24 Hours? How about 1330 Hours have passed and no end to the Russian/Ukraine war! Trump Con?

[Correll]

You have garbage in your head. I've said nothing about my motivations, what I said is that I have no problem criticizing shameless lying no matter what side it's on.

now you are playing silly word games.

Anything to avoid discussing the issue honestly or seriously.


standard lib tactics.


My point stands. Your stated reason for having a hissy fit over the 24 hour bit, is not credible.


YOu are simply attacking on a point you don't actually care about, because on some level you know that you cannot defend your actual policy of endless war.

 

[AntonToo]

now you are playing silly word games.

Anything to avoid discussing the issue honestly or seriously.


standard lib tactics.


My point stands. Your stated reason for having a hissy fit over the 24 hour bit, is not credible.


YOu are simply attacking on a point you don't actually care about, because on some level you know that you cannot defend your actual policy of endless war.

There are no word games, only your inability to understand very simple concepts.

 

[Correll]

There are no word games, only your inability to understand very simple concepts.

MAGA wants a peace deal, you lefties want endless war.


That is what this political issue is about.

Your whining about Trump not getting a peace deal that you don't want, FASTER, is just shit talk.

 

[AntonToo]

MAGA wants a peace deal

Thats ok, MAGA wants a lot of rainbow-and-unicorn bullshit it doesn't understand.

Ignorant wanting something doesn't make it so.

 

[Correll]

Thats ok, MAGA wants a lot of rainbow-and-unicorn bullshit it doesn't understand.

Wanting something doesn't make it so.

LOL.

Never said it did.

But, your complaint is not that we cannot do it. Your actual complaint is that you don't WANT that.

 

[AntonToo]

Your whining about Trump not getting a peace deal that you don't want, FASTER, is just shit talk.

My criticism is specifically about his shameless lying during election and about his actions so far adding up to making Ukraine's position worse, Putin's position better.

I of course want a peace deal and what Trump has so far done has been counter-productive to that goal. What he is doing is giving Putin every reason to believe that material support for Ukraine can weaken and he'll be able to achieve his goals militarily.

 

[Luckyone]

YOu are clealry invested in this conflict. For partisan reasons if nothing else.

You call morals, ethics, principles and humanity partisan?

Hey, maybe you are right, given that Trump and his supporters (like you) are against those. As such, I guess I am partisan in that respect.

That's a bit hard to believe of a lib in the modern world.

Now, who is being partisan making such a statement. You mean that no libs can have morals, ethics, principles, or humanity?

Fuck you

YOu don't seem sad. You seem happy when the peace deal is not yet delivered. You gloat when Trump does not succeed.

You truly are fucked up and after this conversation, I will not answer your posts anymore.

I HOPE that I am wrong (and I have stated this, many times before). I hope that Trump does things that improve this nation without causing the damage to be bigger than the benefit.

My brain, my knowledge, my experience, and my ability to evaluate things, tells me that Trump is not going to be able to do that. I believe he is incompetent, uncaring, egocentric, abuser of power, and lover of power and that he will do damage to our country.

This is not an issue about wanting, desiring, or of feeding my ego. This is not ABOUT ME. It is about my (our) nation and what is best for it. It is about what common sense tells me is going to happen. I talk and mention it with the HOPE that others (who are blind BY CHOICE) can see it too and slowly but surely pressure can be put to stop this damage from occurring, or now from "continuing" to occur.

I hurt every day seeing what is happening unfairly to so many people because of Trump and Musk's actions. It is not pain that I am suffering myself as my job is not at risk, my income is not at risk, my health is not at risk. As such, what I feel is pain for others (something it seems you are incapable of doing).

I want peace but not at the cost that Trump is charging

YOu still haven't explained why you complain, when you get what you want, ie the war to continue.

That is a simple question to answer. I do it because it is the right thing to do and God will see it and judge me for it when I die.

Same question back to you. Why are you here and why are YOU defending Trump?

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

You call morals, ethics, principles and humanity partisan?

