"You can't be a democrat and go to heaven"

[ScreamingEagle]

You don't have the right to impose your Christian theocracy in the rest of us, see how that works, I don't get to tell you how to live and vice-versa. You would make it a one way street where your values are put first in everything and mine always take a back seat.

Thou shalt not Kill.......it's one of the Ten Commandments......

are you proposing that killing become legal....?

Wrong yet again Squeaky Chicken. That particular commandment when translated from it's original Hebrew into English specifically states "Thou shalt not MURDER".

But...............keep trying...................eventually you may get something right.

well thank you for the correction.....it's much more relevant anyway....

are liberals proposing murder........?

why yes they are...

 

[ScreamingEagle]

IF righties wish to ignore the separation of church and state, I suggest all religious institutions start paying TAXES.

if you believe there is a "wall of separation".....i suggest that all religious people be EXEMPT from taxation....

Sounds like a good idea Squeaky Chicken. You're saying that if you claim to be a religious person, you shouldn't have to pay taxes......................

Only remember one thing.............it's the taxes that pay for the roads, police, fire, etc., so the next time you get mugged or your house goes up in flames, don't call the police or fire dept, just drop to your knees and start praying.

don't like it when it's put on the other foot do ya....?

Might wanna do some research on Christmas Squeaky Chicken. Not only were there times Christmas WASN'T celebrated, there were actually times in this country it was banned.

It didn't become a mainstream holiday until the mid 1800's.

so what.....? we are talking about today....

 

[ABikerSailor]

if you believe there is a "wall of separation".....i suggest that all religious people be EXEMPT from taxation....

Sounds like a good idea Squeaky Chicken. You're saying that if you claim to be a religious person, you shouldn't have to pay taxes......................

Only remember one thing.............it's the taxes that pay for the roads, police, fire, etc., so the next time you get mugged or your house goes up in flames, don't call the police or fire dept, just drop to your knees and start praying.

don't like it when it's put on the other foot do ya....?

Might wanna do some research on Christmas Squeaky Chicken. Not only were there times Christmas WASN'T celebrated, there were actually times in this country it was banned.

It didn't become a mainstream holiday until the mid 1800's.

so what.....? we are talking about today....

Moving the goalposts again I see. First, you stated that it's a national holiday (implying that it's always been celebrated here). Now? You say that it's a national holiday TODAY which is what we're talking about.

And yeah..................nothing about being on the other foot. If you think that religious people should be able to declare their faith and not pay taxes, you should remember that since you don't pay taxes, you're gonna have to get help from places other than the government when things go south. Like I said, just stop, drop and pray.

 

[Intense]

And employers or people who do not want to provide them have the right to purchase policies that do not provide them. I should not be forced to pay for something just because some jackass in Washington thinks he is morally or intellectually superior to the rest of the country.

Immie

This is changing due to the ACA. Every employee gets covered or the company pays a fine. The Catholic Church does not have to provide contraceptive coverage for priests and nuns and pedophiles, but does have to provide the coverage for lay employees. They have been for decades.

The controversy is they would not allow university students to have insurance that covered contraception...even if their parents or they themselves bought it.

Banning contraceptive coverage for college age people is not allowed under the ACA. Students can bring their own or purchase that which is equivalent to wwhat Catholic
employees are offered.

That is it- just extend to students what employees have. Hugest priestly pissy fits over that.

Regards from Rosie

fuck you.....i bet no one has to provide contraceptives for HOMOS either....

Rosie is a bit confused on her facts. Obama did give the Catholic Church a good screwing over. The reason the Leftists in the Church don't get it, is that having sold out so long ago, they are so removed from clear perspective, they have no moral compass to clarify or guide. What did happen, the double cross, should be a lesson in that you cannot serve two masters. They got it both ways, just not in the ways they thought.

 

[RosieS]

And employers or people who do not want to provide them have the right to purchase policies that do not provide them. I should not be forced to pay for something just because some jackass in Washington thinks he is morally or intellectually superior to the rest of the country.

