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It's because my ethical code matches most of what you see as right or wrong and it is not nearly as flexible or conditional or downright pointlessly arbitrary as many right wing Christian's morals seem to be.
so you admit it....
tit for tat....what the hell gives you the right to impose your morals upon me.....?
This is where Christians like yourself fail the test of treasuring freedom, as far as I am concerned you can do anything you want as long as you are responsible and harm no one besides yourself, but you no doubt have a list as long as your arm of things you would make illegal for no other reason than to keep people from temptation and put us all on the narrow way. I am not imposing my morals on you at all but I would urge you to be a kind responsible citizen and to enjoy your life to the fullest, other than that I would just wish you the best and try not get in the way of other people's enjoyment of their one short life.
Secular morals are situational and changeable.
It is moral for one man to rob another in the secular religion, provided he has a good enough excuse. Then the immorality of the act is transferred to the victim who wouldn't share.
I'm secular- not aligned with any religion - and I don't believe that.
You're talking about relativism as being the basic philosophy of those who are secular.
Perhaps you could give an example of someone who is secular and demonstrates such a philosophy? Then, perhaps you could demonstrate how that would be a generality?
America is NOT governed by the Declaration of Independence!!!!!
More: Declaration of Independence & Christianity Myth: Does the Declaration of Independence Support Christianity?
However the Declaration of Independence is the foundation that made the U.S. Constitution possible. and some of the signers of the Declaration of Independence also signed the U.S. Constitution
You really are retarded. The DofI is irrelevant except to mushrooms like yourself.
Viagra is okay. OMG, but not contraceptives. Obama is not forcing anyone to use contraceptives. They should be covered under insurance (like Viagra) for those who wish to use them.
Secular morals are situational and changeable.
It is moral for one man to rob another in the secular religion, provided he has a good enough excuse. Then the immorality of the act is transferred to the victim who wouldn't share.
I'm secular- not aligned with any religion - and I don't believe that.
You're talking about relativism as being the basic philosophy of those who are secular.
Perhaps you could give an example of someone who is secular and demonstrates such a philosophy? Then, perhaps you could demonstrate how that would be a generality?
Secular morals are situational and changeable.
It is moral for one man to rob another in the secular religion, provided he has a good enough excuse. Then the immorality of the act is transferred to the victim who wouldn't share.
I'm secular- not aligned with any religion - and I don't believe that.
You're talking about relativism as being the basic philosophy of those who are secular.
Perhaps you could give an example of someone who is secular and demonstrates such a philosophy? Then, perhaps you could demonstrate how that would be a generality?
Here you go.
Absolute and relative morality
The objection with relative morality is that a person can justify any act, no matter how henious, as right and moral in that particular context.
A few years ago I was carjacked at gunpoint. The jacker was stealing cars in the US and selling them in mexico because he wanted the money to start a family business. All his relatives would be employed taxpayers. I wouldn't give him my car to sell in mexico. Therefore the moral act, the right thing to do is steal it. Punishing him by putting him in prison, was immoral because it prevented a larger good by creating jobs and tax payers. If a wrong was done, it was done by me for not giving him my car in the first place and reporting the theft to the police in the second place. The carjacker should never be punished because my loss was insured. No one was harmed but the insurance company which could easily afford (being big bad insurance) to get me another car.
He eventually got 13 years.
Bullhsit, Jefferson rewrote the Bible and eliminated all references to miracles.in general Christians have been quite tolerant toward liberals and their secularist viewpoints.....however over time that has changed as more and more realize the tolerance is NOT reciprocated....even your post demonstrates this hateful negative bias....
Your kind earned every bit though your efforts to turn the wall of seperation into a one way door to christian domination of secular policy.
the "wall of SEPARATION" never existed.....Thomas Jefferson was very religious in public life....
Thomas Jefferson to Charles Thomson, January 9, 1816Bullhsit, Jefferson rewrote the Bible and eliminated all references to miracles.Your kind earned every bit though your efforts to turn the wall of seperation into a one way door to christian domination of secular policy.
the "wall of SEPARATION" never existed.....Thomas Jefferson was very religious in public life....
