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I'd tend to agree with you guys. It's all about the nanny state deciding what's best for us. We've been moving from citizens to subjects for a long time.The seed of this topic is a conversation I had with some folks at a place called Eric Peters Autos. THEY firmly believe that their personal rights are being attacked (and I tend to agree) because it is illegal to manufacture or purchase that 1970 tech auto in the USA at any price. The politics of the legality is why I figure my topic is OK in this particular forum.
To a certain degree yes but the other side of that coin is that diagnostics are much quicker and far more accurate.I agree. But repair costs are up. All that electric shit is rough on the wallet and labor costs.No doubt about it, the current models. Current automobiles are light years ahead of a 1970's auto from the standpoint of features, safety, efficiency and quality not to mention they'll typically last at least twice as long.If it were possible to buy a new 1970 compact auto for its inflation adjusted 1970 price (around $14500) or a current typical compact auto your choice would be?
In other words you're getting much more value for the money from today's automobiles, global competition has played a large part in that as well as enormous advances in technology.
Older machines were more simple. However, the luxury is undeniable.
Consumers have a choice, they can buy a more modern vehicle or restore an old one but manufacturers can't make vehicles that are not compliant with law, specifically safety laws.If it were possible to buy a new 1970 compact auto for its inflation adjusted 1970 price (around $14500) or a current typical compact auto your choice would be?
I agree that this doesn't really belong in politics, but the inflation adjusted price is not really accurate. First, most cars in the 1970's, including Toyota's, did not use fuel injection. This meant that the mileage and fuel economy was insufficient by modern standards. Second, the crash ratings of those 1970's cars would make them death traps by modern standards. Even the joke Smart cars have more protection for the occupants than a similar compact car from that era.
By the time you add in all those safety features, and pollution restrictions, and fuel economy requirements, you end up with a car that is much more expensive than the inflation adjusted car you started this thread with.
Volkswagen Beetles for example, inexpensive, reliable, easy to work on, easy to repair and replace. Once you add in all the mandated equipment, now is more expensive, heavier, and granted, more economical with gasoline. It is also safer, and more crashworthy.
The question is what would you want your kids in? A 1970's Toyota Corolla or a 2016 Toyota Corolla? Both have 4 cylinder engines. The modern one is heavier, goes farther on a gallon of gasoline, has reinforced doors to reduce intrusions into the passenger area, crumple zones to help absorb the impact, air bags to help cushion the G-Forces endured in an accident. Preloaded seat belts that automatically tighten when an accident happens. Produces Carbon Dioxide instead of Carbon Monoxide.
You would not only be giving up anti-lock brakes, but giving up disk brakes for drums, which are worse.
Now with all that to consider, you can still get some compact cars in the general ballpark of the price you're talking about. Kia and Hyundai and several other makers have cars in that general price range.
I understand the differences in technology. BTW, that '1970' car could likely be built in a modern factory and sold at a profit for maybe $8 - 9K. Question is should consumers be by law denied that choice?
I'd tend to agree with you guys. It's all about the nanny state deciding what's best for us. We've been moving from citizens to subjects for a long time.The seed of this topic is a conversation I had with some folks at a place called Eric Peters Autos. THEY firmly believe that their personal rights are being attacked (and I tend to agree) because it is illegal to manufacture or purchase that 1970 tech auto in the USA at any price. The politics of the legality is why I figure my topic is OK in this particular forum.
The 70s used heavier metal and I think with a few updates could be a good car. Gas mileage could be improved too but it should be up to us, not mother government.
As far as a compact, I always liked the looks of a Falcon. Never had one so don't know if they were any good. And it's compact by 1970s standards!
Ah thanks. Then I'm switching my vote.I'd tend to agree with you guys. It's all about the nanny state deciding what's best for us. We've been moving from citizens to subjects for a long time.The seed of this topic is a conversation I had with some folks at a place called Eric Peters Autos. THEY firmly believe that their personal rights are being attacked (and I tend to agree) because it is illegal to manufacture or purchase that 1970 tech auto in the USA at any price. The politics of the legality is why I figure my topic is OK in this particular forum.
The 70s used heavier metal and I think with a few updates could be a good car. Gas mileage could be improved too but it should be up to us, not mother government.
As far as a compact, I always liked the looks of a Falcon. Never had one so don't know if they were any good. And it's compact by 1970s standards!
That's a Torino, not a Falcon.
touché!To a certain degree yes but the other side of that coin is that diagnostics are much quicker and far more accurate.I agree. But repair costs are up. All that electric shit is rough on the wallet and labor costs.No doubt about it, the current models. Current automobiles are light years ahead of a 1970's auto from the standpoint of features, safety, efficiency and quality not to mention they'll typically last at least twice as long.If it were possible to buy a new 1970 compact auto for its inflation adjusted 1970 price (around $14500) or a current typical compact auto your choice would be?
In other words you're getting much more value for the money from today's automobiles, global competition has played a large part in that as well as enormous advances in technology.
Older machines were more simple. However, the luxury is undeniable.
you could get 100k before major work started to be needed. but its not like today's cars. if your car dies before 200k now, you just dont know how to take care of something, and chances are even if you never do anything as far as regular maintenance, you still will see 200k out of it.A car in the 1970's had a lifespan of about 60k miles...
I think it was AMC without looking it up. Every car was shit.Ford did not make the Gremlin.
Yes it was AMC, they also made that hideous monstrosity commonly known as the Pacer.I think it was AMC without looking it up. Every car was shit.Ford did not make the Gremlin.
I think it was AMC without looking it up. Every car was shit.Ford did not make the Gremlin.
oh yes, the old Cogsworth aluminum engine. for a small car in the day they really were not that bad. Compared to what you get today they were total crap, but in the day if you cared for it right and drove it right there was no reason you couldnt get a good solid 50k out of that engine before it was toasted enough to smear butter on it.I had a 1975 Chevy Vega.... looked great, but what a piece of shit. Aluminum block.... yeah, great idea.
even back in the day when the Pacer came out people looked at it and said WTF???? then laughed. That was one car that you did not want your friends seeing you drive.
I know Eric Peters and I don't think you have that right. His point is the government has fucked up everything with their regulations on fuel mileage and crash tests, that cars are too expensive, too complicated, and too heavy. I had a VW Jetta diesel in 1979. The damn thing got 55 mpg and ran like top. Thanks to Uncle diesels were regulated so heavily for emissions that Americans got screwed.No doubt about it, the current models. Current automobiles are light years ahead of a 1970's auto from the standpoint of features, safety, efficiency and quality not to mention they'll typically last at least twice as long.If it were possible to buy a new 1970 compact auto for its inflation adjusted 1970 price (around $14500) or a current typical compact auto your choice would be?
In other words you're getting much more value for the money from today's automobiles, global competition has played a large part in that as well as enormous advances in technology.
The seed of this topic is a conversation I had with some folks at a place called Eric Peters Autos. THEY firmly believe that their personal rights are being attacked (and I tend to agree) because it is illegal to manufacture or purchase that 1970 tech auto in the USA at any price. The politics of the legality is why I figure my topic is OK in this particular forum.