Immie

This is changing due to the ACA. Every employee gets covered or the company pays a fine. The Catholic Church does not have to provide contraceptive coverage for priests and nuns and pedophiles, but does have to provide the coverage for lay employees. They have been for decades.

The controversy is they would not allow university students to have insurance that covered contraception...even if their parents or they themselves bought it.

Banning contraceptive coverage for college age people is not allowed under the ACA. Students can bring their own or purchase that which is equivalent to wwhat Catholic
employees are offered.

That is it- just extend to students what employees have. Hugest priestly pissy fits over that.

Regards from Rosie

fuck you.....i bet no one has to provide contraceptives for HOMOS either....

Deny deny deny. The Catholic Church is in decline for protecting pedophile priests and moving them around so they could vctimize more children. It will take generations, if ever, to build back up Catholic numbers due to evil being enabled. Pedophilia ain't just
for some offshoot Mormon cult but was EVERYWHERE in American Catholicism.

Tell the TRUTH and the self-proclaimed Christian will curse you. Go figure. Greetings of the season to you, too.

Regards from Rosie

 

[ScreamingEagle]

I'm secular- not aligned with any religion - and I don't believe that.

You're talking about relativism as being the basic philosophy of those who are secular.

Perhaps you could give an example of someone who is secular and demonstrates such a philosophy? Then, perhaps you could demonstrate how that would be a generality?

since you are secular yourself....perhaps you could give us a standard or set of ethics to which you or most secularists in America adhere to....

Most people do not need a book to know that murder, lying, theft, etc. is bad nor do they require the promise of eternal reward or threat of everlasting damnation not to do them.

there are secularists who think murder is NOT bad.....like BO and infanticide...
there are secularists who think lying is NOT bad....like BO....
there are secularists who think theft is NOT bad...like BO and medicare....or the election...

 

[ScreamingEagle]

This is changing due to the ACA. Every employee gets covered or the company pays a fine. The Catholic Church does not have to provide contraceptive coverage for priests and nuns and pedophiles, but does have to provide the coverage for lay employees. They have been for decades.

The controversy is they would not allow university students to have insurance that covered contraception...even if their parents or they themselves bought it.

Banning contraceptive coverage for college age people is not allowed under the ACA. Students can bring their own or purchase that which is equivalent to wwhat Catholic
employees are offered.

That is it- just extend to students what employees have. Hugest priestly pissy fits over that.

Regards from Rosie

fuck you.....i bet no one has to provide contraceptives for HOMOS either....

Deny deny deny. The Catholic Church is in decline for protecting pedophile priests and moving them around so they could vctimize more children. It will take generations, if ever, to build back up Catholic numbers due to evil being enabled. Pedophilia ain't just
for some offshoot Mormon cult but was EVERYWHERE in American Catholicism.

Tell the TRUTH and the self-proclaimed Christian will curse you. Go figure. Greetings of the season to you, too.

Regards from Rosie

the media has taken great pains to highlight the Church's failings.....yet totally ignores many other areas of the culture for the most part....

a few obvious incidents....like the Penn State pedophile and the public school female pedophiles....are just the tip of the iceberg i am sure....

 

[RosieS]

This is changing due to the ACA. Every employee gets covered or the company pays a fine. The Catholic Church does not have to provide contraceptive coverage for priests and nuns and pedophiles, but does have to provide the coverage for lay employees. They have been for decades.

The controversy is they would not allow university students to have insurance that covered contraception...even if their parents or they themselves bought it.

Banning contraceptive coverage for college age people is not allowed under the ACA. Students can bring their own or purchase that which is equivalent to wwhat Catholic
employees are offered.

That is it- just extend to students what employees have. Hugest priestly pissy fits over that.

Regards from Rosie

fuck you.....i bet no one has to provide contraceptives for HOMOS either....

Rosie is a bit confused on her facts. Obama did give the Catholic Church a good screwing over. The reason the Leftists in the Church don't get it, is that having sold out so long ago, they are so removed from clear perspective, they have no moral compass to clarify or guide. What did happen, the double cross, should be a lesson in that you cannot serve two masters. They got it both ways, just not in the ways they thought.