Jefferson was a Diest.
Secular morals are situational and changeable.
It is moral for one man to rob another in the secular religion, provided he has a good enough excuse. Then the immorality of the act is transferred to the victim who wouldn't share.
I'm secular- not aligned with any religion - and I don't believe that.
You're talking about relativism as being the basic philosophy of those who are secular.
Perhaps you could give an example of someone who is secular and demonstrates such a philosophy? Then, perhaps you could demonstrate how that would be a generality?
since you are secular yourself....perhaps you could give us a standard or set of ethics to which you or most secularists in America adhere to....
Viagra is okay. OMG, but not contraceptives. Obama is not forcing anyone to use contraceptives. They should be covered under insurance (like Viagra) for those who wish to use them.
And employers or people who do not want to provide them have the right to purchase policies that do not provide them. I should not be forced to pay for something just because some jackass in Washington thinks he is morally or intellectually superior to the rest of the country.
Immie
Jefferson was a Christian too....albeit unconventional...Bullhsit, Jefferson rewrote the Bible and eliminated all references to miracles.Your kind earned every bit though your efforts to turn the wall of seperation into a one way door to christian domination of secular policy.
the "wall of SEPARATION" never existed.....Thomas Jefferson was very religious in public life....
Jefferson was a Deist.
Of the 55 delegates to the 1787 Constitutional Convention, 49 were Protestants, and two were Roman Catholics (D. Carroll, and Fitzsimons). Among the Protestant delegates to the Constitutional Convention, 28 were Church of England (or Episcopalian, after the American Revolutionary War was won), eight were Presbyterians, seven were Congregationalists, two were Lutherans, two were Dutch Reformed, and two were Methodists.
A few prominent Founding Fathers were anti-clerical Christians, such as Thomas Jefferson[18][19][20] (who created the so-called "Jefferson Bible") and Benjamin Franklin.[21] Others (most notably Thomas Paine) were deists, or at least held beliefs very similar to those of deists.
Founding Fathers of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jefferson rejected the orthodox Christianity of his day and was especially hostile to the Catholic Church as he saw it operate in France. Throughout his life Jefferson was intensely interested in theology, biblical study, and morality. As a landowner he played a role in governing his local Episcopal Church; in terms of belief he was inclined toward Deism and the moral philosophy of Christianity, though when he was home he attended the Episcopal church and raised his daughters in that faith. [195][196]
In a private letter to Benjamin Rush, Jefferson refers to himself as "Christian" (1803): "To the corruptions of Christianity I am, indeed, opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian, in the only sense in which he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others; ascribing to himself every human excellence..."[197] In a letter to his close friend William Short, Jefferson clarified, "it is not to be understood that I am with him [Jesus] in all his doctrines. I am a Materialist; he takes the side of Spiritualism; he preaches the efficacy of repentance toward forgiveness of sin; I require a counterpoise of good works to redeem it. Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others, again, of so much ignorance, of so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being."[198]
Jefferson praised the morality of Jesus and edited a compilation of his teachings, omitting the miracles and supernatural elements of the biblical account, titling it The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth.[199] Jefferson was firmly anticlerical saying that in "every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot...they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer for their purposes."[200]
Thomas Jefferson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
IF righties wish to ignore the separation of church and state, I suggest all religious institutions start paying TAXES.
if you believe there is a "wall of separation".....i suggest that all religious people be EXEMPT from taxation....
it's not a bullshit link and your link just confirmed it's true....of course the ACLU isn't going to put anything negative about it on its website....
homosexual activity is frowned upon by most Christian churches in America...that doesn't just magically change because some political groups deem it acceptable....so teaching Christian children about it as an acceptable lifestyle in the public schools is stepping on religious rights.....
No it is not. Not celebrating holidays and birthdays and being against blood transfusions are what Jehovah's Witnesses do. So all public school children need to be taught these things are wrong? NO!
