24 Hours? How about 1330 Hours have passed and no end to the Russian/Ukraine war! Trump Con?

[Correll]

The way you can't rationaly discuss topic at hand is dumb.

It is silly of you to pretend I have not discussed the issue.

 

[Correll]

Because you many many problems with comprehension.

You pull your conclusions directly out of your politico ass and then you are "shocked" when explained simple facts.

Everything I've said was consistent with finding long term peace for sovereign Ukraine and the shortest path to that is STEADFAST SUPPORT OF THEIR DEFENSE, so Putin knows he has no chance to make any millitary gains, knows that he has no chance to subjugate Ukraine, knows that continued invasion does nothing but wreck his country.

Trump is doing THE OPPOSITE. All the Trump chaos, wheeling, dealing and fighting with our allies gives Putin reason to hang in, collect free concessions and drag out the conflict.

Nope. I base my conclusions of what you have said and how it makes no sense in the face of reality.

 

[AntonToo]

It is silly of you to pretend I have not discussed the issue.

Rationally. You can't RATIONALLY discuss it and instead keep getting sidetracked into braindead flaming politico bs.

 

[AntonToo]

Nope. I base my conclusions of what you have said and how it makes no sense in the face of reality.

You say that, but absent is any reason for me to take you seriously.

I've clearly explained to you my position and you've yet to rationally explain why the hell you would make up some bullshit about me not wanting peace for Ukraine.

 

[Correll]

Rationally. You can't RATIONALLY discuss it and instead keep getting sidetracked into braindead flaming politico bs.

You are the one that keeps retreating into rhetorical games when someone seriously addresses your supporting arguments.

You are the one that doesn't want to discuss your position, comparing pros and cons, seriously or honestly.

 

[AntonToo]

You are the one that keeps retreating into rhetorical games when someone seriously addresses your supporting arguments.

You are the one that doesn't want to discuss your position, comparing pros and cons, seriously or honestly.

I've explained to you clearly what I believe it takes for Urkaine to have peace.

What part of that have you addressed? No part is the correct answer.

When are you going to stop wasting everyone's time with your bullshit already?

 

[Correll]

You say that, but absent is any reason for me to take you seriously.

I've clearly explained to you my position and you've yet to rationally explain why the hell you would make up some bullshit about me not wanting peace for Ukraine.

Your opposition to peace talks, when the alternative a long lasting and bloody war, means that your strategy is one of long lasting and bloody war.


Is your positon that peace can only come if Ukraine is able to drive Russia from it's territory and Russia accepts that Ukraine becomes a member of NATO?

Because you have not explained what you want, but that seems to be what you want.

 

[AntonToo]

Your opposition to peace talks, when the alternative a long lasting and bloody war

No dummy, my position is that peace talks are worthless if there is no point of agreement.

Putin wants to control Ukraine, Ukraine will never accept Russia controlling it. You can peace talk all you want but that is never going to change and what Trump is doing is not simply talking, but taking steps that are helpful to Putin and bad for Ukraine's negotiating position.

 

[Correll]

No dummy, my position is that peace talks are worthless if there is no point of agreement.

"no point of agreement" is a meaningless statement, before negotations take place.

Given and take are part of negotiations. Points of agreement can and will be found.

Putin wants to control Ukraine, Ukraine will never accept Russia controlling it.

And again, you get vague to hide your true meaning. ANd what you say is stupid.

Sure, Putin WANTS to control ukraine. He's not getting that. He lost. The negotiations will be about how he can admit that, without being murdered by his own people.

Ukraine WILL accept russian controlling SOME of it's territory, becuase it doesn't have the power to eject Russia. That is a reality that they and you will have to accept.

You can peace talk all you want but that is never going to change

You said PUTIN WANT UKRAINE and tehn say that will never change.

That's a silly thing to say. PUTIN has lost 200k men and ruined his army.

IT WILL CHANGE. putin is going to accept that he will not get all of ukraine.


And that is one example. THINGS do change, when wars drag on for years. Your claim otherwise is nonsense.

and what Trump is doing is not simply talking, but taking steps that are helpful to Putin and bad for Ukraine's negotiating position.

YOu are being willing blind to what is happening, putting partisan politics ahead of the lives of millions.

 

[AntonToo]

"no point of agreement" is a meaningless statement, before negotations take place.

Given and take are part of negotiations. Points of agreement can and will be found.

You clearly have no clue how the world works.

No, there is not always a point of agreement.

There is NO POINT OF AGREEMENT as long as Putin will not accept Ukraine's sovereignty.

There is NO POINT OF AGREEMENT as long as Putin rejects Ukraine having means to defend itself.

There is NO POINT OF AGREEMENT as long as Putin thinks he can eventually subjugate Ukraine if he simply continues the military campaign.


As it stands there cannot be an agreement to peace because the minimal terms of the two sides are mutually exclusive, and the job of the western alliance is to move those minimal terms by forcing Putin to understand very clearly that he will NEVER be able to control Ukraine.

What Trump has done so far is the OPPOSITE of convincing Putin that he can't achieve his goals by continuing the war. And that won't change until he stops having spats with our allies, stops apeasing Putin, and starts projecting a clear, dedicated support for Ukraine's defense.

 

[Luckyone]

Lies and more Lies from Trump for his and Putin's benefit.

White House Handed Intel Blowing Up Trump’s Battlefield Claim​

President Donald Trump has said repeatedly that Ukrainian soldiers are “encircled” in the Russian region of Kursk, despite being told by the CIA and other intelligence agencies that this isn’t true, according to Reuters.