Malarky. Here:

Catholic Church Sues Obama Administration Over Contraceptive Provisions in the Health Care Law « JONATHAN TURLEY

Do try not to accuse over facts when you only offer opinion. It does not look good for the Church winning this suit - :especially since church bought insurance has covered contraceptives for non- religious employed by Catholic hospitals for decades. Can you say hypocrites? They do it to compete with other hospitalls for staff - yet scream when the ACA says to expand what they already do.

Regards from Rosie

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Sounds like a good idea Squeaky Chicken. You're saying that if you claim to be a religious person, you shouldn't have to pay taxes......................

Only remember one thing.............it's the taxes that pay for the roads, police, fire, etc., so the next time you get mugged or your house goes up in flames, don't call the police or fire dept, just drop to your knees and start praying.

don't like it when it's put on the other foot do ya....?

Might wanna do some research on Christmas Squeaky Chicken. Not only were there times Christmas WASN'T celebrated, there were actually times in this country it was banned.

It didn't become a mainstream holiday until the mid 1800's.

so what.....? we are talking about today....

Moving the goalposts again I see. First, you stated that it's a national holiday (implying that it's always been celebrated here). Now? You say that it's a national holiday TODAY which is what we're talking about.

And yeah..................nothing about being on the other foot. If you think that religious people should be able to declare their faith and not pay taxes, you should remember that since you don't pay taxes, you're gonna have to get help from places other than the government when things go south. Like I said, just stop, drop and pray.

moving what goalposts....?
Christmas has been a national holiday since 1870.....
speaking of getting help.....if BO succeeds shutting down the Catholic churches and organizations the poor will suffer.......and since BO is calling for limiting charitable deductions too the poor will suffer even more.....

 

[ABikerSailor]

don't like it when it's put on the other foot do ya....?



so what.....? we are talking about today....

Moving the goalposts again I see. First, you stated that it's a national holiday (implying that it's always been celebrated here). Now? You say that it's a national holiday TODAY which is what we're talking about.

And yeah..................nothing about being on the other foot. If you think that religious people should be able to declare their faith and not pay taxes, you should remember that since you don't pay taxes, you're gonna have to get help from places other than the government when things go south. Like I said, just stop, drop and pray.

moving what goalposts....?
Christmas has been a national holiday since 1870.....
speaking of getting help.....if BO succeeds shutting down the Catholic churches and organizations the poor will suffer.......and since BO is calling for limiting charitable deductions too the poor will suffer even more.....

If Mittens and Lyin' Ryan had gotten into office, the poor would have suffered more, because in order for the churches to be able to provide the level of help that the government currently does, they would have to spend 50,000 EACH per year on charity alone.

Sorry.............but unless you can provide a link to support your bullshit, all you've got is partisan hackery.

Try again Squeaky Chicken.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Moving the goalposts again I see. First, you stated that it's a national holiday (implying that it's always been celebrated here). Now? You say that it's a national holiday TODAY which is what we're talking about.

And yeah..................nothing about being on the other foot. If you think that religious people should be able to declare their faith and not pay taxes, you should remember that since you don't pay taxes, you're gonna have to get help from places other than the government when things go south. Like I said, just stop, drop and pray.

moving what goalposts....?
Christmas has been a national holiday since 1870.....
speaking of getting help.....if BO succeeds shutting down the Catholic churches and organizations the poor will suffer.......and since BO is calling for limiting charitable deductions too the poor will suffer even more.....

If Mittens and Lyin' Ryan had gotten into office, the poor would have suffered more, because in order for the churches to be able to provide the level of help that the government currently does, they would have to spend 50,000 EACH per year on charity alone.

Sorry.............but unless you can provide a link to support your bullshit, all you've got is partisan hackery.

Try again Squeaky Chicken.

Likewise Babbling Biker.....

 

[Si modo]

Viagra is okay. OMG, but not contraceptives. Obama is not forcing anyone to use contraceptives. They should be covered under insurance (like Viagra) for those who wish to use them.

And employers or people who do not want to provide them have the right to purchase policies that do not provide them. I should not be forced to pay for something just because some jackass in Washington thinks he is morally or intellectually superior to the rest of the country.