You don't like the public school curriculum? Send your kids to private school or homeschool them. Means smaller class sizes for non-fundie kids.
Regards from Rosie
Yes it is stepping on rights. Not celebrating Christmas (a national holiday btw) is what the Secularists do.....so all public school children should be taught Christmas is wrong....? NO!
Thomas Jefferson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Religion
Further information: Thomas Jefferson and religion
Jefferson rejected the orthodox Christianity of his day and was especially hostile to the Catholic Church as he saw it operate in France. Throughout his life Jefferson was intensely interested in theology, biblical study, and morality. As a landowner he played a role in governing his local Episcopal Church; in terms of belief he was inclined toward Deism and the moral philosophy of Christianity, though when he was home he attended the Episcopal church and raised his daughters in that faith. [195][196]
In a private letter to Benjamin Rush, Jefferson refers to himself as "Christian" (1803): "To the corruptions of Christianity I am, indeed, opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian, in the only sense in which he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others; ascribing to himself every human excellence..."[197] In a letter to his close friend William Short, Jefferson clarified, "it is not to be understood that I am with him [Jesus] in all his doctrines. I am a Materialist; he takes the side of Spiritualism; he preaches the efficacy of repentance toward forgiveness of sin; I require a counterpoise of good works to redeem it. Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others, again, of so much ignorance, of so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being."[198]
Jefferson praised the morality of Jesus and edited a compilation of his teachings, omitting the miracles and supernatural elements of the biblical account, titling it The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth.[199] Jefferson was firmly anticlerical saying that in "every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot...they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer for their purposes."[200]
Jefferson rejected the idea of immaterial beings and considered the idea of an immaterial Creator a heresy introduced into Christianity. In a letter to John Adams, Jefferson wrote that to "talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. . . . At what age of the Christian church this heresy of immaterialism, this masked atheism, crept in, I do not know. But a heresy it certainly is. Jesus taught nothing of it. He told us indeed that 'God is a spirit,' but he has not defined what a spirit is, nor said that it is not matter. And the ancient fathers generally, if not universally, held it to be matter: light and thin indeed, an etherial gas; but still matter."[201]
In 1777, Jefferson drafted Virginia's An Act of Establishing Religious Freedom.[202] Submitted in 1779, the Act was finally ratified in 1786 by the Virginia legislature.[202] The Act forbid that men be forcibly compelled to attend or donate money to religious establishments, and that men "shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion."[203] Jefferson initially supported restrictions banning clergy from holding public office, however, later in life he changed this view believing the clergy had the same rights as others to hold public office.[204]
you don't have the right to impose your anti-God Secularism on Christmas......it is a National Holiday....
You don't have the right to impose your Christian theocracy in the rest of us, see how that works, I don't get to tell you how to live and vice-versa. You would make it a one way street where your values are put first in everything and mine always take a back seat.
Thou shalt not Kill.......it's one of the Ten Commandments......
are you proposing that killing become legal....?
Viagra is okay. OMG, but not contraceptives. Obama is not forcing anyone to use contraceptives. They should be covered under insurance (like Viagra) for those who wish to use them.
And employers or people who do not want to provide them have the right to purchase policies that do not provide them. I should not be forced to pay for something just because some jackass in Washington thinks he is morally or intellectually superior to the rest of the country.
Immie
This is changing due to the ACA. Every employee gets covered or the company pays a fine. The Catholic Church does not have to provide contraceptive coverage for priests and nuns and pedophiles, but does have to provide the coverage for lay employees. They have been for decades.
The controversy is they would not allow university students to have insurance that covered contraception...even if their parents or they themselves bought it.
Banning contraceptive coverage for college age people is not allowed under the ACA. Students can bring their own or purchase that which is equivalent to wwhat Catholic
employees are offered.
That is it- just extend to students what employees have. Hugest priestly pissy fits over that.
Regards from Rosie
