Zionism and Nazism: is there a difference that makes a difference?

[docmauser1]

Do you find it remarkable Chomsky is the 8th most quoted author of all time?

Of course, not. Chomskin isn't the only one to admire Pol Pot, after all.

 

[mdn2000]

Because the rich have no answers to his questions.

He's also never been banned from USMB.

Unlike you.

Crackpot.

Chomsky is the rich, you stated top .02% of wealthiest Americans.

 

[georgephillip]

You stated that.

Not that you're likely to notice.

 

[Marc39]

You stated that.

Not that you're likely to notice.

Funny how in 40 years, Chomsky has never been consulted by one US president nor one member of Congress nor the US State Dept nor the US Defense Dept nor the NY Times nor the Washington Post nor Time or Newsweek magazines nor Meet The Press.

Chomsky is a legend...in his own mind.

 

[FrankZapper]

You stated that.

Not that you're likely to notice.

Funny how in 40 years, Chomsky has never been consulted by one US president nor one member of Congress nor the US State Dept nor the US Defense Dept nor the NY Times nor the Washington Post nor Time or Newsweek magazines nor Meet The Press.

Chomsky is a legend...in his own mind.

Funny how in 40 years, you've never been consulted by anyone either.

marc is a legend...in his own mind.

 

[georgephillip]

"By 1934 the SS had become the most pro-Zionist element in the Nazi Party.

"Other Nazis were even calling them 'soft' on the Jews. Baron von Mildenstein had returned from his six-month visit to Palestine as an ardent Zionist sympathiser.

"Now as the head of the Jewish Department of the SS’s Security Service, he started studying Hebrew and collecting Hebrew records; when his former companion and guide, Kurt Tuchler, visited his office in 1934, he was greeted by the strains of familiar Jewish folk tunes. [16] There were maps on the walls showing the rapidly increasing strength of Zionism inside Germany. [17]

"Von Mildenstein was as good as his word: he not only wrote favourably about what he saw in the Zionist colonies in Palestine; he also persuaded Goebbels to run the report as a massive twelve-part series in his own Der Angriff (The Assault), the leading Nazi propaganda organ (26 September to 9 October 1934).

"His stay among the Zionists had shown the SS man 'the way to curing a centuries-long wound on the body of the world: the Jewish question'.

"It was really amazing how some good Jewish boden under his feet could enliven the Jew: 'The soil has reformed him and his kind in a decade. This new Jew will be a new people.' [18]

"To commemorate the Baron’s expedition, Goebbels had a medal struck: on one side the swastika, on the other the Zionist star."

Zionism in

 

[Marc39]

"B]By 1934 the SS had become the most pro-Zionist element in the Nazi Party[/B].

 

[georgephillip]

"Goebbels
had a medal struck.
On one side
the Swastika
On the other
the Zionist star."

Feeling proud of your roots?

Baby killer.

 

[Marc39]

"Goebbels
had a medal struck.
On one side
the Swastika
On the other
the Zionist star."

Feeling proud of your roots?

Baby killer.

Equating Israelis with Nazis is antiSemitism, Nazi George, under US and EU guidelines.

Take your genetic white trash mental illness elsewhere.

Martin Luther King, Jr...

When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You are talking anti-Semitism.

I see Israel as one of the great outposts of democracy in the world, and a marvelous example of what can be done, how desert land can be transformed into an oasis of brotherhood and democracy. Peace for Israel means security and that security must be a reality.

I solemnly pledge to do my utmost to uphold the fair name of the Jews -- because bigotry in any form is an affront to us all.

 

[georgephillip]

Are you refuting Brenner's claim that Goebbels once ordered a medal struck with the Nazi Swastika on one side and the Zionist star on the other?

"Princeton"?

Do you choke on the thought that the Land of Israel depended upon the murderers of six million Jews for its existence?

Or do you just swallow?

Like everything else the rich shove down your throat?

 

[Marc39]

Are you refuting Brenner's claim that Goebbels once ordered a medal struck with the Nazi Swastika on one side and the Zionist star on the other?

"Princeton"?

Do you choke on the thought that the Land of Israel depended upon the murderers of six million Jews for its existence?

Or do you just swallow?

Like everything else the rich shove down your throat?

 

[Marc39]

Are you refuting Brenner's claim that Goebbels once ordered a medal struck with the Nazi Swastika on one side and the Zionist star on the other?