Immie

This is changing due to the ACA. Every employee gets covered or the company pays a fine. The Catholic Church does not have to provide contraceptive coverage for priests and nuns and pedophiles, but does have to provide the coverage for lay employees. They have been for decades.

The controversy is they would not allow university students to have insurance that covered contraception...even if their parents or they themselves bought it.

Banning contraceptive coverage for college age people is not allowed under the ACA. Students can bring their own or purchase that which is equivalent to wwhat Catholic
employees are offered.

That is it- just extend to students what employees have. Hugest priestly pissy fits over that.

Regards from Rosie

To the bolded: Look at how very uninformed you are. At Georgetown, for example because the attention whore and liar goes there and bitched about the insurance and completely misrepresented almost everything about Georgetown's student insurance, the rules are that one must provide PROOF that they have health insurance - any health insurance they want as long as it meets bare minimums - and if they cannot prove that they are covered, then they have to buy what the school provides.

Read it for yourself and start thinking for yourself:

For all students, good health is essential to achieving educational goals. Because maintaining good health requires access to health care when you need it, Georgetown University requires most students, according to registration criteria, to have health insurance.
Premier Plan

Most full-time students in a degree program are required to have adequate health insurance. A charge for the Premier Plan appears on students’ accounts when their course registration meets the eligibility criteria. Enrollment in the Premier Plan can be waived if a student has other adequate coverage. ​

 

[Si modo]

Secular morals are situational and changeable.

It is moral for one man to rob another in the secular religion, provided he has a good enough excuse. Then the immorality of the act is transferred to the victim who wouldn't share.

I'm secular- not aligned with any religion - and I don't believe that.

You're talking about relativism as being the basic philosophy of those who are secular.

Perhaps you could give an example of someone who is secular and demonstrates such a philosophy? Then, perhaps you could demonstrate how that would be a generality?

Here you go.

Absolute and relative morality

The objection with relative morality is that a person can justify any act, no matter how henious, as right and moral in that particular context.

A few years ago I was carjacked at gunpoint. The jacker was stealing cars in the US and selling them in mexico because he wanted the money to start a family business. All his relatives would be employed taxpayers. I wouldn't give him my car to sell in mexico. Therefore the moral act, the right thing to do is steal it. Punishing him by putting him in prison, was immoral because it prevented a larger good by creating jobs and tax payers. If a wrong was done, it was done by me for not giving him my car in the first place and reporting the theft to the police in the second place. The carjacker should never be punished because my loss was insured. No one was harmed but the insurance company which could easily afford (being big bad insurance) to get me another car.

He eventually got 13 years.

It seems you are the only one who has said that.

Strawman.

 

[Samson]

I'm secular- not aligned with any religion - and I don't believe that.

You're talking about relativism as being the basic philosophy of those who are secular.

Perhaps you could give an example of someone who is secular and demonstrates such a philosophy? Then, perhaps you could demonstrate how that would be a generality?

Here you go.

Absolute and relative morality

The objection with relative morality is that a person can justify any act, no matter how henious, as right and moral in that particular context.

A few years ago I was carjacked at gunpoint. The jacker was stealing cars in the US and selling them in mexico because he wanted the money to start a family business. All his relatives would be employed taxpayers. I wouldn't give him my car to sell in mexico. Therefore the moral act, the right thing to do is steal it. Punishing him by putting him in prison, was immoral because it prevented a larger good by creating jobs and tax payers. If a wrong was done, it was done by me for not giving him my car in the first place and reporting the theft to the police in the second place. The carjacker should never be punished because my loss was insured. No one was harmed but the insurance company which could easily afford (being big bad insurance) to get me another car.

He eventually got 13 years.

It seems you are the only one who has said that.

Strawman.

 

[Barb]

in general Christians have been quite tolerant toward liberals and their secularist viewpoints.....however over time that has changed as more and more realize the tolerance is NOT reciprocated....even your post demonstrates this hateful negative bias....

Your kind earned every bit though your efforts to turn the wall of seperation into a one way door to christian domination of secular policy.

the "wall of SEPARATION" never existed.....Thomas Jefferson was very religious in public life....