Hey, maybe you are right, given that Trump and his supporters (like you) are against those. As such, I guess I am partisan in that respect.


Now, who is being partisan making such a statement. You mean that no libs can have morals, ethics, principles, or humanity?

Fuck you


You truly are fucked up and after this conversation, I will not answer your posts anymore.

I HOPE that I am wrong (and I have stated this, many times before). I hope that Trump does things that improve this nation without causing the damage to be bigger than the benefit.

My brain, my knowledge, my experience, and my ability to evaluate things, tells me that Trump is not going to be able to do that. I believe he is incompetent, uncaring, egocentric, abuser of power, and lover of power and that he will do damage to our country.

This is not an issue about wanting, desiring, or of feeding my ego. This is not ABOUT ME. It is about my (our) nation and what is best for it. It is about what common sense tells me is going to happen. I talk and mention it with the HOPE that others (who are blind BY CHOICE) can see it too and slowly but surely pressure can be put to stop this damage from occurring, or now from "continuing" to occur.

I hurt every day seeing what is happening unfairly to so many people because of Trump and Musk's actions. It is not pain that I am suffering myself as my job is not at risk, my income is not at risk, my health is not at risk. As such, what I feel is pain for others (something it seems you are incapable of doing).

I want peace but not at the cost that Trump is charging

That is a simple question to answer. I do it because it is the right thing to do and God will see it and judge me for it when I die.

Same question back to you. Why are you here and why are YOU defending Trump?

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Comedy gold.

Keep it coming.



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[Nostra]

Biden let Putin invade Ukraine resulting in hundreds of thousands of deaths. He had no plan to end the slaughter. His plan was to indefinitely spend hundreds of billions of our tax dollars to continue the deaths.

And Dimtards start a pissy pants thread cuz Trump didn’t clean up his mess in 24 hours.

They are lunatics.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

it's a distinction without difference because Trump is still lying. That fact is something that shouldn't be debatable and yet here you are. This is something a child might argue with their mother over so he isn't punished for lying. You're basically making the same argument of a 7 year old.



Putin has lost way more than just a lot of men and yet, he's still making Trump wait 3 hours for a scheduled phone call, like a chump. Although, afterwards, Putin did agree to a 30 day ceasefire on Ukraine's energy infrastructure, which he promptly broke a few hours later by striking Ukraine's energy infrastructure, LOL. Position of weakness, you say? You are the fool here and Putin just proved it in a matter of hours. Putin sends his love and warm wishes to his army of useful idiots



Then why did Dump make the claim that he will not be providing any arms assistance after the mineral deal is settled? Why does he say that Ukraine doesn't need to be included in peace talks? Why would someone interested in peace make such a public statement? How can real peace be achieved by leaving out one of the countries involved? It seems to me that Trump is planning a double cross of Ukraine whereby he eventually leaves Ukraine defenseless and allows Russia to run over them. That's basically what Dump did in his afghanistan pull out deal. He handicapped our ability to fight back, while giving the Taliban everything, and he made this deal behind everyone's back. This is the person you're bending down to kiss their toes.

I never forgot the point I was making, since I'm still continuing to make it, but it's still not getting through to you. Perhaps you have a hard time following in your old age.




Dump's only mission is to himself. This whole "saving lives" bullshit is just another right wing, maga talking point. You wouldn't believe how often I see this repeated over and over. It's like you people are handed scripts to read and you do it, verbatim.



That's already been happening for 3 years now, what's another day, another month, another year? The difference now is, Putin has an asset in the oval office he can bend to his will.

Talk about lying you're one of the biggest if you believe that garbage you just posted.

 

[krichton]

The halting of weapons to the ukraine was to bring zelenski into line. That had to be done.


As to what price is putin paying? The weapons are still flowing. Russia is still bleeding.

Just like you want. So, why are you so upset? If Trump fails, you win. YOu get your endless war.


Why are you not happy to see that Putin is still holding out?

