Why Is Secession Such an Anathema to the Left?

[Wry Catcher]

Isn't secession the ultimate expression of self-determination? Why are those on the Left so opposed to allowing a difference of opinion? Conservatives think liberals are idiots and would be happy to have them go somewhere else, but the reverse is certainly not true. Liberals want to enforce their conformity on everyone and recoil at the thought of allowing others to follow a different path.

Is this due to an underlying totalitarian streak that are present in most "progressive" policies, or is it a fear of competition from other ideas? As an out-of-state conservative I had no problems with Romneycare in Massachusetts (as long as I didn't have to pay for it). So why is it you liberals are so opposed to school vouchers in states where you don't live? Why must every policy be dictated by the federal government?

What are you afraid of?

If you want one state to leave then you will eventually have another, and another, and another.

Freedom of choice, especially economic freedom, is their greatest adversary.

Socialism only works when there are no alternatives, but even then it only works for a short time.

Seems to me any American Citizen who wants to remain an American Citizen should not be subject to the whims of a radical fringe; they should and will be defended by by the REAL and only legitimate Militia as defined in Art. I, sec 8 and clause 15 & 16 and the militia act of 1903.


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Secession doesn't prevent anyone who wants to remain a U.S. citizen from doing so. They'll just have to move if they want to exercise their rights under the Constitution.

I'm not sure what you mean by "defended by the militia." That implies a threat to kill people.

That is so beautifully liberal!

I may not be as liberal as you believe. Violence begets violence, something even you might understand. BTW, did you read the link?

 

[bripat9643]

Isn't secession the ultimate expression of self-determination? Why are those on the Left so opposed to allowing a difference of opinion? Conservatives think liberals are idiots and would be happy to have them go somewhere else, but the reverse is certainly not true. Liberals want to enforce their conformity on everyone and recoil at the thought of allowing others to follow a different path.

Is this due to an underlying totalitarian streak that are present in most "progressive" policies, or is it a fear of competition from other ideas? As an out-of-state conservative I had no problems with Romneycare in Massachusetts (as long as I didn't have to pay for it). So why is it you liberals are so opposed to school vouchers in states where you don't live? Why must every policy be dictated by the federal government?

What are you afraid of?

If you want one state to leave then you will eventually have another, and another, and another.

Freedom of choice, especially economic freedom, is their greatest adversary.

Socialism only works when there are no alternatives, but even then it only works for a short time.

Seems to me any American Citizen who wants to remain an American Citizen should not be subject to the whims of a radical fringe; they should and will be defended by by the REAL and only legitimate Militia as defined in Art. I, sec 8 and clause 15 & 16 and the militia act of 1903.


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Secession doesn't prevent anyone who wants to remain a U.S. citizen from doing so. They'll just have to move if they want to exercise their rights under the Constitution.

I'm not sure what you mean by "defended by the militia." That implies a threat to kill people.

That is so beautifully liberal!

I may not be as liberal as you believe. Violence begets violence, something even you might understand. BTW, did you read the link?

Secession isn't violence, you Nazi asshole.

Who believes liberals aren't violent? Certainly not me.

 

[DarkFury]

Secession was anathema to James Madison and Thomas Jefferson.

Are James Madison and Thomas Jefferson leftists?

Didn't think so.

OP is built on a false premise.

Really? Jefferson wrote something called "The Declaration of Independence," didn't he?

Liberals like to argue that Session was a RIGHT lost. But our Constitution says NO right maybe lost or encumbered. Thus it remains OURS if and when we choose to claim it.

The FACT they STOLE it does not imply ownership only where it can be found. So it's simply retaking OUR inherited PROPERTY.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

"Why Is Secession Such an Anathema to the Left?"

Because, unlike many on the right, liberals know, understand, and respect the Constitution and its case law – in this case Texas v. White, where the Supreme Court held that as a fact of Constitutional law a state may not ‘secede’ absent the consent of all the other states.

Consequently, secession is not ‘anathema’ to liberals; rather, it’s the ignorance and stupidity common to most on the right, the moronic notion that a state or states may ‘leave’ the Union whether the other states agree or not.

Last, liberals correctly understand that this nonsense about ‘secession’ is nothing more than a rightwing temper-tantrum because conservatives didn’t get their way with regard to recent Supreme Court decisions.

Nah....y'all are just afraid of the abject failure liberalism would be if allowed to run unchecked.
The idea that you some how hold the Constitution in high regard is also laughable.

 

[DarkFury]

"Why Is Secession Such an Anathema to the Left?"

Because, unlike many on the right, liberals know, understand, and respect the Constitution and its case law – in this case Texas v. White, where the Supreme Court held that as a fact of Constitutional law a state may not ‘secede’ absent the consent of all the other states.

Consequently, secession is not ‘anathema’ to liberals; rather, it’s the ignorance and stupidity common to most on the right, the moronic notion that a state or states may ‘leave’ the Union whether the other states agree or not.

Last, liberals correctly understand that this nonsense about ‘secession’ is nothing more than a rightwing temper-tantrum because conservatives didn’t get their way with regard to recent Supreme Court decisions.

Nah....y'all are just afraid of the abject failure liberalism would be if allowed to run unchecked.
The idea that you some how hold the Constitution in high regard is also laughable.

That idiot did say "liberals respect the Constitution" right?
Does he mean like those liberals in Baltimore or those liberals in Ferguson?

 

[bripat9643]

"Why Is Secession Such an Anathema to the Left?"

Because, unlike many on the right, liberals know, understand, and respect the Constitution and its case law – in this case Texas v. White, where the Supreme Court held that as a fact of Constitutional law a state may not ‘secede’ absent the consent of all the other states.