The Establishment Clause does.

 

[Lumpy 1]

A Kentucky teacher is being criticized for writing a politically charged statement on the whiteboard in class.

South Laurel County High School teacher Kendra Baker is drawing complaints from parents and students after she wrote, "You can't be a democrat and go to heaven."

More: Kendra Baker, Kentucky Teacher, Under Fire For 'Can't Be A Democrat And Go To Heaven' Statement

Well, I suspect you can't take an innocent human life or support such a calamity and go to heaven... at least it seems unlikely to me..

 

[Barb]

it's even being actively pushed in the schools by the secularist ACLU....

Is that supposed to be some kind thing that would convince me of your position? Porn is blocked from every school network in the country and you have the option to block it from your home network, no one wants to make kids look at porn but some schools go a lot further and block things that make no sense such as political sites that might teach them to think for themselves.

i am pointing out to you that SECULARISTS are imposing their 'morality' just as much....if not more.....than Christians.....

Obama and the Dems are assaulting our religious freedom everywhere in America...

 

[MisterBeale]

IF righties wish to ignore the separation of church and state, I suggest all religious institutions start paying TAXES.

Why? They can ignore the "alleged" separation of church and state all they wish. However, to have religious institutions pay taxes would clearly be in violation of the First amendment.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


What part of NO LAW do you not understand? Taxation is a law. As it stands, churches agreeing to be gagged on issues of politics is blackmail. They shouldn't have to. They should speak to their congregations freely, for the first amendment is quite explicit, they are covered by the freedom of assembly, speech, and religion to do what ever they want and not be taxed. It is THEIR JOB to point out government corruption. Since they haven't, the moral fabric of this nation has eroded and degraded to a dismal point, an unreal point.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=H3Az0okaHig]If I Were the Devil - (BEST VERSION) by PAUL HARVEY audio restored - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcKQ345jwN0]Episode # 1 IN CAESAR'S GRIP - YouTube[/ame]

For more information, read the book In Caesar's Grip by Peter Kershaw

"It's impossible to have religious freedom in any nation where churches are licensed to the government. In this book Mr. Kershaw exposes the root cause problems of rampant and unhindered immorality, government tyranny and corruption, and the inability of the State-licenses church to offer any real hope for combating these devastating societal problems."--Cover.

We don't need a Theocracy, we just need a society, and an available system that allows spiritual organizations to teach people their place in their communities and their relationships with each other in a realistic manner w/o gags or government interference. Till then chaos, disorder, disunity and pain will be the story of the day, week and month. But that's sort of how the elites like it, isn't it? Look at USMB? To have us all constantly hating each other? Makes ruling the prole pretty easy, doesn't it? Keep 'em distracted at the point with bread and circuses, bread and circuses. . .

 

[Immanuel]

Viagra is okay. OMG, but not contraceptives. Obama is not forcing anyone to use contraceptives. They should be covered under insurance (like Viagra) for those who wish to use them.

And employers or people who do not want to provide them have the right to purchase policies that do not provide them. I should not be forced to pay for something just because some jackass in Washington thinks he is morally or intellectually superior to the rest of the country.

Immie

This is changing due to the ACA. Every employee gets covered or the company pays a fine. The Catholic Church does not have to provide contraceptive coverage for priests and nuns and pedophiles, but does have to provide the coverage for lay employees. They have been for decades.

The controversy is they would not allow university students to have insurance that covered contraception...even if their parents or they themselves bought it.

Banning contraceptive coverage for college age people is not allowed under the ACA. Students can bring their own or purchase that which is equivalent to wwhat Catholic
employees are offered.

That is it- just extend to students what employees have. Hugest priestly pissy fits over that.

Regards from Rosie

It is not up to you to tell the church, a university or even a private business what and who it must cover.

If the church is unwilling to subsidize students wanton sex lives, it is not required to or at least it should not be required to do so, but then Pelosi and Reid believe they are gods and have the right to dictate to others what should be done.

Immie

 

[Lakhota]

After reading some of the wingnut responses, it's no wonder Romney lost.