry. Nobody ever expects any Trump cultist to act like an adult, so you didn't disappoint anyone.

I actually did address your point, but you cut it, so that you could pretend I did not.

Typical shittalk from a lefty.

 

[Luckyone]

Because the loss of those men (and the material) matters, to his supporters, both powerful men and the people.

He loses enough, and these people will turn on him.

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The staggering cost of Russia's war in Ukraine​

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Well, if this hasn't caused Putin's supporters, the powerful men, and the people to turn on him yet, then there is no limit

IMO, he is hoping to be able to take back Kursk, to deprive zelenski of that card, when they begin serious negotiations.

He is hoping? Hahahahaha