Consequently, secession is not ‘anathema’ to liberals; rather, it’s the ignorance and stupidity common to most on the right, the moronic notion that a state or states may ‘leave’ the Union whether the other states agree or not.

Last, liberals correctly understand that this nonsense about ‘secession’ is nothing more than a rightwing temper-tantrum because conservatives didn’t get their way with regard to recent Supreme Court decisions.

Nah....y'all are just afraid of the abject failure liberalism would be if allowed to run unchecked.
The idea that you some how hold the Constitution in high regard is also laughable.

That idiot did say "liberals respect the Constitution" right?
Does he mean like those liberals in Baltimore or those liberals in Ferguson?

How about the liberal in the White House?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

The only time liberals like the Constitution is when it happens to help them.....and if it doesnt they'll just call it a living document and change it to suite their needs.
Or just ignore it all together like the dear leader.

 

[DarkFury]

This IS interesting. It's why the term "WE THE PEOPLE" was used.
It denotes a confederation of PEOPLE allowing a government NOT a government allowing a people.

"The fate ... of America may depend on this. ... Have they made a proposal of a compact between the states? If they had, this would be a confederation. It is otherwise most clearly a consolidated government. The question turns, sir, on that poor little thing—the expression, We, the people, instead of the states, of America. ...[28]
Secession in the United States - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

It had read "We the United States" but that was STRUCK to ensure the RIGHT of the PEOPLE over central government.

 

[my2¢]

I say let them go

 

[bripat9643]

I say let them go

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The blue states will find themselves wallowing in debt once all the welfare ticks emigrate there. Then we'll see if they truly support open borders.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Onus is on you to prove that there is "corruption that emanates from the unrestrained concentration of political power" happening in the federal government.

There is no onus on me to prove anything. I answered your question. Are you intellectually honest enough to answer mine?

You made that claim so if you want to keep your credibility you need to substantiate it when called upon to do so.

Alternatively you can flush your own credibility down the drain.

Your choice.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Liberals like to argue that Session was a RIGHT lost.

Which "liberals" are those, baby huey?

 

[jwoodie]

Liberals never put THEIR money where their mouths are. They DEPEND on Conservatives to maintain a tax base to fund their idiotic social experiments. THAT is why they are so opposed to local autonomy. Always have been, always will be.

 

[bendog]

Liberals like to argue that Session was a RIGHT lost.

Which "liberals" are those, baby huey?[/QUOTE

Not this one

I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all

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[Syriusly]

Isn't secession the ultimate expression of self-determination? Why are those on the Left so opposed to allowing a difference of opinion? Conservatives think liberals are idiots and would be happy to have them go somewhere else, but the reverse is certainly not true. Liberals want to enforce their conformity on everyone and recoil at the thought of allowing others to follow a different path.

Is this due to an underlying totalitarian streak that are present in most "progressive" policies, or is it a fear of competition from other ideas? As an out-of-state conservative I had no problems with Romneycare in Massachusetts (as long as I didn't have to pay for it). So why is it you liberals are so opposed to school vouchers in states where you don't live? Why must every policy be dictated by the federal government?

What are you afraid of?

Secession is perfectly okay as long as it is done with the consent of the majority of other states.

 

[bodecea]

Isn't secession the ultimate expression of self-determination? Why are those on the Left so opposed to allowing a difference of opinion? Conservatives think liberals are idiots and would be happy to have them go somewhere else, but the reverse is certainly not true. Liberals want to enforce their conformity on everyone and recoil at the thought of allowing others to follow a different path.

Is this due to an underlying totalitarian streak that are present in most "progressive" policies, or is it a fear of competition from other ideas? As an out-of-state conservative I had no problems with Romneycare in Massachusetts (as long as I didn't have to pay for it). So why is it you liberals are so opposed to school vouchers in states where you don't live? Why must every policy be dictated by the federal government?

What are you afraid of?

No problem with secession. Hoping that Texas secedes soon.

 

[bendog]

Isn't secession the ultimate expression of self-determination? Why are those on the Left so opposed to allowing a difference of opinion? Conservatives think liberals are idiots and would be happy to have them go somewhere else, but the reverse is certainly not true. Liberals want to enforce their conformity on everyone and recoil at the thought of allowing others to follow a different path.

Is this due to an underlying totalitarian streak that are present in most "progressive" policies, or is it a fear of competition from other ideas? As an out-of-state conservative I had no problems with Romneycare in Massachusetts (as long as I didn't have to pay for it). So why is it you liberals are so opposed to school vouchers in states where you don't live? Why must every policy be dictated by the federal government?

What are you afraid of?

No problem with secession. Hoping that Texas secedes soon.

Obama is preemptively invading it.

 

[Nosmo King]

Where should the secession take place? Where are the borders? It seems like political differences are not readily clear in geographical terms. The Civil War was different. s lave holding big plantations were clustered in the south while factories and free farms were in the north.

But political secession demands that there are clear and apparent borders so my neighbor who might hold opposite political ideas from mine is not stuck ion 'enemy territory'.

And the same goes for me. I would not leave my home town, my home which I have invested my life into keeping up and renovating just because some in my state decided to make war of the federal government. I guess my neighbors would then make war on me, in spite of the fact that I never did anything to deserve it.

 

[Derideo_Te]

one Nation under God, indivisible

So if they have taken that pledge then why do they want to violate it by seceding?

 

[jwoodie]

And the same goes for me. I would not leave my home town, my home which I have invested my life into keeping up and renovating just because some in my state decided to make war of the federal government. I guess my neighbors would then make war on me, in spite of the fact that I never did anything to deserve it.

Who is talking about making war?