And what has been done to bring Russia into line? Absolutely nothing. All I've seen is Trump calling Zelensky a dictator and accusing Ukraine of starting the war. Not a peep deriding Putin though. Funny how that works. I wonder why that would be, hmmm?

Russia has been dealing with weapons flowing in Ukraine for 3 years. Trump simply maintaining the status quo is not going to motivate Putin to concede, lol. Bear in mind, Trump hasn't authorized any new weapons packages for Ukraine. They're only getting what was authorized before by Biden and Congress. All Putin needs to do is ride out this last shipment of weapons. How long will that last, 3-4 months, tops? Why would Putin concede to anything when Trump is trying to help his buddy win this war? In Putin's mind, the war is already over.

 

[krichton]

putin can't afford to lose men and materials the way that he has been.

Russia is being bled WHITE.


if Trump is still letting the weaons flow, that proves your claim not only wrong, but very stupid.

Quick question. How long will Ukraine last after this last batch of weapons is used up? You know Trump isn't going to authorize new weapons after this, right? This has been Trump's end goal all along. How many times can Trump pause weapons shipments (the first was in 2019) to Ukraine before you finally stick your head out of the sand and realize he's a freaking russian asset and a traitor? Dump is basically shouting it at the top his lungs.

 

[Correll]

My criticism is specifically about his shameless lying during election and about his actions so far adding up to making Ukraine's position worse, Putin's position better.

THe way you still pretend to not get Trump, ten years in, is dumb.

I of course want a peace deal

I am shocked to hear you say that. EVERYTHING, you and your side has done and said, shows the opposite, that you want the war to go on for a very long time, to weaken Russia greatly, without any concern for ukrainian losses.

Or the risks of losing or the risk of escalation.

and what Trump has so far done has been counter-productive to that goal.

Zelenski had to be brought to heel. That was not counter-productive.

What he is doing is giving Putin every reason to believe that material support for Ukraine can weaken and he'll be able to achieve his goals militarily.

I doubt that. The only people talking nonsense about Trump doing that, is far left partisans. I would hope that Putin knows enough to discount their shit talk.

ANd if not, if he is dumb enough to believe the shit talk they spew, well, then you get the longer war you want and the greatly weaken russia, at the expense of ukrainian men, women and children.

So, YEAH!!, for you. And you lefties.

 

[Correll]

You call morals, ethics, principles and humanity partisan?

Hey, maybe you are right, given that Trump and his supporters (like you) are against those. As such, I guess I am partisan in that respect.


Now, who is being partisan making such a statement. You mean that no libs can have morals, ethics, principles, or humanity?

Fuck you

The behavior from libs, over the last few years, shows that very, very, very few libs, if any, have such things.

Your whining about stupid shit, scoring partisan gotchas while Trump is trying to make peace, is a good example.

You truly are fucked up and after this conversation, I will not answer your posts anymore.

I HOPE that I am wrong (and I have stated this, many times before). I hope that Trump does things that improve this nation without causing the damage to be bigger than the benefit.

My brain, my knowledge, my experience, and my ability to evaluate things, tells me that Trump is not going to be able to do that. I believe he is incompetent, uncaring, egocentric, abuser of power, and lover of power and that he will do damage to our country.

This is not an issue about wanting, desiring, or of feeding my ego. This is not ABOUT ME. It is about my (our) nation and what is best for it. It is about what common sense tells me is going to happen. I talk and mention it with the HOPE that others (who are blind BY CHOICE) can see it too and slowly but surely pressure can be put to stop this damage from occurring, or now from "continuing" to occur.

I hurt every day seeing what is happening unfairly to so many people because of Trump and Musk's actions. It is not pain that I am suffering myself as my job is not at risk, my income is not at risk, my health is not at risk. As such, what I feel is pain for others (something it seems you are incapable of doing).

I want peace but not at the cost that Trump is charging

That is a simple question to answer. I do it because it is the right thing to do and God will see it and judge me for it when I die.

That is still bullshit. If Trump fails, then the status quo continues and you get what you want, ie the aid flows, Ukraine fights, russia is bled.