Trump now publicly claimed several times that President Volodymyr Zelensky’s forces have become “encircled” by Vladimir Putin’s. On March 14, he wrote on Truth Social that they are “completely surrounded.” He again made the assertion during a visit to the Kennedy Center on Monday.

The president’s most recent claim came when he told Fox News host Laura Ingraham earlier this week that “Russia has the advantage.”

“They have encircled about 2,500 [Ukrainian] soldiers. They are nicely encircled, that’s not good,” he said, despite denials from Ukrainian authorities.

Now, three U.S. and European officials familiar with the situation have told Reuters that, despite definite pressure on Ukrainian troops in the region, they are not encircled, as Trump has said.

The sources told the news wire that the White House has been informed of that by intelligence agencies, including the CIA, over the past week. Even still, Trump has continued to talk about their encirclement.

That, Reuters reports, is an attempt by Putin to make it seem that he is showing humanity and offering concessions, in a bid to strengthen his hand in peace negotiations.

TRUMP IS HELPING PUTIN!

 

[Correll]

You clearly have no clue how the world works.

No, there is not always a point of agreement.

There is NO POINT OF AGREEMENT as long as Putin will not accept Ukraine's sovereignty.

There is NO POINT OF AGREEMENT as long as Putin rejects Ukraine having means to defend itself.

There is NO POINT OF AGREEMENT as long as Putin thinks he can eventually subjugate Ukraine if he simply continues the military campaign.


As it stands there cannot be an agreement to peace because the minimal terms of the two sides are mutually exclusive, and the job of the western alliance is to move those minimal terms by forcing Putin to understand very clearly that he will NEVER be able to control Ukraine.

What Trump has done so far is the OPPOSITE of convincing Putin that he can't achieve his goals by continuing the war. And that won't change until he stops having spats with our allies, stops apeasing Putin, and starts projecting a clear, dedicated support for Ukraine's defense.

Putin at this point, should be realizing that he probably CANNOT eventually subjucate Ukaine.

The cost is too high nad his army just cannot break though. THey are paying with blood adn gold for every inch, at a price that is too high and a rate that is too slow.


Thus, an agreement can be reached.

Your denial of this fact is not rational.

 

[AntonToo]

Lies and more Lies from Trump for his and Putin's benefit.

Yep, Trump knows he looks like a useful idiot when he continuously gives concessions to Putin and getting exactly nothing.

 

[Correll]

Yep, Trump knows he looks like a useful idiot when he continuously gives concessions to Putin and getting exactly nothing.

What concessions has he given?

 

[AntonToo]

Putin at this point, should be realizing that he probably CANNOT eventually subjucate Ukaine.

Why should he when Trump is busy fighting with Zelenskyy, is spatting with our allies, interferes with appropriated weapons and intelligence assistance, rejects any security guarantees and puts exactly zero pressure on Putin?

Why the hell would Putin do anything differently when this is going so well for him with Trump?

 

[mamooth]

What concessions has he given?

Allowing Russia to keep all occupied territory, no reparations, no war crimes prosecutions, no requirement to return kidnapped Ukrainian children, agreeing to keep Ukraine out of NATO, removing most Ukrainian aid, promising to remove sanctions.

Trump's starting negotiating position was complete surrender, and now Russia can negotiate for more from that point. It's the same deal Trump gave the Taliban. Surrendering is what he does. The Russians will probably ask for Alaska, and Trump will hand it over.

 

[AntonToo]

What concessions has he given?

...I've already listed them. Just read.

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Mar 19, 2025

And while putin is not doing a ceasefire, teh weapons continue to flow and russia continues to bleed.

Thus your position is clearly wrong.

In which way what I’ve just explain to you is “wrong”?

Putin, by doing NOTHING, already got Trump to

halt existing weapons and intelligence sharing, even if briefly.
no new aid spending package in sight.
get into fight with Zelenskyy,
refuse to recognize Russia as the aggressor.
stop American electronic counter intelligence against Russia.
resume flights to Russia
resume international Russian sport participation.
reject NATO membership to...

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[Correll]

Why should he when Trump is busy fighting with Zelenskyy, is spatting with our allies, interferes with appropriated weapons and intelligence assistance, rejects any security guarantees and puts exactly zero pressure on Putin?

Why the hell would Putin do anything differently when this is going so well for him with Trump?

Because he has already lost 200k men and is losing more every day.

And becasue he is gaining ground so slowly that there is no sign that this war will end any time soon.

 

[Correll]

Allowing Russia to keep all occupied territory,

You going to kick them out? Me neither. Ukraine certainly can't, not in any reasonable timeframe.

no reparations, no war crimes prosecutions, no requirement to return kidnapped Ukrainian children,

Russia is broke. Demanding large sums of money from them is not a good demand.

agreeing to keep Ukraine out of NATO,

You really prepared to fight a nuclear wwiii, over ukraine? Is that really something you want?

removing most Ukrainian aid, promising to remove sanctions.

Trump's starting negotiating position was complete surrender, and now Russia can negotiate for more from that point. It's the same deal Trump gave the Taliban. Surrendering is what he does. The Russians will probably ask for Alaska, and Trump will hand it over.

Complete surrender would be russia getting all of ukraine.

Why are you unable to be honest for even a second?

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

No dummy, my position is that peace talks are worthless if there is no point of agreement.

Putin wants to control Ukraine, Ukraine will never accept Russia controlling it. You can peace talk all you want but that is never going to change and what Trump is doing is not simply talking, but taking steps that are helpful to Putin and bad for Ukraine's negotiating position.

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Opening your post with a personal attack is a great way to insure that you'll never be taken seriously.

Keep it up.




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