Why is this Race Even Close?

[elvis]

Marxist? No that just more moronic sound bites from the right.




Do you have proof of this?

If you have a choice between Obama and McCain, sorry, in my book there is no choice. If you want to talk about going with the were ever the wind is blowing, then pick John.

If Obama proves to be what you say, he will be impeached unlike the current Thief In Charge. When he doesn't pan out like that,he will still be attacked by the right for non reasons. And then I will ask the question about is fucking marxism and the other shit that is posted.

Don't be suprised if once he is elected, you may see some changes on the FISA violations and other areas. If he says anything now, he loses and we lose.

McCain will continue the trickle down crap from Reagan. It's time that we realize that the middle class is the largest block of people and the ones who make this country work. Keep screwing with them like the right wants to and you will continue down this crappy path that we are on.

But unlike the right, if he were to turn out to be as big a loser as Bush, I will be one of the first to admit it.

President Obama. Has a nice ring.

nice ring....

like "genital herpes"

 

[rayboyusmc]

Oh my, the glue sniffing has begun!

As opposed to the right wing ass sniffing?

 

[WillowTree]

Marxist? No that just more moronic sound bites from the right. Hey the right didn't enroll Obamalama and glue him to the pew for twenty long years and feed him Marxist creed for 20 long years. nope don't blame it on the right.



Do you have proof of this?

If you have a choice between Obama and McCain, sorry, in my book there is no choice. If you want to talk about going with the were ever the wind is blowing, then pick John.

If Obama proves to be what you say, he will be impeached unlike the current Thief In Charge. When he doesn't pan out like that,he will still be attacked by the right for non reasons. And then I will ask the question about is fucking marxism and the other shit that is posted.

Don't be suprised if once he is elected, you may see some changes on the FISA violations and other areas. If he says anything now, he loses and we lose.

McCain will continue the trickle down crap from Reagan. It's time that we realize that the middle class is the largest block of people and the ones who make this country work. Keep screwing with them like the right wants to and you will continue down this crappy path that we are on.

But unlike the right, if he were to turn out to be as big a loser as Bush, I will be one of the first to admit it.

President Obama. Has a nice ring.

Marxist to the bone.

 

[xsited1]

 

[WillowTree]

As opposed to the right wing ass sniffing?

 

[sealybobo]

Marxist? No that just more moronic sound bites from the right.




Do you have proof of this?

If you have a choice between Obama and McCain, sorry, in my book there is no choice. If you want to talk about going with the were ever the wind is blowing, then pick John.

If Obama proves to be what you say, he will be impeached unlike the current Thief In Charge. When he doesn't pan out like that,he will still be attacked by the right for non reasons. And then I will ask the question about is fucking marxism and the other shit that is posted.

Don't be suprised if once he is elected, you may see some changes on the FISA violations and other areas. If he says anything now, he loses and we lose.

McCain will continue the trickle down crap from Reagan. It's time that we realize that the middle class is the largest block of people and the ones who make this country work. Keep screwing with them like the right wants to and you will continue down this crappy path that we are on.

But unlike the right, if he were to turn out to be as big a loser as Bush, I will be one of the first to admit it.

President Obama. Has a nice ring.

Thatta boy Ray.

The GOP worked their magic on BAC when they created the FISA issue.

Same when they tried to create that controvery in Georgia/Russia.

Or when Bush came up with the bailout, 75% of the GOP voted against it and somehow the Dems look like it was their puppy.

Sorry BAC, but you've been played by the right.

But as long as he isn't voting for McCain, that's cool with me. I just hope he isn't in a swing state.

BAC, where are you from?

 

[sealybobo]

nice ring....

like "genital herpes"

First Dude Todd. Bad ring to it.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

hmph! tell me about it!!!! lollollol

Go ahead <head hanging in shame> beat my dumb ass up .. I deserve it .. and nobody deserves the first shot at putting the proverbial boot up my ass more than you do.

... be gentle

 

[WillowTree]

I guess you guys won't be arguing anymore about how we should all come together huh? We knew all along ya never meant a word of it.

 

[sealybobo]

I guess you guys won't be arguing anymore about how we should all come together huh? We knew all along ya never meant a word of it.

What do you mean? When the GOP controlled everything in 2000-2002, I said nothing. I let them lead. I let them pass bad law after bad law.

Now it is your turn to give Obama 2 years. You may be surprised.

The GOP surprised me....by how bad they were.

 

[Silence]

If Obama loses brother, it won't be because of his race.

A few things you forgot to point out.

Obama is flip-flopper supreme and has abandoned, altered, and ignored almost every position he took in winning the nomination .. and he's abandoned the forces that drove him to the nomination.

Obama has become a warmonger and is following Bush's foreign policy to the letter.