"Princeton"?

Do you choke on the thought that the Land of Israel depended upon the murderers of six million Jews for its existence?

Or do you just swallow?

Like everything else the rich shove down your throat?

Open a history book, clown. Israel existed twice in antiquity as a state and at least 3200 years ago, substantiated by the archaeological record.

 

[georgephillip]

So what?

Do you want a world where everyone has to right to "own" land their ancestors' occupied thousands of years ago?

'Might be hard on Hollywood and Manhattan.

 

[daveman]

I called it in post #3, and the usual suspects have been falling all over themselves to prove me right.

Thanks, guys!

 

[georgephillip]

Don't you think you're being a little harsh on Marc "the Banned Bitch"39?

If you became convinced Zionists living in Israel during WWII offered to collaborate with Hitler by killing the British in Palestine, would that influence your current support for the Jewish state?

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[Marc39]

So what?

Do you want a world where everyone has to right to "own" land their ancestors' occupied thousands of years ago?

Americans live in America
Egyptians live in Egypt.
Saudis live in Saudi Arabia
Syrians live in Syria
Israelis live in Israel.

Simple enough for you, freak?

 

[daveman]

I couldn't have done it without you, George. Thanks for your support!

 

[georgephillip]

"Zionist factions competed for the honor of allying to Hitler.

"By 1940-41, the 'Stern Gang,' among them Yitzhak Shamir, later Prime Minister of Israel, presented the Nazis with the 'Fundamental Features of the Proposal of the National Military Organization in Palestine (Irgun Zvai Leumi) Concerning the Solution of the Jewish Question in Europe and the Participation of the NMO in the War on the Side of Germany.'"

How about a little love for Hitler's haver, Yitzhak?

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[Marc39]

"Zionist factions competed for the honor of allying to Hitler.

Bogus.

Not bogus...

Eminent Middle East historian Bernard Lewis: Nazis Collaborated With Arab Muslims ...

Then came the Third Reich, connections to the Arab world and, later, to other Muslim countries. Now that the German archives are open, we know that within weeks of Hitler’s coming to power in 1933, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem got in touch with the German consul general in Jerusalem, Doctor Heinrich Wolff, and offered his services. It is interesting that the common image of the Germans pursuing the Arabs is the reverse of what happened. The Arabs were pursuing the Germans.

The Germans turned their attention more seriously to the Arabs, responding at last to their approaches, and from then on the relationship developed very swiftly.

In 1940 the French surrender gave the Nazis new opportunities for action in the Arab world. In Vichy-controlled Syria they were able for a while to establish an intelligence and propaganda base in the heart of the Arab East. From Syria they extended their activities to Iraq, where they helped to establish a pro-Nazi regime headed by Rashid Ali al-Gailani. This was overthrown by the British, and Rashid Ali went to join his friend the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem in Berlin, where he remained as Hitler’s guest until the end of the war. In the last days of Rashid Ali’s regime, on the first and second of June 1941, soldiers and civilians launched murderous attacks on the ancient Jewish community in Baghdad. This was followed by a series of such attacks in other Arab cities, both in the Middle East and in North Africa.

In answer to a question from Rashid Ali as to whether anti-Semitism was also directed against Arabs, because they were part of the Semitic family, Professor Walter Gross, director of the Race Policy Office of the Nazi Party, explained with great emphasis, in a letter dated October 17, 1942, that this was not the case and that anti-Semitism was concerned wholly and exclusively with Jews. On the contrary, he observed, the Nazis had always shown sympathy and support for the Arab cause against the Jews. In the course of his letter, he even remarked that the expression “anti-Semitism, which has been used for decades in Europe by the anti-Jewish movement, was incorrect since this movement was directed exclusively against Jewry, and not against other peoples who speak a Semitic language.

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[georgephillip]

"Zionism convicts itself. On June 21, 1933, the German Zionist Federation sent a secret memorandum to the Nazis:

"Zionism has no illusions about the difficulty of the Jewish condition, which consists above all in an abnormal occupational pattern and in the fault of an intellectual and moral posture not rooted in one's own tradition.

"Zionism recognized decades ago that as a result of the assimilationist trend, symptoms of deterioration were bound to appear, which it seeks to overcome by carrying out its challenge to transform Jewish life completely."

Why would some Zionists equate assimilation with deterioration?

Would you call that racist?

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