Why Is Secession Such an Anathema to the Left?

[jwoodie]

Isn't secession the ultimate expression of self-determination? Why are those on the Left so opposed to allowing a difference of opinion? Conservatives think liberals are idiots and would be happy to have them go somewhere else, but the reverse is certainly not true. Liberals want to enforce their conformity on everyone and recoil at the thought of allowing others to follow a different path.

Is this due to an underlying totalitarian streak that are present in most "progressive" policies, or is it a fear of competition from other ideas? As an out-of-state conservative I had no problems with Romneycare in Massachusetts (as long as I didn't have to pay for it). So why is it you liberals are so opposed to school vouchers in states where you don't live? Why must every policy be dictated by the federal government?

What are you afraid of?

 

[Bombur]

I think the left is happy to have ended slavery and kept the country whole but at times it doesn't seem to have been worth it all things considered.

I really think it comes down to the western states and who got control over them.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Secession is illegal!

No You Cannot Secede From The United States - Business Insider

Are there any modern examples of states attempting to forcefully ignore federal law? Say, failing to implement school integration? Arkansas tried that in 1957, and failed.

What about Texas, which according to legend retains its own special secession clause? Supreme Court Justice Salmon P. Chase settled that question all the way back in 1869:

When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States.



Read more: No You Cannot Secede From The United States - Business Insider

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I've often wondered that myself.
They hate the south,you'd think they'd want em to leave.
And with their self righteous surety that socialism is the answer,I'd think they'd be eager to get started and not have any meddling conservatives to get in the way of the workers paradise.

 

[nuhuh]

Isn't secession the ultimate expression of self-determination? Why are those on the Left so opposed to allowing a difference of opinion? Conservatives think liberals are idiots and would be happy to have them go somewhere else, but the reverse is certainly not true. Liberals want to enforce their conformity on everyone and recoil at the thought of allowing others to follow a different path.

Is this due to an underlying totalitarian streak that are present in most "progressive" policies, or is it a fear of competition from other ideas? As an out-of-state conservative I had no problems with Romneycare in Massachusetts (as long as I didn't have to pay for it). So why is it you liberals are so opposed to school vouchers in states where you don't live? Why must every policy be dictated by the federal government?

What are you afraid of?

Say California wants to secede from the union then does.

Then, San Diego wants to secede from California.

Then, Riverside County wants to secede from California

Then, Southern California wants to secede and does

Los Angeles wants to secede and does

Then, San Francisco secedes

Then the Crips in South Central want to secede

Do you understand that they all have the right according to your thinking and how hurtful a move like this would be to the country and its fellow citizens?

 

[Votto]

Isn't secession the ultimate expression of self-determination? Why are those on the Left so opposed to allowing a difference of opinion? Conservatives think liberals are idiots and would be happy to have them go somewhere else, but the reverse is certainly not true. Liberals want to enforce their conformity on everyone and recoil at the thought of allowing others to follow a different path.

Is this due to an underlying totalitarian streak that are present in most "progressive" policies, or is it a fear of competition from other ideas? As an out-of-state conservative I had no problems with Romneycare in Massachusetts (as long as I didn't have to pay for it). So why is it you liberals are so opposed to school vouchers in states where you don't live? Why must every policy be dictated by the federal government?

What are you afraid of?

If you want one state to leave then you will eventually have another, and another, and another.

Freedom of choice, especially economic freedom, is their greatest adversary.

Socialism only works when there are no alternatives, but even then it only works for a short time.

 

[jwoodie]

Secession is illegal!

Missing the point once again? Why SHOULD secession be illegal? Why do YOU want the federal government to decide which policies must be followed by EVERY state? What are YOU afraid of?

 

[Derideo_Te]

Secession is illegal!

Missing the point once again? Why SHOULD secession be illegal? Why do YOU want the federal government to decide which policies must be followed by EVERY state? What are YOU afraid of?

You are the one who is afraid of the federal government so kindly refrain from projecting your shortcomings on others.

 

[DarkFury]

Isn't secession the ultimate expression of self-determination? Why are those on the Left so opposed to allowing a difference of opinion? Conservatives think liberals are idiots and would be happy to have them go somewhere else, but the reverse is certainly not true. Liberals want to enforce their conformity on everyone and recoil at the thought of allowing others to follow a different path.

Is this due to an underlying totalitarian streak that are present in most "progressive" policies, or is it a fear of competition from other ideas? As an out-of-state conservative I had no problems with Romneycare in Massachusetts (as long as I didn't have to pay for it). So why is it you liberals are so opposed to school vouchers in states where you don't live? Why must every policy be dictated by the federal government?

What are you afraid of?

Say California wants to secede from the union then does.

Then, San Diego wants to secede from California.

Then, Riverside County wants to secede from California

Then, Southern California wants to secede and does

Los Angeles wants to secede and does

Then, San Francisco secedes

Then the Crips in South Central want to secede

Do you understand that they all have the right according to your thinking and how hurtful a move like this would be to the country and its fellow citizens?