Americans should be able to clearly see that Obama is Wall Street's brightest star and he's abandoned all illusions of being a populist. The notion that he's raised the most money in American history through small donations is preposterous. A very large chunk of that money is coming from Wall Street .. and the piper will have to be paid. This is significant because it's not some arab guy thousands of miles away that's destroying the American way of life .. it's the lock corporations/Wall Street has on our government.

In his quest to become king, Obama has shown that he will say anything to win. That ain't leadership my brother

I'd really appreciate you, my brother, providing evidence of Obama's change in position on health care, taxes, the war in Iraq, abortion and other issues since this election began. Don't dig back 10+ years or anything... where has his message changed since he began campaigning?

I think you are confusing McCain with Obama when you make the claim that in his question to be "king" he'll say anything. It is McCain who has changed his position more than he's changed his suit. There seems to be no low that he won't stoop to to scare the American public into believe that Obama is dangerous.

 

[WillowTree]

What do you mean? When the GOP controlled everything in 2000-2002, I said nothing. I let them lead. I let them pass bad law after bad law.

Now it is your turn to give Obama 2 years. You may be surprised.

The GOP surprised me....by how bad they were.

NO! I'm talking about the fact that you hate white people!

 

[tymebeta]

Ya, I don't want to vote for someone who has socialistic or Marxist ideas. Hell, I don't even want to vote for someone who might have the knowledge to know the true meaning of what it means. Cause I mean, if they know what it really means, then they know how to make it happen!

I'm going to stick to my faith and principles Thank You Very Much. I don't care if Obama policies are better for me economically.

 

[Truthmatters]

Ya, I don't want to vote for someone who has socialistic or Marxist ideas. Hell, I don't even want to vote for someone who might have the knowledge to know the true meaning of what it means. Cause I mean, if they know what it really means, then they know how to make it happen!

I'm going to stick to my faith and principles Thank You Very Much. I don't care if Obama policies are better for me economically.

Man am I hoping you are pulling a Steven Clobert here?

 

[sealybobo]

NO! I'm talking about the fact that you hate white people!

I'm white silly.

It's not about white, black, jewish, muslim, gay, straight, catholic, female, male, anti abortion, pro choice.

It's not about ANY of those things.

It's about rich vs. middle class. A rich white man would rather live next to a rich black or a rich muslim over our broke asses.

They're selling America cheap to rich foreigners. They're SELLING America. Hell, Bush wanted to even sell a port to dubai.

So God Damn rich America that starts war for their profit. God damn rich America for union busting and lowering our wages. God damn them for sending more of us into poverty while they got richer.

Spread the wealth? You better believe they spread the wealth.

And I don't hate rich people. Just the greedy ones.

 

[sealybobo]

Ya, I don't want to vote for someone who has socialistic or Marxist ideas. Hell, I don't even want to vote for someone who might have the knowledge to know the true meaning of what it means. Cause I mean, if they know what it really means, then they know how to make it happen!

I'm going to stick to my faith and principles Thank You Very Much. I don't care if Obama policies are better for me economically.

Typical American voter.

 

[WillowTree]

I'm white silly.

It's not about white, black, jewish, muslim, gay, straight, catholic, female, male, anti abortion, pro choice.

It's not about ANY of those things.

It's about rich vs. middle class. A rich white man would rather live next to a rich black or a rich muslim over our broke asses.

They're selling America cheap to rich foreigners. They're SELLING America. Hell, Bush wanted to even sell a port to dubai.

So God Damn rich America that starts war for their profit. God damn rich America for union busting and lowering our wages. God damn them for sending more of us into poverty while they got richer.

Spread the wealth? You better believe they spread the wealth.

And I don't hate rich people. Just the greedy ones.

I got it the first time. You are selling hate. Hate for people who are not like you. Hate for people who don't agree with you. Hate for your country. So, I guess you won't be arguing for us to all come together united anymore will you?

 

[BlackAsCoal]

Do you have proof of this?

Yes I do .. and quite surprised that someone as informed as you most certainly are, requires proof of what is so plainly obvious.

Obama Top Fundraiser on Wall Street
Obama Top Fundraiser on Wall Street - washingtonpost.com

That was in the first quarater .. so he's been backed by Wall Stret from the very beginning.

You compare ...

Obama:

Goldman Sachs $739,521

UBS AG $419,550

Lehman Brothers $391,774

Citigroup Inc $492,548

Morgan Stanley $341,380

Latham & Watkins $328,879

Google Inc $487,355

JPMorgan Chase & Co $475,112

Sidley Austin LLP $370,916

Skadden, Arps et al $360,409

McCain:
Merrill Lynch $349,170

Citigroup Inc $287,801

Morgan Stanley $249,377

Wachovia Corp $147,456

Goldman Sachs $220,045

Lehman Brothers $115,707

Bear Stearns $108,000

JPMorgan Chase & Co $206,392

Bank of America $133,975

Credit Suisse Group $175,503

I could go on but it would make this post incredibly long. You can close your eyes but truth doesn not go away simply because you don't like it.