Same question back to you. Why are you here and why are YOU defending Trump?

In this context, I support Trump on the idea of a peace deal. I am NOT prepared to see the war continue indefinetely, with some long term goal of driving Russia from every inch of ukrainian land.

That is not an achievable goal, not without sacrificing far too many ukrainian lives.

It is also worth noting, that ALL the talk of Trump or maga being on Putin's side, is shit talk by assholes, who are just being asshole for the sake of being assholes and continuing a bloody war.

 

[Correll]

And what has been done to bring Russia into line? Absolutely nothing. All I've seen is Trump calling Zelensky a dictator and accusing Ukraine of starting the war. Not a peep deriding Putin though. Funny how that works. I wonder why that would be, hmmm?

Putin is the one that has lost 200k men and wrecked his army in a losing war.

He needs to come to terms with that and try to save some face, so that his own people don't kill him.

The situation calls not for bringing the hammer down on him, but bribing him with some shit talk, for him to pass along to his people.

To suger coat the loss of a war and 200k men.

Russia has been dealing with weapons flowing in Ukraine for 3 years.

Russia has been losing men and material that they can not afford to lose, for 3 years.

Every day is more than they can afford.

Putin is long past, spending good money after bad, and by money, I more mean, the lives of his people.

Trump simply maintaining the status quo is not going to motivate Putin to concede, lol.

SUre it does. Russia is being bled white. Putin would not even be talking, if this was not the case.

If the situation was as you claim, that would mean that Russia was WINNING, and Trump's attempt at peace would be completely doomed.

Which would mean that the only possible outcome of this, would be trump failing and you getting what you want, AND a bonus prize of partisan scores.

Yet, you seem very unhappy about events....

Bear in mind, Trump hasn't authorized any new weapons packages for Ukraine. They're only getting what was authorized before by Biden and Congress. All Putin needs to do is ride out this last shipment of weapons. How long will that last, 3-4 months, tops? Why would Putin concede to anything when Trump is trying to help his buddy win this war? In Putin's mind, the war is already over.

That is an absolutely retarded claim. If Putin is unreasonable and just tries to run out the clock, Trump will continue the aid, and russia will continue to bleed.

The only way that putin could believe what you claim, would be if he was dumb enough to believe the stupid shit talk that dems have been saying.


And I can't believe that Putin would be that dumb.

 

[Correll]

Quick question. How long will Ukraine last after this last batch of weapons is used up? You know Trump isn't going to authorize new weapons after this, right? This has been Trump's end goal all along. How many times can Trump pause weapons shipments (the first was in 2019) to Ukraine before you finally stick your head out of the sand and realize he's a freaking russian asset and a traitor? Dump is basically shouting it at the top his lungs.

You would be more credible if you didn't talk like a baby.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

You would be more credible if you didn't talk like a baby.

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Poster can't stop talking like a baby. He/she/it belongs to a cult that takes pride in never having intellectually or emotionally matured past age 4.

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[Nuthin' Fancy]

Hey, fucktard, $6000000/250 = $24,000

You're right.
I apologize.

 

[AntonToo]

THe way you still pretend to not get Trump, ten years in, is dumb.

The way you can't rationaly discuss topic at hand is dumb.

 

[AntonToo]

I am shocked to hear you say that. EVERYTHING, you and your side has done and said, shows the opposite, that you want the war to go on for a very long time, to weaken Russia greatly, without any concern for ukrainian losses.

Because you many many problems with comprehension.

You pull your conclusions directly out of your politico ass and then you are "shocked" when explained simple facts.

Everything I've said was consistent with finding long term peace for sovereign Ukraine and the shortest path to that is STEADFAST SUPPORT OF THEIR DEFENSE, so Putin knows he has no chance to make any millitary gains, knows that he has no chance to subjugate Ukraine, knows that continued invasion does nothing but wreck his country.

Trump is doing THE OPPOSITE. All the Trump chaos, wheeling, dealing and fighting with our allies gives Putin reason to hang in, collect free concessions and drag out the conflict.