One you don't know history. Check into the "birth" of West Virginia. And then there is the current.
51st State Two counties in California seek to form new Jefferson State RT USA

 

[koshergrl]

The left turns their stomping grounds into shitholes...they don't want us to secede because our lands are the places they go to get away from the nightmare they've created around themselves.

 

[koshergrl]

Plus..we feed them. If they didn't have unrestricted access to our resources, they'd start starving.

 

[jwoodie]

You are the one who is afraid of the federal government so kindly refrain from projecting your shortcomings on others.

And you are the one who is evading the salient points of this conversation.

 

[koshergrl]

Only a complete idiot is not afraid of federal government.

 

[DarkFury]

Secession is illegal!

Missing the point once again? Why SHOULD secession be illegal? Why do YOU want the federal government to decide which policies must be followed by EVERY state? What are YOU afraid of?

All states were designed to be SELF guided. This...

1. Establishes the name of the confederation with these words: "The style of this confederacy shall be 'The United States of America.'"
2. Asserts the sovereignty of each state, except for the specific powers delegated to the confederation government, i.e. "Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated."
3. Not being sovereign, it does not call the United States of America a "nation" or "government," but instead says, "The said States hereby severally enter into a firm league of friendship with each other, for their common defense, the security of their liberties, and their mutual and general welfare, binding themselves to assist each other, against all force offered to, or attacks made upon them, or any of them, on account of religion, sovereignty, trade, or any other pretense whatever."
4. But to instill a national feeling, "[t]he better to secure and perpetuate mutual friendship and intercourse among the people of the different States in this union," it establishes equal treatment and freedom of movement for the free inhabitants of each state to pass unhindered between the states, excluding "paupers, vagabonds, and fugitives from justice." All these people are entitled to equal rights established by the state into which he travels. If a crime is committed in one state and the perpetrator flees to another state, he will be extradited to and tried in the state in which the crime was committed.
5. Allocates one vote in the Congress of the Confederation (the "United States in Congress Assembled") to each state, which is entitled to a delegation of between two and seven members. Members of Congress are appointed by state legislatures. Also, individuals may not serve more than three out of any six years.
6. Only the central government is allowed to conduct foreign political or commercial relations and to declare war. No state or official may accept foreign gifts or titles, and granting any title of nobility is forbidden to all. States are restrained from forming sub-national groups. No state may tax or interfere with treaty stipulations already proposed. No state may engage in war, without permission of Congress, unless invaded or that is imminent on the frontier; no state may maintain a peace-time standing army or navy, unless infested by pirates, but every State is required to keep ready, a well-regulated, disciplined, and equipped militia, with sufficient public stores of a due number of field pieces, tents, a proper quantity of arms, ammunition and camp equipage.
7. Whenever an army is raised for common defense, colonels and military ranks below colonel will be named by the state legislatures.
8. Expenditures by the United States of America will be paid by funds raised by state legislatures, and apportioned to the states based on the real property values of each.
9. Defines the sole and exclusive right and power of the United States in Congress assembled to determine peace and war; to exchange ambassadors; to enter into treaties and alliances, with some provisos; to establish rules for deciding all cases of captures or prizes on land or water; to grant letters of marque and reprisal (documents authorizing privateers) in times of peace; to appoint courts for the trial of pirates and crimes committed on the high seas; to establish courts for appeals in all cases of captures, but no member of Congress may be appointed a judge; to set weights and measures (including coins), and for Congress to serve as a final court for disputes between states.
10. "The Committee of the States, or any nine of them, shall be authorized to execute, in the recess of Congress, such of the powers of Congress as the United States in Congress assembled, by the consent of the nine States, shall from time to time think expedient to vest them with; provided that no power be delegated to the said Committee, for the exercise of which, by the Articles of Confederation, the voice of nine States in the Congress of the United States assembled be requisite."
11. If "Canada" (as the British-held Province of Quebec was also known) accedes to this confederation, it will be admitted.[15]
12. Reaffirms that the Confederation accepts war debt incurred by Congress before the existence of the Articles.
13. Declares that the Articles are perpetual, and can only be altered by approval of Congress with ratification by all the state legislatures.

From here......
Articles of Confederation - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Two Thumbs]

Isn't secession the ultimate expression of self-determination? Why are those on the Left so opposed to allowing a difference of opinion? Conservatives think liberals are idiots and would be happy to have them go somewhere else, but the reverse is certainly not true. Liberals want to enforce their conformity on everyone and recoil at the thought of allowing others to follow a different path.

Is this due to an underlying totalitarian streak that are present in most "progressive" policies, or is it a fear of competition from other ideas? As an out-of-state conservative I had no problems with Romneycare in Massachusetts (as long as I didn't have to pay for it). So why is it you liberals are so opposed to school vouchers in states where you don't live? Why must every policy be dictated by the federal government?

What are you afraid of?

they aren't truly against secession, they fully support creating more states.

look up Baja AZ, the leftist pussies can't get their way so they want to make another state.