If you have a choice between Obama and McCain, sorry, in my book there is no choice. If you want to talk about going with the were ever the wind is blowing, then pick John.

That's the choices you have my brother, but there are several other choices Americans can make. I understand the philosophy of "the lessor of two evils", I simply don't buy it. It still gets you evil and you end up supporting the failure of American politics.

If Obama proves to be what you say, he will be impeached unlike the current Thief In Charge. When he doesn't pan out like that,he will still be attacked by the right for non reasons. And then I will ask the question about is fucking marxism and the other shit that is posted.

Don't tag me with the "marxism" thing .. shit I'd be happy if he was the socialist the right claims him to be.

In the meantime while we're waiting for him to be impeached, innocent people will die in his efforst to be presidential and go kill people in the name of "freedom." When he does kill innocent people, you reconcile that with your own conscience my brother. I won't have it on mine.

Don't be suprised if once he is elected, you may see some changes on the FISA violations and other areas. If he says anything now, he loses and we lose.

I have great respect for you brother.You are among the most intelligent posters here .. so I say with all due respect "once he gets in office" is the mindfuck that allows the cognitive dissonance to set in on otherwise good people of conscience. He no more had to agree with Bush on illegal wiretapping to win than he had to champion the bailout .. excuse me "rescue plan." I would suggest that he would have gained more support by standing against both of them .. where the American people are. When I say CHAMPION the .. ahh .. rescue plan .. surely you're aware that he caused the members of the Congressional Black Caucus who stood against the bailout to change their votes.

Point being, he didn't have to agree to illegal wiretapping to win .. nor did he and Biden have to vote for the Bridge to Nowhere .. which Biden berated Palin for .. although she never voted for it .. Biden did .. and so did Obama .. and if you suggest that they NEEDED to vote for it to win, I would suggest that is untrue.

McCain will continue the trickle down crap from Reagan. It's time that we realize that the middle class is the largest block of people and the ones who make this country work. Keep screwing with them like the right wants to and you will continue down this crappy path that we are on.

McCain won't be able to do anything without going through what may be a democratic super-majority in Congress .. including war. Obama will have no such encumberances to war. If we must have clowns, liars, and actors running the government then let's have divided clowns, liars, and actors running it. With these bozos, the less they do the better off wea re.

But unlike the right, if he were to turn out to be as big a loser as Bush, I will be one of the first to admit it.

Serious question .. then why don't you see his flaws right now? I'm betting you were against the invasion of Iraq .. how can you turn a blind eye to Obama's belief that he has the right to invade any (arab) nation he chooses? One of my biggest problems with Obama is that he's weak as mud. That only thing he stands on is becoming the president. He has flipped and flopped on literally every damn thing he's said. he can easily be bullied, cajoled, and duped into doing anything the right wants him to do.

One of the things that struck me most in the last debate was Obama sitting there with a flag pin on his chest and McCain without it. I thought, what a pussy. They bullied him into it .. even bullied him into hiding his wife .. even though the woman has advanced degrees from the top universities in the world. .. Speaking of which .. I'd vote for his wife in a heartbeat. She seems far more genuine and conscious.

Obama is a pussy and heaven forbid that anyone mention "draft" and "national security" in the same sentencebecause he can be bullied into agreeing with it.

President Obama. Has a nice ring.

I agree it does, but it should also stand for many things that it won't. As an African-American, I take no pride in seeing the first black president be someone as weak Barack Obama. All black people will get out of this is symbolism because he won't touch ANYTHING that can remotely be conscrued as a black issue.

 

[Diuretic]

Close to perfect? You gotta be kidding us. No Obama for me. He is a liar, a cheat and most importantly a Marxist.

There's the answer. The gullible really believe this shit. The propagandists know it's crap but they're hoping people believe it and believe it they do. Even though it's clear that Obama is a right wing capitalist, albeit with a conscience, he is apparently a Marxist. I saw vox pop by our national tv broadcaster in Pennsylvania, people were banging on about Obama being a Marxist, a Muslim and how he was going to take away the guns that were needed to defeat an invasion of the US. Those were real people who firmly believed what they were saying.

This is why it's close and this is why Obama can lose.

 

[sealybobo]

I got it the first time. You are selling hate. Hate for people who are not like you. Hate for people who don't agree with you. Hate for your country. So, I guess you won't be arguing for us to all come together united anymore will you?

Boy if this isn't the pot calling the kettle black.

It'll be a long time before I trust a republican or believe they really love America.

Why? Because I know what they did to this country.

No, I don't love the people who emptied the treasury and lied us to war.

I think they should be imprisoned, hung or shot like Saddam and his sons were. Or at least impeached.