 

[nuhuh]

Isn't secession the ultimate expression of self-determination? Why are those on the Left so opposed to allowing a difference of opinion? Conservatives think liberals are idiots and would be happy to have them go somewhere else, but the reverse is certainly not true. Liberals want to enforce their conformity on everyone and recoil at the thought of allowing others to follow a different path.

Is this due to an underlying totalitarian streak that are present in most "progressive" policies, or is it a fear of competition from other ideas? As an out-of-state conservative I had no problems with Romneycare in Massachusetts (as long as I didn't have to pay for it). So why is it you liberals are so opposed to school vouchers in states where you don't live? Why must every policy be dictated by the federal government?

What are you afraid of?

Say California wants to secede from the union then does.

Then, San Diego wants to secede from California.

Then, Riverside County wants to secede from California

Then, Southern California wants to secede and does

Los Angeles wants to secede and does

Then, San Francisco secedes

Then the Crips in South Central want to secede

Do you understand that they all have the right according to your thinking and how hurtful a move like this would be to the country and its fellow citizens?

One you don't know history. Check into the "birth" of West Virginia. And then there is the current.
51st State Two counties in California seek to form new Jefferson State RT USA

The two counties in California are going nowhere. You can live in your Mad Max world if you want as far as I'm concerned it will be a good lesson for you.

 

[DarkFury]

Isn't secession the ultimate expression of self-determination? Why are those on the Left so opposed to allowing a difference of opinion? Conservatives think liberals are idiots and would be happy to have them go somewhere else, but the reverse is certainly not true. Liberals want to enforce their conformity on everyone and recoil at the thought of allowing others to follow a different path.

Is this due to an underlying totalitarian streak that are present in most "progressive" policies, or is it a fear of competition from other ideas? As an out-of-state conservative I had no problems with Romneycare in Massachusetts (as long as I didn't have to pay for it). So why is it you liberals are so opposed to school vouchers in states where you don't live? Why must every policy be dictated by the federal government?

What are you afraid of?

Say California wants to secede from the union then does.

Then, San Diego wants to secede from California.

Then, Riverside County wants to secede from California

Then, Southern California wants to secede and does

Los Angeles wants to secede and does

Then, San Francisco secedes

Then the Crips in South Central want to secede

Do you understand that they all have the right according to your thinking and how hurtful a move like this would be to the country and its fellow citizens?

One you don't know history. Check into the "birth" of West Virginia. And then there is the current.
51st State Two counties in California seek to form new Jefferson State RT USA

The two counties in California are going nowhere. You can live in your Mad Max world if you want as far as I'm concerned it will be a good lesson for you.

They have the right to do what West Virginia did.

 

[g5000]

Secession was anathema to James Madison and Thomas Jefferson.

Are James Madison and Thomas Jefferson leftists?

Didn't think so.

OP is built on a false premise.

 

[jwoodie]

Back to the OP:

So why is it you liberals are so opposed to school vouchers in states where you don't live? Why must every policy be dictated by the federal government?

Try to focus. I know it's hard for you.

 

[nuhuh]

Isn't secession the ultimate expression of self-determination? Why are those on the Left so opposed to allowing a difference of opinion? Conservatives think liberals are idiots and would be happy to have them go somewhere else, but the reverse is certainly not true. Liberals want to enforce their conformity on everyone and recoil at the thought of allowing others to follow a different path.

Is this due to an underlying totalitarian streak that are present in most "progressive" policies, or is it a fear of competition from other ideas? As an out-of-state conservative I had no problems with Romneycare in Massachusetts (as long as I didn't have to pay for it). So why is it you liberals are so opposed to school vouchers in states where you don't live? Why must every policy be dictated by the federal government?

What are you afraid of?

Say California wants to secede from the union then does.

Then, San Diego wants to secede from California.

Then, Riverside County wants to secede from California

Then, Southern California wants to secede and does

Los Angeles wants to secede and does

Then, San Francisco secedes

Then the Crips in South Central want to secede

Do you understand that they all have the right according to your thinking and how hurtful a move like this would be to the country and its fellow citizens?

One you don't know history. Check into the "birth" of West Virginia. And then there is the current.
51st State Two counties in California seek to form new Jefferson State RT USA

The two counties in California are going nowhere. You can live in your Mad Max world if you want as far as I'm concerned it will be a good lesson for you.

They have the right to do what West Virginia did.

As we have said and sourced before, the Supreme Court has said no you do not have the right to secede.

 

[Locke11_21]

Isn't secession the ultimate expression of self-determination? Why are those on the Left so opposed to allowing a difference of opinion? Conservatives think liberals are idiots and would be happy to have them go somewhere else, but the reverse is certainly not true. Liberals want to enforce their conformity on everyone and recoil at the thought of allowing others to follow a different path.

Is this due to an underlying totalitarian streak that are present in most "progressive" policies, or is it a fear of competition from other ideas? As an out-of-state conservative I had no problems with Romneycare in Massachusetts (as long as I didn't have to pay for it). So why is it you liberals are so opposed to school vouchers in states where you don't live? Why must every policy be dictated by the federal government?

What are you afraid of?

Leftism = neo-fascism.